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24gray24

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  1. It's socialism that won't catch on. Christianity... it's such a hodge podge of slave resistance, getting influence at the top, outright theft and violence, professional victimhood and state sanctioned monopoly That you have to wonder if it held back progress for a thousand years. And whose interests it really served. Can't help feeling that one book only is never a good idea. But hey ho, you can bet on religio socialism if you want. I'd think environmentalist capitalism more likely.
  2. Every year more support. Annual transfer payments or else gradual impoverishment then depopulation of the south. Better to fix the architecture that's causing it, but that's not so easy.
  3. Socialism is a non starter for the future. It's a failed philosophy primarily associated with dictatorships. While capitalism has made the world we live in. The young will pick something new as an alternative. They'll have to face the decline in raw materials, wars over what remains, a bronze age collapse possibly, rising sea levels, desertification. The idiotic mantra that all men are equal won't accomplish anything. It never does.
  4. Border poll. Simple majority. And you can't vote no. What's not to like?
  5. I guess brexiters don't believe the south won't need more money next year and the year after that and so on. Do you?
  6. Now you're pretending! You'd have to vote for a united ireland and we both know it. And no one has a solution for the undigestible Protestants. .. If this whole thread was brexiters, I'd argue remainer to get a bit of balance. Otherwise it becomes an echo chamber. Brexiters go on holiday to Spain for example, but you'd never know it from this thread. It tends to hare off into bitter prophesies of doom, and yearning for it.
  7. Screaming at the me isn't going to change anything. The unicorn you're chasing is rejoining the EU on worse terms. It isn't going to happen. Can't you live with it?
  8. Try and get a grip on capitalism and tory government. You can't get off this roller coaster. You'll manage somehow without Debenhams...
  9. As long as Germany has control of its own money, Brussels is thwarted. So what if 20 members want to spend germany's money on this that or the other? But... if they can get agreement to annual transfer payments to the south... We'll see. I suspect you'll be totting up losses in the Europe column as well soon enough. There's a way the game of tit for tat (or beggar thy neighbour) develops it's own momentum.
  10. Costs are easier to count than opportunities. Letting Debenham go bust cost x jobs and y millions. And no one can say what the value will be of what replaces it yet. But that is no reason to save Debenhams. Brexit isn't going to be reversed. It's going to go on and get more and more divergent. Losses in your column will continue to mount until trade is a fraction of what it was. Yet life will go on. And few will miss Debenhams or Brussels.
  11. New agreements can be made at any time. The eu wants transfer payments every year and Germany doesn't. That is the current position. That can be changed, in a crisis. We'll have to see how this Brussels ambition plays out.
  12. Federal taxes? Federal spending?. A coalition of the feckless deciding how to spend germany's money? My guess is Germany would rather let the south go bust and depopulate if it were not for fear of revolution. So the Brussels dream of a fully federal state might come to nothing.
  13. It won't be peanuts. the EU becomes will have to become responsible for all the nation states debts in a federal state. To do that they have to stop places like italy spending money. So you end up with a remote bureaucracy spending money and handing you the bill. And the end of variety and accountability. Brussels becoming like Washington. It's no panacea. To make any system work, you have to stop the parasites at the top sponging ever increasing amounts. Fiddling about with constitutions is often a red herring.
  14. Come on, get real. Firstly it's the start of a wedge. Start small get bigger. Secondly those "loans" won't be paid. What this really is, is the beginning of perpetual transfer payments from North to south. (In the same way uk has perpetual transfer payments to scotland) Given the alternative of the south going bankrupt and depopulating, it's not really surprising. But let's not kid ourselves it's going to be small.
  15. Because socialism doesn't work, and the young know it. The young often like what annoys their parents most. Doing as little work as possible and claiming they're saving the planet, while living at home possibly? Or refusing to work in paye and refusing to save in fiat? Getting religious? Voting green and living crusty? Voting for Sharia law and maximising Sharia immigrants? Liking psalm music? Getting pregnant at 17. Leaving school at 16. Just list everything sinister and you're half way there. Nationalistic socialism?
  16. Get real. It was developers having cosy relations with building inspectors in a lightly regulated free market. And this scandal is how the free market works. It's not the government's job to subsidise the market.
  17. But they're not immigrants. It's just propaganda. Besides, you're not even having to put up with it... thank God we're still in lockdown is all I can say.
  18. if it's a socialist paradise you should get shot for being a reactionary and if it's a Muslim paradise you should get shot for being an atheist. Can't see lefties being compatible with muslims. Conservatives on the other hand... Church and state, nice and authoritarian: they're natural bedfellows.
  19. It's obvious that if you were born here and your parents were born here, then you're not an immigrant. What were their other options (given there's a bit of latitude in the rules based on grand parentage)?
  20. Ever closer union was the poison. Should have gone for ever greater variety being the spice of life. Could change to that one day.
  21. 1815 -1914 . Peace in Europe. Ended in disaster. 1945- 2021. 20 years to go.
  22. Sounds impressive but what does it mean? In a world with many competing powers. Does it mean the EU makes the rules? Uh... no. Leavers are watching the football. And if they did have any thoughts on European history, it would stretch no further than wondering why none of the rabid lefties talk about imperialist aggression by russia. But mostly they'd want to know about boris' great grandma being a circassian sex slave bought in a market, and can they get a pic. And singing 100 german bombers in the air...
  23. What hypocrites these self righteous do Gooders are. They break the rules themselves then get all self righteous when someone else does less.
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