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  1. 7 hours ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said:

    Yeah because it makes perfect sense to fly produce from the other side of the world. ūü§£ The mental gymnastics being a Brexshit voting boomer never ends. Bless.

    The mental gymnastics in turning food into an appellation controllee cartel while denying it pushes up prices are also quite comical. 

    Ra ra remainah

    1 hour ago, winkie said:

    Other countries in the world we will make trade agreements with will want something in return.....that might mean the ability to live and work here......the countries that have a younger population, with people prepared to leave their country of birth and start a new life in a new country, ours.......brexit was never anything to do with immigration, we need young and educated immigrants always have done, what we don't want is for our educated young leaving us because they see a better life and better prospects elsewhere.;)

    Sorry, brexit says no. 

    Eu countries that have no jobs for their young people are going to have to stop exporting them to UK and start doing something about their own problems eg spain's youth unemployment rate.

    UK has not yet shut the door to all immigrants: TPTB are trying to substitute outside EU immigrants for EU immigrants at the moment, so we'll see. 

    If all else fails, they'll have to train locals for the good jobs, rather than importing them fully trained from abroad. 

  2. 11 hours ago, winkie said:

    Many voted with the latest negative news remain story of the day in mind, they voted brexit as a way of showing loyalty to country.......they voted brexit thinking it will be an improvement on what we have got today, not really knowing what the improvements will be, they voted brexit because the good old days were better......anything has got to be better than this.......I would also like to know what this improvement plan will be, and what it can do for us.....nobody has yet told us, all I know and see are the downsides, costs, restrictions and bureaucracy.;)

    Does the rich having far less count as an upside? 

    Because I suspect a good percentage would say it does. 

    All the left wingers for a start. 

  3. 13 hours ago, winkie said:

    We will be saying the same about leaving the EU.....food prices have shot up since leaving.

    How about we start growing more food to eat ourselves and not so much food to feed animals?......can't blame Europe for high prices then.......take back control.;)

    Europe was always keen about self sufficiency in food, as the germans had been starved out in both world wars. 

    UK traditionally preferred cheap food (and wasn't fussed about protectionism in food.) 

    Now uk is reverting to type,  you'd expect TPTB to prefer food loaded with foreign additives rather than higher prices. 

    Of course inflation is now a worldwide worry. But caused by money printing worldwide, not brexit. 

  4. 1 minute ago, dugsbody said:

    You don't get to make these demands. Everyone learned very well from brexiters how you win at politics. You insult your neighbours for 40 years, invent lie after lie after lie after lie. Abuse is just part of the game now, because, in the childish spirit of brexiters "you started it".

    I'd learn to live with it if I were you, we had to unfortunately.

    Now you're just lying. 

    I don't do any of that. 

     

  5. 12 hours ago, pig said:

    Its the politics as much as the economics that worry me.

    I actually looked forward to a good debate on leaving the EU and was fairly open to voting for Brexit. But the whole thing stank pretty quickly - It seemed clear most Brexiters did not have a coherent plan or vision for Britain other than what you might get from the BNP.

    The British traditionally oppose the biggest power in Europe swallowing up the whole place. That's where they're most comfortable. 

    It's more or less a reversion to type isn't it? 

  6. 12 hours ago, pig said:

    FGS now playing the 'sneering' victim lol. But actually .... yes! How else is anybody supposed to react to your carry on ? 

    Anybody can trot off and swot up on Britains post Empire headaches. Well apparently anybody except for you.

    Nobody but the most myopic Brexiteer would insist these headaches started by 'coincidence' or otherwise when we joined the EEC.  

    Cos Boomer houses were cheap. Cos the swinging sixties. Cos the winter of discontent. Cos basically I don't want trading in the EEC to be seen to have helped Britain.

    So because you're mysteriously refusing to simply read up yourself, I guess others are supposed to do it for you and bring back the links for you right ? 

    At which point, quite predictably you are most certainly not going to debate British 'declinism' in good faith because being a Brexiteer it must not have happened before the EEC. It just must not happened before the EEC. No really it must not have happened before the EEC....

    So yes the history is interesting, but your weird myopia, is just as interesting, and here it is neatly exposed over what is a relatively simple point. 

    I mean do you actually believe what you are posting ?  Do you care ? Is it a question of as you say 'grandstanding in front of your mates' ? Or is Brexit actually like a bad Religion or cult ? What ?

     

     

    Gee, that's one hell of a rant. 

    But the serious questions include relative decline (inevitable given uk produced more than 50% of world's manufactured goods in victorian times) vs growth, rises in living standards vs rises in pieces of paper floating around, world trade vs protectionism, free trade vs ever closer union and finally the extent of EU's effect on uk in all that. 

    I don't think a barrage of abuse helps unpick any of it. 

    While I can admire quality invective, and even like ad hominem attacks, I don't quite get how the rant relates to the subjects?

     

  7. 36 minutes ago, pig said:

    Do you still genuinely believe that ?

    As you pointed out we had a nasty class system facing up to the pain of imperial decline. 

    A stick which obviously had to be borne by the working classes but with a nice house price bubble as carrot :)

     

    ( House price bubble starts in 1970 at the earliest. No correlation. ) 

    The working classes were "taxed till the pips squeak" under socialism. Socialism disappeared, along with the sick man of Europe tag, once Thatcher got in. 

    That was her one achievement most people are still happy about. 

  8. 4 hours ago, byron78 said:

    I wouldn't say I've cast judgement.

    That said, Trump and Prince Andrew were still hanging around with Epstein AFTER he went to prison for child sex trafficking charges.

    Anyone here who would stick by a friend charged with raping kids? Hopefully not many!

     

    I wonder what percentage the lawyers are on? I'm sure you'd find any number of lawyers willing to defend epstein for that percentage.

    And weren't these prostitutes who preferred to stay as "victims"  in a millionaire's house earning 2000 a night on their backs, rather than working for minimum wage in macdonalds? 

    It all looks like a money making scheme, lawyers, salacious details in newspapers, sanctimonious hypocrisy, prostitutes posing as victims, the lot. 

    Epstein should have simply said the market decides the age of consent in practice, not the government .  It's a case of free market capitalism operating. 

    And he's the pimp to the rich and famous, allegedly.  

    And they're the hookers.  

    And he's claiming the same privilege for pimps that priests lawyers doctors and newspapers get. Because pimps are capitalists and the others are parasites, monopolists, propagandists and perverts. 

    (Not great, but the best defence I can come up with on the spur). 

    Oh yeah, innocent till proved guilty blah di blah. 

  9. 17 minutes ago, kzb said:

    I'm not contending that Britain didn't slip down the league table.  That is not the argument.

    As you say there are no end of stuff going on, but chiefly it was just inevitable as European countries rebuilt after the war and followed Britain into being more industrial rather than agricultural economies.

    The argument is about how joining the EEC could be said to "rescue" Britain from the 1970's.

    Theyhad  lost all their colonies, were bankrupt after the war, had large swathes of their industry under government control and had a balance of payments problem. They also had a nasty class system and several other problems. 

    How did joining the EEC change all that? 

     It did give them a common market. But "ever closer union" lit a fuse on that arrangement. 

    Wasn't it rather socialism that made the UK the sick man of Europe?  And when the high point of socialism receeded,  the sickness went away with it.   

  10. 18 hours ago, pig said:

    Bless. 

    So we've established pretty much without doubt British sick man 'declinism' goes back to the 60's and perhaps earlier. 

    EEC and Thatcherism to follow, and of course there is an interesting debate on how free trade with neighbours and economic liberalism combined to impact Britain.

    On your silly bigotry - can't help you there. You just need to get over Brexit, pull your head out of its a*se and try to be curious and open minded about the world

     

    Some missing items: 

    Balance of trade being more important when you have to ship gold. 

    Ceasing to be a reserve currency being a great financial loss. 

    Government ownership of industries and socialism being a disaster. 

    Colonies and their loss on the finances of the home country. 

    System of dictatorships replacing colonies.

    Repayment of war debts. 

    Influence of traditional animosity and alliances. 

    Effects of ever closer union on eu. 

    Single currency and perpetual transfer payments or depopulation. 

    Government over spending.  

  11. 7 hours ago, dugsbody said:

    Allowing people to move around for their jobs is a good thing, we celebrate it in the four nations of the UK.

    I'm not sure that's quite a truth universally acknowledged ; it's the "get on yer bike" policy, which was very unpopular itself back in the day.   

    In practice older people and people with children can't up sticks as easily as the young, and it destroys communities to force them to. 

    Also, you don't want areas depopulating either, so governments often make transfer payments to the more uneconomic regions to stop that. 

    Like everything, it's a matter of degree. Too much of a good thing is... not good. 

  12. 9 minutes ago, yelims said:

    https://outline.com/JL8GVp
     

    Britain is missing out on the global trade upswing due to its departure from the European Union (EU), new research has shown.

    Although the UK trade deficit came in at just £2.7bn ($3.8bn) in the first quarter of the year, much smaller than its £6.6bn average in the 2010s, exports to the EU have fallen sharply.

    Pantheon Macro, which conducted the study, said the deficit highlighted the fact that UK exporters have lost market share, rather than the lacklustre EU economy.

    From the 2.7b figure it looks like imports are going down too, and the whole trade with Europe has been declining for several years. 

    I have to say i don't see many signs of dynamic pivot to remove workers rights, abolish dole, abandon pension ponzi and generally "open country for business", as they call it. 

  13. 1 hour ago, yelims said:

    In meantime the Pfizer vaccine actually protects well against all variants unlike the shitty Brexit vaccine https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01222-5

    so EU are doing correct thing doubling down on a company that not only delivers but also has the best vaccine to get out of this shit.

    So you don't think political spite had anything to do with it?

  14. 45 minutes ago, yelims said:

    It has everything to do with AZ failing and continue to fail to deliver 

    not rewarding AZ with booster shot contract is not spite it’s what good governance looks like, you don’t reward continued incompetence and you reward the competent companies who deliver concrete results 

     

    it might be a difficult concept for a Brexiteer and a Tory supporter to comprehend, that’s ok you lot are a little slow, hence the rampant corruption and incompetence which you keep rewarding 

     

    don’t forget to stop at your local foodbank on your way from collecting your medicine this evening 

    I'm sorry I just disagree with you. 

    I think political spite does play a role. 

  15. 1 hour ago, AThirdWay said:

    You don't seem to know much about Scotland?

    Scotland runs it's own NHS (on average, better than the other NHS organisations in the UK), has it's own legal system and it's own 'regulations' in many areas. There are several trains of thought on currency, from using Sterling for a period to using a Scottish pound as is and recalling Scottish bank deposits from the BoE vaults (Google it!). Technically Scotland has no debt, any Treasury debt that an iScotland agreed to repay to the Treasury would be negotiated, but we could walk away from it.

    As for your "60%+ of your salary" nonsense, salaries in Scotland are 2nd only to London and the SE.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/416139/full-time-annual-salary-in-the-uk-by-region/

    Maybe do just the tiniest bit of research before you post on something you seem to know very little about?

    The big issues seem to me: 1. Can Scotland be economically viable as an independent nation (given the current £2,500 subsidy per head) and 2. Can they get permission to do whatever they want up there without getting independence?  

    That's just my down south take on it, so do please correct me. 

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