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Alan B'Stard MP

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  1. You are under the misconception that ten pence pieces can't annihilate when hidden from view. Much like the garage owner is under the misconception that cars can't drive undamaged through iron walls. Do you still own your ten pence piece if its annihilates?
  2. I didn't. I asked how you can determine if one or any of them are yours. You can't. Without an identifiable object your factual ownership has just disappeared in a puff of logic. How can you own something that you can't prove exists? Do you have a reasonable suspicion that it still exists? Is ownership a fact that doesn't require an object?
  3. How can you tell one is yours? Evidence procedure please. But there's nothing to stop me walking out the door as you can't prove I have your ten pence piece.
  4. If I take a ten pence piece that you own - mix it with a couple that I own behind my back - and present them to you...is there a "fact" that tells you which ten pence you own - or if you own any of them at all? Where is factual ownership? I thought it was a fact?
  5. What facts determine ownership? Evidence procedure please.
  6. The same evidence procedure you yourself use to determine factual ownership. Is ownership not factual?
  7. From the factual events of what he did with it and where he drove it.
  8. Because he knows the history of the original car.
  9. He knows how the car got there. He put it there. He knows if its the original or not. If its not - he should not be presenting it as anything but what it is - a copy.
  10. Mistaken in thinking that the car he is presenting is the original car - or the considerations of the contract?
  11. The new owner is lying or mistaken?
  12. It's location. The original car cannot possibly be where the new owner claims it is. Does he have good grounds to doubt it is the original car?
  13. He knows the laws of the universe and he knows - given the cars present location - that it is highly unlikely to be the original car. Does he have good reason to think this?
  14. And if the sealed system is still intact? The only information the garage owner has 1. He transferred ownership of said car - which resides within the walls of his garage. 2. The exit to the garage leads through a tunnel to another garage owned by his neighbour. 3. The two garages and tunnel are sealed securely with a metal casing. 4. This sealed casing has suffered no damage. 5. The new owner of the car drove the car out of the garage, along the tunnel. 6. The garage owner did not have sight of the car after it left his garage. Given this, does he have good reason to think the car parked outside on the road is not the original car?
  15. He gave ownership away. But you couldn't remove the car from the sealed system between the two garages. If it turns up on the road outside his house - it had to be driven through cold metal. He does. The contract states the object required for the contract to be fulfilled. Does he have good reason to think its not the original car?
  16. How do you explain the car being outside the sealed system: Does the garage owner have good grounds to think that the car you are trying to return to the agreed position is not the original car - given you needed to break the law of physics to get it to the road outside his house... Does he have good reason to think its not the original car?
  17. Ownership in the future doesn't exist because the future doesn't exist. Pointless - but factual. Your opinions < facts. So he is not obliged. What if the exit from his garage is a cast iron sealed tunnel leading to his next door neighbours garage - which is equally sealed with only this causeway: Would he have good grounds for requiring more information when you turn up outside his house wanting to return ownership of a car - to fulfill your contract; given that you clearly are signaling that you have broken the law of physics and removed the original car from its sealed system?
  18. What part of your factual definition of ownership includes future events? The future doesn't exist. It is not reality. I didn't say he was going to frustrate the process - I asked if he was obliged. Is he? The contract doesnt stipulate for anyone to 'leave the house'.
  19. Ownership changes. It is factual and can the events can be measured. The contract does not stipulate what might or might not happen in the intervening time. As you says the owner has 100% control of the item. So the contract isn't broken given he owns the item and can drive it out of the garage. Is the garage owner obliged to admit the car back into the garage?
  20. The original scenario is a valid contract - but also now irrelevant ongoing given you accept validity of the second contract. The contract makes no mention. Is the contract invalid if the new owner drives out of the garage?
  21. Ok. But I can do "nothing" and still service that contract fully. So a contract doesn't require someone to "do". Refraining isn't an action. If the new owner drives the car out of the garage - is the contract broken?
  22. Term and conditions? What definition of contract law are you sourcing from? Commonly used definitions allow for refraining from action to form a contract. Source. Good. And if the car is in the original owners garage - this is irrelevant to the contract?
  23. Nothing in contract law about pointless contracts. So I can enter a valid contract that stipulates nothing should be performed. Thanks for the correction. If transferring ownership is not doing anything as in this hypothetical contract - how is ownership transfer done - and made factual? I'm assuming something has to have 'happened' for a fact to be formed? What if I contract for you to return ownership of the car at the other side of the garage? This is an action. Is this a valid contract?
  24. I can't form a contract with you, for you to refrain from smoking if I refrain from picking my nose?
  25. Contract requires an action?
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