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When is 97 points falling off a cliff?
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All aboard the double dipper!
Yup AND Brown will come back later and say ... well I did warn you .... aaaargh my god
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I cant understand why Cameron and Clegg dont tell the country about what Brown has really done, AKA p1ssed the money up the wall without providing ANY sustainable jobs or growth. I would be giving it to him with both barrels and then reloading ....
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Actually, that's a good point. Do the UK GDP figure have all of the borrowings and QE stripped out of them? if they don't then they are bullsh*t figures.
That is THE bullsh1t of Brown, borrow to try and buy power, most people in the street will be clueless all they will hear is the words UP.
If its up it will give phoney creedence to the twonks "do you want to risk the recovery" blatherings and sheeple will most likely believe him.
If the real truth was known it is close to treason IMHO.
Does the man think he is a witchdoctor and can cure us without taking any medicine?
He promises to protect EVERYTHING , health, jobs, benefits etc etc, tell me how he can do that AND reduce down our deficit and then start paying down our debt?
The mans a complete charlatan.
THIS IS GROWTH PAID FOR BY DEBT AND ITS CONSUMER GROWTH NOT REAL LASTING GROWTH.
FFS!
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Far from it. I am terrified that Gordon will get less votes than the others, but more seats, and end up forming a govt. AAArrrrgggghhh!
If that happens then Clegg would do a deal with Cameron wouldnt he? Just give me PR ...
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Brown "Trust us because the tories will cut jobs whereas we will protect everything and everybody and pay down the deficit"
Cameron "Trust us"
Clegg "Trust us because we will be more honest and up front with you and give it our best shot"
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Brown closing statement: 'Don't do anything to put the economy at risk'
YOU WHAT?
YOU WHAT?
DON'T DO ANYTHING TO PUT THE ECONOMY AT RISK?
You're having a bleeding laugh!
I didnt know wether to laugh at him or call him a liar.... I decided to do both.
Come on Cleggy me 'ol beauty .... I've lots of money riding on you at big odds.... but as we all know he cant do it can he....
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Rejoice Brown is finished. Unemployment's gone up just at the right time.
We can finally get rid of this charlatan.
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But then we have all the polices they don't talk about at the moment.
An Amnestey for about 1 million illegal immigrants.
A 5% local income tax.
3000 more police officers, but no mention of redeploying what we actually have.
Joining the Euro - I would have agreed in the past, but this country is now not up to it.
They too believe in ever increasing NI
Their mansion tax is wrong if they are having a local income tax. Also, how long before a mansion is anything that costs over 250k and then we have houes tax and a local income tax?
They are also a party who like taxing, so they will be like labour -talk tough about cutting, but will end up wanting to tax more and more.
Yep it's not all good, I would like us to join the euro mind exactly for the reason you state. The thing is I know EXACTLY what labour are and I know the conservatives arent the answer so I only have one choice left. Clegg seems way more genuine than the rest of them (NB. I said used the word more)
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I wonder, only a little bit mind that given the depth of the problems and scale of the changes that need to be made the parties might be happy with a three way split. Thus no single party will be seen as the bad boy and we will have to swallow the medicine.
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For all his faults I prefer Gordon to the Eton/Oxford Cameron clique whose only purpose is to re-entrench the advantage of the wealthy.
I do not believe one scrap of this new Toryism, old cronyism built on taking money and jobs from those least able to cope is a beter description.
They are offering us instead of jobs, more prison places for those they hate, the poor and disavantaged. Perhaps the Tories will make them wear badges as well.
For all his faults aargh .... Brown has made so many mistakes and is now making empty promises. In his own words:
"No more boom and bust."
"I wont let house prices to get out of control."
"A weak currency is a sign of a weak economy which is a sign of a weak government."
OK so you dont want to vote Tory I can understand that but Labour have done nothing for the poor. Labour reward the lazy / layabout poor not the poor who are willing to work and or play by the rules. Why do they give tax credits and child trust funds to people who earn very good salaries but if you are a couple with no children you get NOTHING if you earn only £500 a month as a couple. Labour have let the poor down, let alone the mess of the economy which future poor will have to pay for.
So please dont vote Labour as they will lead us down an Argentina style financial path and if you hate the tories dont vote for them.
Just give the others a chance thats what I say.
If we are going down lets go down trying!
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Sheesh...
Gordon Brown - "I lost the debate on style but the substance will come through"
Who IS he trying to kid.
IS he deluded, seriously I am starting to wonder.
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I worry that a Libdm deal with Zanulabour will pave the way for that treasonous bsterd Brown to actually influence government
that is such a risk that unless Libs reach 40% in polls I cant risk voting for them......
God knows what will happen if Labour come third but win the most seats. Brown will try and justify it.
Clegg always has been much less yah boo.
It's about time we started facing up to the things we cant afford ... new nukes etc. If Clegg had of been in charge would we be in Afghanistan?
Clegg may surprise us all, he has obviously dissmed all talk of deals and may surprise us all ...he must think Brown is a cretin so why do a deal with him, unless Brown does a do you want all my gold for F-all type of deal.
Look we are 3 nil down at half time, It's time to feck all the others off and have a clear out.
Keep doing what youre doing and keep get what youre getting!
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Votematch is flawed, it gave Labour as my second choice
LibDem? Just a touchy-feely yoghurt-knitting, middle class version of Labour. Their policies are a complete pie-in-the-sky wish list of everything that would be nice if there was such a thing as a magic wand. I find them laughable.
The cons are for big business not for the people. Labour have just messed it up completely borrowing endlesly to keep power, they have wasted the money.
A lot of thier policies seem good to me.
A bank tax
A mansion tax
No tax on the first 10K
Dropping ID and Trident replacement.
The are being honest or at least more open saying they will cut public spending.
Ending the child trust fund... FFS we cant afford that.
Giving people access to personal pensions early if they are hard up.
Breaking up the banks
Etc...
Whatever Labour will promise they wont deliver we know that and the conservatives dont look out for the majority, thier power to the people plans worries me greatly causing increased duplication and corruption.
Id rather go for the mystery option and see for once.
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Or not .... it matches according to thier policies and takes no account of thier integrity or thier likleyhood of delivery.
We know Brown promises a lot .... no more boom and bust and I will not let house prices get out of control.
I put it to you votematch is flawed.
Vote LibDems. More Genuine at least. Dr Vince as chancellor wouldnt be too bad at all.
Vince is our man to control house prices.
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A few genuine questions.
1) When Brown says he has invested in the country by stimulating the economy how has he actually done that? Whats he really done? All I can see he has p1ssed our money up the wall on non jobs.
2) He attacks the Tories by trying to frighten the public constantly going on about a double dip reccesion but how does he think he can make all the promises he has on public services AND pay down the deficit? What is he really going to do?
3) Why doesnt Cameron ask him how he can make those promises AND reduce our deficit. Why doesnt Cameron come out and say he is LYING again to the British public?
I cannot see one iota of truth in anything that Brown says. I'm not partisan but it worries me so many people just cant see it.
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Sorry late reply but yeah I don't ever remember being offered a referendum on anything in my life!
Lol Browns referendum.....
Do you want option A - What I want
Or
Option B - What I also want
The only arguement he had was to prey on peoples fears .... dont risk a double dip .... let me borrow to make it seem alright t0sser.
Come on Clegg keep it up ....
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It just amazes me how Labour have acted and that so many people cant see it.
Brown talks about a recovery but the truth is its not a real recovery and it is only occuring on the back of borrowed money.
No jobs that he has created are real jobs which could stand the test of time and a competitive market.
It is things like Corus steel that needed to be sorted out - they are real jobs.
Wages have to go down accross the board (would be nice if it was pubic sector first mind)
Capitalism isnt broken it hasnt been allowed to do its thing due to self interest and meddling.
Youre average Joe in the street has no clue and will fall for spin.
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Dont under estimate the amount of belt tightening available to people when they absolutely HAVE to do it.
Most will protect the roof over thier heads above all else, prices may go down, but in a potentially inflationary environment maybe not.
No trashing is going to occur whatever..
Move along now nothing to see here...
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Hello everyone
Please be gentle to me as this is my first post.
Myself and wife have managed to safe a healthy 50% deposit ( lifetime savings) for our first future house which we intend to buy next year. Considering the current financial situation and what I have read on this forum over the last few days ( found forum week ago) I became really worried about my paper money sitting in high street bank doing nothing as well as its purchasing power which have dropped significantly over the last few months.
What would you recommend in terms of protecting our deposit over the next year or so? Is it still wise to buy some physical gold ??
We are prudent regular savers who don't want to gamble. We just want to save as much as possible and take little mortgage in the future.
Any advice will be highly appreciated. Cheers.
And will drop further.
Get it over with go get a house.
Are prices really going to absolutely tank from here?
People have got to live somewhere, its not like the demand is going to dissapear.
Youre never going to buy at the bottom or sell at the top.
FWIW I bought my first house when prices were on the way down in the 90's and went into negative equity for a time 100% mortgage and 15% rates...but I still had a home to live in. Over a couple of years it turned out not to bad and ended up well in profit.
Or just keep youre paper money and watch its real value dwindle away.
OH BTW I think prices are overvalued but that isnt going to change!
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Ok,
Many people on this site advise against buying right now because we are in the bear trap phase.
I don't feel we will get any more spectacular headline figure drops.
I now feel that rates are going to rise to painful levels in the mid term, and that prices will stay pretty much flat until that point.
As rates, rise, prices will fall, but it seems to me that i'll still be looking at the same sort of house for the same monthly repayment.
If I can get a low fixed rate (~ 5%) for 10 years, why shouldn't I buy right now?
Is there a flaw in my logic (given my prediction?)
Think about inflation also in youre equation. I think house prices will rise BUT thier relative value to many other things will actually fall.
Having £'s in the bank right is in my opinion a terribley risky place to be - low interest rates and a currency that is likely to take some hits.
Paper money will over the years be worth less and less at some point there will be a shake up and things will go back to being backed up by gold or another real commodity.. so owning things over having £'s is good. Do you think we are going to get inflation or deflation - think about that also and the ramifications of it... if you dont buy now when are you going to?. I got my first house mid recession in the 90's had some neqative equity for a time but still had the house to live in, the neqative equity wasnt huge and all these years later over time it panned out rather well.
People all want to live under a roof. I know I wouldnt like to have to be making the decision right now but I would make my own decision.
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How long has it taken you to realise that?
billbill81 - If I only could even aspire to your heady heights.
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Nobody, it costs votes, to all parties.
correct. The Tories were prattling on about getting tough on benefit wasters 20 years ago. They did nothing.
You are correct though, the numbers have mushroomed.
I'm am getting to the point of view it really isnt worth voting
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So who has got the guts to put a stop to it ?
This sort of thing is not new , it has been happening for decades now , the only change is the number of people like these .
Will the tories drastically cut tax for average earning people , cut benefits to people like these and , and give those with an average job and two kids some incentive to work ?
Labour have not !
Know very little about the lib dems , but don't think they will either.
The cons have been left with a steaming pile to sort out and if they get in theyre going to be upto thier necks in it. Labour will cross thier fingers and hope the recovery is better than budgeted whilst doing the right thing. The Libs would tread a middle ground I think but the other two parties would stuff them up in a right royal fashion.
The cons will probably get in but it is definately no forgone conclusion and if they do get in things are going to get pretty hot pretty quick.
Unite etc are the new NUM.
Has Cameron got the Kahunas?
Europe Tells Britain Not To Ask For Help In A Crisis
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For sure thats thier game but it wont happen now that the tories are on the watch. The markets are going to have more confidence in sterling as the days roll by. The tories know the pound is on borrowed time and they will get to work in double quick time.
Were going to be ok as long as the public sector ?workers dont grind the country to a halt ... thats the worry for me.