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  1. yeah right..... it was progressive policies that cut taxes on the wealthy, cut taxes on capital that hindered speculation, and redistributed wealth upwards, that the wealthy and banker elites then used in an orgy of speculation on the stock market in the roaring 20's....

    Well guess what, we did exactly the same over the last 30 years via Reaganism and Thatcherite policies, and it's led us into exactly the same mess.....

    Progressive policies my ****.....

    Yeah Right......

    It was huge Government deficit spending funded by higher taxes and the largest policy driven credit boom in history during the Labour years that led us into this mess.

    And now the left wing solution is even more deficit spending, even higher taxes and even more cheap credit.


    I am thinking of starting my own party - the 'Jam tommorrow Party'

    My policy is to promise every voter in the country 1 million pounds in 5 years.

    When I inevitably get elected I will use my time in office to line my own pockets.

    Then when everything goes t*ts up and the Conservatives get back in and tell everyone they can't have their million pounds each

    I will tell everyone that this is because the Evil Tories Bankster buddies in the City stole all the money.

    Then I will get elected again.



  2. LOL! You think the "UK and US" works? Who's "we"? I never told them anything.

    We copied the European Big State Social Welfare model - so we are as screwed as they are

    The difference is - we have realised the system is bankrupt and are trying to extricate ourselves

    they seem to think the answer is ramming the iceberg at maximum speed in the hope of sinking it.


  3. The ECB is in charge of the printing press, and guess what, it is headed by an Italian. They noticed that UK and USA have very low bond yields, mainly as a result of printing. They had a choice of Eurozone break up or printy printy, and we know what the central banker chose.

    However, there is less risk of serious inflation, as there does seem to be political will to control the debts and deficits, unlike UK and USA.

    Sorry - but this has to be the most hilarious response I have ever got.

    Germany controls the printing presses.


  4. The government have become the spenders of last result.

    If the savers wont spend then the government has to take over their job.

    Some body some where must spend or we will stay in a rescission for ever. Or do you think it's good when all these company’s call in the receivers and thousands of people lose their job?

    The reason ordinary people have nothing left to spend is because the Government now takes every spare penny they have.

    Basically you are just arguing for a Communist state

    and history shows how that always ends.


  5. Who's we told them it would never work,you,UKIP??

    Not when,if EU goes pop what makes you think people will relocate here,if EU goes pop,so does the UK,the EU is UK's largest market.

    Your analogy is far too simplistic,why are there Greeks still in Greece,Poles still in Poland,Spanish still in Spain,etc,why are'nt they all in the UK?

    Read on other posts hysteria that 29 million Romanians & Bulgarians are preparing to invade the UK,laughable!

    Incidentally the blame game ,it has been the UK blaming Europe for the dire state of our economy,not the other way round.

    My analysis is based on 500 years of European history

    not sure what your analysis is based on.

    Oh and we were told, was it 13000 Poles would come here and well over 500,000 actually came.


  6. More Boll*cks.

    The difference is the UK can reduce its debts by inflation

    The Eurozone can't because Germany is owed all the money and they control the printing presses.

    And when the EU goes pop people will be flocking here in even greater numbers than they are now

    which is going to cause us enormous problems.

    At the end of the day we are screwed but they are even more screwed and they know it.

    In reality everyone now knows the game is up - apart from the usual suspects here of course.

    We are now well into the blame game phase and the only issue is can France and Germany foist the blame for the failure of the Euro onto the UK and US.

    We told them it would never work and we have been proved right again and they hate us for it and are desperate to off load the blame.


  7. Well, food is hardly free from government interference. In fact, if it wasnt for subsidies, most farmers would pack it in and we would very soon not have very cheap food at all.

    But to answer your question - a public service is one where no competition is possible. The trains are a good example, as are utility companies. In the former case you have no choice which 06:17 from Snodwaddleshampton to Leamington Spar you will be taking because there is only one provider on that line. In the latter, different companies can offer you different tariffs but its the same utility being delivered, just packaged up in a way to make you think you might temporarily be getting a better deal.

    Mobile phones OTOH are a good example of something that should be privately owned. Different companies supplying different services at different rates using different infrastructure competing against each other successfully. And its brilliant.

    The problems arrive when neo-Thatcherites try and engineer a competitive market where no such market could possibly exist.

    Railways were invented by the private sector and are in competition with other forms of transport - such as air travel again privately invented and owned.

    Power generation can also be open to competition, problem is, same as with banking - state regulation has failed.

    How exactly did the human race survive and make any progress before the state arrived to provide all the things we couldn't provide for ourselves?

    BTW I believe in a mixed economy, but once the state gets beyond a certain size economic failure is guaranteed.


  8. So, according to your view, there's an infinite amount of the stuff in the ground?

    Why aren't we sucking it up instead of screwing around with shale and fracking, then?

    Argh, let me guess, it's all for show and it's all a conspiracy led by big oil cartels to jack up the price when they've got thousands of trillions of barrels just sitting around in a reserve somewhere?

    That might be the case with diamonds and such, but I'm pretty sure we really are running out of oil.

    When did we hit?

    peak flint

    peak wood

    peak coal

    And what happened?

    The amount of energy in the universe is to all intents and purposes infinite.

    And if we were going to run out of fossil fuels before we came up with an alternative

    why did they have to invent Global Warming??????????


  9. My son in law had a bad NHS experience after a wisdom tooth extraction.

    Basically, they told him if he had any trouble to call them.

    He did.

    They said that excrutiating pain is normal and did not offer any help at all. B***********

    Cannot forgive that.

    However, when he needed the second one removed, I called our local private hospital.

    What I wanted was that if he was in pain, he should be admitted overnight and given morphine.

    They could not do that because,

    a. They do not have a Dentist.

    b. They are MSRA free and do not want someone coming in from a NHS Hospital.

    So much for private medicine.

    Well if they didn't have a dentist they couldn't do it.

    We are entitled to free NHS dental treatment but when the cap on my wife's front tooth came off because the root had split we paid 2K for her to have a dental implant becuase these are not available on the NHS.

    The private dentist we chose was excellent and it has been the best 2k we ever spent as she had suffered years of abscesses prior to the treatment.

    My wifes father had the same problem and had a bridge fitted by my wifes NHS dentist - this then broke and he ended up losing 3 front teeth and having to have a denture fitted which he hates.

    The irony is, all his treatment cost the NHS more than the cost of my wifes implant so the taxpayer ended up spending more money to ruin my father-in-laws teeth.


    Edited for clarity - my wife and her father both have the same NHS dentist.

  10. Quite happy to question the role and extent of the state.

    However, I'm not particularly fond of those who take an extreme and very dogmatic stance on the issue, and the fact that anti-state arguments are used nowadays to justify expanding the role of private corporations in providing public services using taxpayer cash.

    Well this just clearly defines your stance - which is equally dogmatic.

    Why shouldn't 'private corporations' provide 'public services' ?

    And who defines what constitutes a public service?

    As an example - food is essential to life and yet we entrust private individuals and corporations to provide all our food.

    As a result we probably have the most efficient and cost effective food industry in the World

    funded by 'tax payers' choosing to hand over their own money to which ever private corporation they think provides them with the most choice and value.

    Clothing is another essential to life and again private corporations manage to provide a vast choice of incredibly cheap clothing.

    Perhaps we should nationalise the clothing industry?

    If this happened you would probably have to wait 8 weeks to get a poor quality beige T shirt which would cost a months wages.


  11. Started just after 'outsourcing' of PRIVATE contract non-cleeners - funny that! Duhh

    And what is the rate of hospital acquired infections in the US then?

    Hospital acquired infections has nothing to do with private contracts

    It is entirely due to that which we are not allowed to mention.


  12. Taking stuff that does not belong to you.

    It is the states default position and it stops everyone else from doing it. If there was no law and order taking whatever you could get away with would be the default position.

    Without a state there would be no such thing as property rights.

    In nature, property rights can simply be defined as 'the survival of the fittest.


  13. No your wrong and he is correct. The NHS is easily affordable currently. We as a nation spend significantly less of our gdp on healthcare than pretty much every other major developed world nation. That said it will not be affordable in the long run due to an aging population. But that is true irrespective of whether it is private or public run. Indeed it will likely be more unaffordable faster if it were privately run as private healthcare systems are typically much more costly for the same level of outcomes.



    He/she said it was unaffordable due to bank bail outs

    What I was pointing out is that the banks were bailed out with magic money

    so whether or not the NHS is affordable has nothing to do with bank bail outs.


  14. How does your propagandist crappola explain this then >


    "On being able to access the West, one of the first things the Russian 'mafia' did was invest in US Healthcare..."

    "The problem with Healthcare in the USA is that it is run by lawyers, not doctors."

    "Hospitals are so (rightly) concerned with being sued, that if you go to the doctor with a sore head, instead of asking if you've been partying for the last 48hours and suffering from a hangover, they run 40 blood tests, order a cat scan and present you with a bill for $4800.00

    Isn't it time we shut down the Ambulance chasers and then doctors could start prescribing the most cost efficient and effective medical treatment instead of embarking on the 10 times more expensive damage control excercises they are currently required to do to prove they weren't negligent when the lawyers come a knockin?"

    They will bankrupt hundreds of thousands of you in the UK and have your house off you

    - well before retirement after they kill and carve up the NHS!

    Yes - bloody Americans

    If you go into an NHS hospital to have an ingrowing toenail removed and die of a hospital acquired infection

    A sincere apology from the NHS Trust should be perfectly adequate compensation.


  15. There seems to be some confusion between 'socialism' and 'the State doing some stuff'.

    The limits of that 'stuff' is quite up for debate but labelling anything not managed by private enterprise 'socialist' is simplistic in the extreme.

    But for the sake of the debate was the banking crisis caused by too much regulation by the State?

    No, the banks did the misallocation bit as well as any socialist could ever dream of.

    There will always be a state of some kind

    the question is how large should it be and what functions should it perform.

    Free healthcare, education, housing and money for food sounds like Socialism to me.

    If it isn't Socialism what is it?

    It's a million miles from any kind of free market Capitalism.


  16. Real info

    Socialist Cuba, just behind the USA in WHO rankings, but spending only 5% or so as much.


    If you did a little bit of research you would find that many people have cast serious doubts on the reliability of the statistics coming out of Cuba.

    For example - infant mortality is kept low by aborting any pregnancy that appears may prove problematic.

    Also maternal mortality is very high - strongly indicating that babies are saved at the expense of mothers - again in order to boost infant mortality figures.

    At the end of the day you cannot set any store by figures coming out of totalitarian regimes - because they will never release any statistics that suggest their system is failing in any way



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