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  1. I did attend a State college and could tell you some horror stories myself, but as I was slightly older and was very proactive as I was determined to do well it turned out ok.

    I found in state school the completely wrong type of people are held in esteem. I think this is more of a culture issue though which is brought about through poor parenting. My cousin was a school teacher and once she got pregnat ran straight to Oz as she said she could not send them to school over here.

    I think on working class estates young children see the drug dealer in the flash car, or someone signing on and doing a few dody deals on the side, and these are the role models they have. This looks a far better option than the post man or stacking shelves in Iceland, they don't know there is other options as they do not see them. I know from experiance.

    The point is, a few people can beat the system - like you appear to have done

    but this does not seem a good reason to defend the status quo.

    Personally what I object to most is people with VI's defending a system which is demonstrably unfit for purpose.

    Anyway - I have probably done everyones head in now trying to work through my own PTSD

    so I am going to call it a day on this topic.

    :)

  2. My Dad did my English Literature coursework in 1988 as he likes Shakespeare.

    There was no exam. His work got me a B.

    Wake up!

    Degree courses have had a coursework element for donkeys. GCSEs have had one since their inception.

    If you have money, you can go here and pay someone (often an out of work post-grad) to write your essay for you: http://coolessay.com

    Next you are going to lose your job ans start posting about what a hard time people get at the job centre. :lol:

    I did '0' level English coursework in the 1970's - completely unaided and got a Grade A

    but it was the only subject that did have any coursework.

    TBH I think you are just proving my point.

    :)

  3. I really am not trolling I failed first time round at my GCSEs in a state school, so I am a perfect example to back what you are saying. It was only a few years after I left and saw the lack of opportunities that I realised I had to do something.

    Well ok.

    The difference now is coursework.

    Coursework can get a grade B student up to an A or drag a grade B student down to a C

    and everyone in the system knows this.

    A private school will do a practice lab right before the test which virtually replicates the test

    A state college won't even give the kids the right equipment or in date chemicals

    In my experience.

    :)

  4. They are allocated on the basis on what you appear to be after your parents input, but you appear to take pride in the tiger eating their young approach with your benign neglect

    They did on their own and all that bull

    The 'beauty' of the system is that no one who manages to beat the system can say how they beat the system.

    Think about it.

    :)

  5. You do believe in the system don't you .....

    I believe that some sort of system is inevitable

    but it's patently obvious that the one we have at the moment is failing the majority of people the majority of the time.

    The people defending it can only be doing so because they have a vested interest in its survival.

    They are wasting their time because it is falling apart before our eyes

    and at an ever increasing pace.

    :blink:

  6. Lack of effort can be the only reason. Anyone with average intelligence provided they put enough work in is capable of As at A level. At least in the ones I studied(maths,chemistry,biology).

    Bullsh*t

    And that's why so many kids feel failures - because when they get poor results their parents blame the kids

    because otherwise their parents would have to consider the possibility that they failed them by sending them to a cr*p state college

    and then leaving them to their own devices.

    Anyway - as Mrs GameOver is now insisting that you are Trolling I am going to call it a day.

    :)

  7. I virtually taught myself A level maths and got an A. Have a look at this website it is very good. www.examsolutions.com

    Have a look at the past papers. You already know what questions you are going to get asked, all they do is change the numbers.

    Very few people are intellectually capable of getting an A level in Maths - let alone a grade A

    You did well.

    As did my children - but the statistics show they are the exception.

    At my sons Uni the number of kids who aren't either rich foreigners and therefore paying or privately educated is tiny.

    :blink:

  8. Wake up mate! This has been going on since when I was at school in the 80s! We had people in our (state) school getting tuition from private tutors and some had home computers that were compatible with the school kit, whereas the rest of us shared one computer between 4 in a computer studies lesson.

    Your anecdote about the lab test... why didn't your kid or anyone else spot that they had the wrong equipment?

    YOU need to start taking some responsibility for your child's education. Although by the sounds of it it's a bit late.

    My two sons are both at Russell group Uni's doing Masters degrees - the oldest has been offered a PHD

    My daughter is Dyslexic but is very good at Maths and is studying for professional accountancy qualifications at a blue chip company.

    The fact that they beat the system doesn't mean that it is fit for purpose - or that I wasn't scarred for life by the experience.

    The thread is about young people not being able to cope with life

    well the fact that they either feel failures due to no fault of their own

    or have worked for years for valuable qualifications that only get them a job flipping burgers

    can't be helping - can it?

    :blink:

  9. or it can be a way of designing your systems for the average user, not the freakish outlier. I mean, you aren't advocating that schools should be built around the idea of solely catering to the dumbest amongst us, so why would the freakishly intelligent get special treatment?

    If they are so smart, they'll be fine.

    Sadly most smart kids aren't fine anymore.

    You can't get top marks with out of date chemicals or missing equipment

    and you can't compete with coursework written by top class public school teachers

    unless of course your parents buy you in date chemicals or are capable of writing your coursework for you.

    95% of kids at Uni now got there by cheating - either their parents paid someone to give their kids an unfair advantage or they gave them an unfair advantage themselves.

    For example, one or two kids at my kids college got straight A's - but their parents had degrees in the relevant subjects.

    I don't have a degree but my kids are geniuses (take after their Mother) and fall in the 5% who got there entirely unaided and on merit.

    :blink:

  10. or it can be a way of designing your systems for the average user, not the freakish outlier. I mean, you aren't advocating that schools should be built around the idea of solely catering to the dumbest amongst us, so why would the freakishly intelligent get special treatment?

    If they are so smart, they'll be fine.

    An ideal school system would maximise each individuals potential

    this would represent equality of OPPORTUNITY.

    Socialism, however, demands equality of outcome - which of course is impossible - as we are all individuals - not robots.

    The only way of achieving equality of outcome is to give EVERYONE the same meaningless dumbed down qualification

    This gives the illusion of equality and the illusion that the state system can educate our kids

    Whereas the reality is, the current state education system is failing the vast majority of our kids.

    :blink:

  11. You stated a few posts ago that it was possible under Thatcher.

    So is it the state or is it a particular type of government?

    It's a particular ideology

    Prizes for all is just a way of burying the brightest in a sea of mediocrity.

    Here's a question for you - individual private schools send more pupils to Oxbridge than whole cities

    so are these people vastly more intelligent than the working classes

    or is the state education system failing bright working class kids?

    Because it's either one or the other.

    :)

  12. It's not a matter of whether you imagined it or not, clearly you had huge problems with the education system.

    However, others may have positive experiences and just because they did it doesn't make them socialists - come on, do I really need to point this out?

    Threads about education and the NHS are always going to end up as battle of the anecdotes, but personal anecdotes obviously don't 'prove' anything.

    Sorry but most people are in denial - same with the NHS.

    They send their kids off to school wanting to believe that they can leave the state to provide their kids with a good education.

    Well - it can't.

    The state is incapable of educating your kids - or keeping you in good health - or looking after you in your old age.

    This then begs the question - what are we actually getting for our money

    and the answer is - very little.

    Try finding the stats for how many kids who got free school meals end up at Oxbridge

    You stand more chance of being struck by lightning

    :)

  13. Yes, of course it is.

    The top statists get what they want - they get to identify the "morally flexible" who can navigate their system while at the same time dumbing down the level of teaching for the majority. Win/win.

    There are only so many top jobs

    and once the kids of the elite are allocated their share

    there are very few left for anyone else.

    If you then cream off the brightest working class kids and give them these jobs it achieves two purposes

    prevents them from leading the masses in revolt

    and these people clear up all the **** ups made by the kids of the elite.

    None of this is rocket science

    Its been going on for hundreds of years.

    :blink:

  14. There is no reason why anyone who wants to can't get As at A level. They ask almost the exact same questions year after year and give open access to all the past papers. Passing exams is easy if you know the questions before you get there.

    Teachers know this and teach to pass the exam instead of giving people a full understanding of the subjects. I do not blame the teachers as it must be tough with 30+ kids ata time.

    For once I agree with Injin

    this is utter Bullsh*t

    sorry - but it really is.

    :(

  15. I went to a State comprehensive in a less than salubrious area of Harlow in Essex and came away with 9 GCSEs at C or above (I think) and then to Harlow Tertiary College to do A Levels. The standard of teaching was so very poor at college I actually stopped going to the lessons. I was learning almost nothing. I was hauled in with my father at one point to explain myself and did so. And passed anyway in spite of them.

    Personally I don't think you learn an awful lot by just having stuff dictated to you, you learn by engaging with the subject and asking questions. Class sizes even back then don't permit enough time for that, though some, I'd say, most of the teachers were very, very good and managed to inspire me.

    They didn't inspire everyone though, some were lost causes not really because the children were thick, in retrospect I think far from it, but because their parents didn't teach them right from wrong, manners, discipline, the value of education and so on.

    Unless we had class sizes of maybe 5 or 10 I can't see how the teachers can even attempt to "fix" the issues with parenting. Some kids really need a lot of special attention.

    There's also - and I speak from personal experience - a tendency, in a group, for the bright ones not to want to stick their head "above the parapet" ("Miss, can I read aloud today") because that then marks you out as different and therefore ripe for, er, attention.

    Has the language barrier been raised as a problem in this thread yet.. wasn't the case when I was at school, but I imagine if you have even a few kids in a class who can't speak good English by comprehensive stage, that's either going to abandon them or drag everyone else down if they take up more teacher time.

    The school did run "extension classes" for some students, of which I was one, recognising some could be nurtured a little more though in hindsight I wonder if this was the good teachers doing this themselves as opposed to anything "curricular".

    The option for wealthy parents to have their kids privately educated has always been there, and while it seems unfair on the face of it that some can get special treatment just depending on who they were born to, personally, I can't see that it could be different or that the State system will ever rival 1-to-1 or maybe 1-to-5 private education.

    Blair seemed to have the right idea with the "education, education, education" mantra but on the face of it not a great deal seems to have changed other than that A Levels seem to be given away now and the grade doesn't seem meaningful. But then I'd have thought that was because the government wants as many people as possible to buy the product called "university education" and so it's in their interest that the option is open to as many as possible.

    We are either preaching to the converted or banging our heads against a brick wall here :)

    Apparently anyone can get A's at A level

    Well all my kids all did A level Maths and I would like to see the Socialists - for want of a better word - here

    pluck ten random kids off the street and get them an A grade A level in Maths.

    Unfortunately if my kids did not attend all their lessons this cost them 30 quid a week EMA + bonuses.

    I say unfortunately because a huge part of the time they spent at college actually detracted from the time they could spend learning anything which was mostly at home with hundreds of pounds of revision guides with me sat helping and keeping them company - usually arguing with bloody teachers on my laptop - on this site at the same time.

    Even so - at exam time we chose to lose the 30 quid and my kids skipped lessons and revised at home instead

    because this dramatically improved their chances of doing well.

    On the other hand - I probably imagined all this - because everyone knows we have the best public services in the World.

    :blink:

  16. Nope, was destroyed waaaay back in 1929, this is just the past coming to fruition.

    Nope, never been true and certainly not then.

    It's actually designed to discard normal people and find sociopaths and the incredibly morally flexible to rule the normal. The whole pint of the state education system is NOT to teach anything - it's to split people up into relative categories (to their own cohort) that is - an "A" grade should only have so many, a "B" only so many and so on. The actual quality of the exams is irrelevent to this process.

    There is a sound basis for not splitting people into categorical once and for all categories and it's this -

    Most people can do most things, if you let them and they want to.

    You just can't resist me ;)

    And - no they can't

    most people can do at least something well - very few people can do everything well

    :)

  17. The world has changed, it is now no longer what you are and what you know without the need of a certificate/medal it is what you managed to get with privilege, where you got it and how much you can exploit it......if I were to employ someone it would not be with a tick the box triple A memory test it would be with a common sense practical test.....pass that and you are in business. ;)

    Nu Labour destroyed social mobility in this country

    In the Thatcher years any working class kid with brains and ambition could make it

    Now the whole system is designed to elevate thick middle class kids at the expense of exceptional working class kids.

    Course work will elevate a B grade student in a private school to an A grade student - because the school does it for them - FACT

    In a state school it will drag a B grade student down to a C because the kids are left to sink.

    And everyone in the system knows this.

    My sons teaching for one of his pieces of English coursework was 3 unsupervised lessons watching a Shrek video over and over again.

    I could fill a book with this kind of anecdote - but the stress of writing it would kill me.

    :blink:

  18. Then you don't mean income of the masses, you mean what they spend. And you also think that spending means demand in the economy, which is true I guess if you consider spending to be the only useful use of money. However money in the bank is also being used, just not in as obvious a way than if you spent it on hotdogs. It is still in the economy.

    Will the person on benefits spend my 50 quid better than I would? And by better here I mean in terms of what is of benefit to society. I would argue it moves 'demand' in the economy towards essentials rather then luxuries. Is that a better thing? It is if you own a supermarket but not if you sell cars. Which is 'better'? Do you want to live in a town with nothing but pound shops? And this is quite apart from the obvious impact on the person who earnt the 50 quid in the first place wondering why they bothered if they then have to give it away.

    And it is actually true that if I earn more than I need that I won't spend it all anyway? The impact in terms of whining of the loss of a seemingly trivial benefit like child credit or whatever that is suggests people tend to spend all of what they earn. As does plenty of other examples like stupid house prices.

    I don't believe you create demand in the economy by making one group of people give some money to another group of people in exchange for nothing. You make us all worse off.

    +1

    Well this is the point isn't it.

    The democrat politician who claimed that increasing unemployment benefit saved jobs is another example of left wing fantasy economics.

    If the state takes 50 quid in tax off someone - then gives it to someone else - it doesn't increase demand at all.

    What it does do is reduce peoples incentive to generate wealth

    and increase peoples incentive to live on welfare

    the net result of which is state bankruptcy

    which is what the US is staring in the face now as a result of these crackpot economic and social policies

    :)

  19. To be fair, both your examples are of the administration and marking of exams, presumably in one school or at least one exam board? It seems unfair to paint the entire education system with the same brush.

    Given that your sons got the results that they did, surely their actual education in the decade or so up to that point can't have been that bad?

    I used to tell a relative these stories and they were not interested.

    They subsequently decided to go into teaching.

    They have now left teaching after being completely unable to cope with the unfairness and chaos.

    Had they listened to me in the first place they could have saved themselves three years of blood, sweat and tears.

    :blink:

  20. I remember you whinging about this before and I was fortunate to have a look at the Physics ISAs you talk about - they are very very easy -whole cohorts of students were scoring very highly so tbh it doesn't say very much about your son's ability in A level Physics. The practical part of the ISA is not worth very many marks. Perhaps if you are such an expert in such matters you can actually do something about it rather than producing trite one dimensionals posts on HPC. :blink:

    It isn't easy if you are given the wrong equipment.

    And some students lost their first choice university places as a result of this.

    The two examples I have given are just two of literally dozens I could quote - these are not even the worst.

    I gave the examples to back up my point about the state education system failing pupils - when someone stated they would be really interested in details of how the system fails pupils.

    But as I said - no one wants to believe these stories.

    My kids all did well because of the thousands of hours they spent working and studying at home.

    This should not have been necessary - because they are all exceptionally bright

    but if they hadn't have done this they would have failed.

    The reason I keep whingeing on about it is because I am still scarred by the experience and I feel sorry for the parents and children who were chewed up and spat out by the system - which is an utter disgrace.

    As to doing anything about it, just getting my own kids through was a nightmare - I really can't be responsible for what happens to anyone else's children.

    All I can do is wish people luck.

    :blink:

  21. Inflation and relatively strong employment are also a result of the real economy actually growing excluding North Sea energy and Banking since 2007.

    There was never a danger of deflation with the real economy holding up, and stimulus was always going to overshoot the CPI target by over 50%. Policy has been all about propping up the banks and the housing market.

    If you take out increased Government spending and debt

    and increased personal debt

    I doubt the 'real' economy has grown for decades

    However, you don't need growth to get inflation

    hence the term Stagflation.

    You can generate inflation at any time in any economy simply by printing money

    demand has absolutely stuff all to do with it

    IMHO

    :blink:

  22. I would be really interested on your views as to what specifically in the education system is ruining kids' life chances.

    Another example - my sons A level Physics final mark included a lab session.

    When he went to get his results he just missed out on an A grade overall because he was given a U for the lab session.

    When we queried this, all the other students with the odd exception also got a U for this lab session.

    After talking to my son, he said that no one could do it, but that the girl next to him just made up some results so got a pass mark.

    I tried to pursue this at the time, but all the relevant staff went off sick.

    As my son needed AAB for his first choice Uni place and he got A's in his other 2 subjects I gave up at that point - but another member of staff told me that some students had lost their Uni places as a result of this.

    After talking to my son later, it turns out someones unqualified wife had been paid to invigilate the session and had not realised that the students had been given the wrong equipment to perform the experiment.

    Whether anyone who lost their first choice Uni places as a result of this ever got any redress for this I don't know

    But I doubt they could have.

    :blink:

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