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  1. Is there going to be an end to this? Because as a soceity we're doomed. Think Robocop.
  2. I cant start a new topic yet for whatever reason but please read below or maybe someone start this as a new topic? The discussion we NEED to have about interest and money creation. I am aware most of the people that read this understand money production and the fractional reserve lending practice and therefore money creation. If you're not then it's going to be hard to comment on this topic accuratly and can be read up on by googling 'money creation through the fractional reserve system' Everyone seems disenchanted or unhappy with the system we have adopted with reagard to lending / money creation. Some are calling it a conspiracy by an elite. Some are saying that loans should not be given out and you should earn money ie. save. Personally I beleive the money creation system is the fairst thing mankind has ever had in history. The advantages are: 1. Anyone can borrow, even small amounts of capital to start a business. That business might be cleaning local windows or opening 100 coffee bars, the point is everyone who has shown a degree of managaing their bank account and paying their bills can borrow money. 2. It makes cash robbery relativly redundant and allows business to flow. If money is backed by a Gold Standard then there can ONLY be a certain amount of notes. So if you rob from a bank, you as good as steal the wealth of the community. This also means that new business ideas - why do you think technology has evolved so much so quickly - can get funding easier. 3. It prevents life from being like Monopoly. ie. the game is over when someone has all the money. This way, no one ever has all the money and it keeps the economy moving. Fair minded and reasonable people often don't see the fact that there are people out there who want to own everything. 4. As far as interest is concerned - IT GIVES THE MONEY POTENCY! If the money was just handed out and never needed to be paid back then would people be unproductive? It's a soul searching question but may I refer you to the post about people queing up outside Dixons for PS3's ! A point which brings me nicely to the sole disadvantage: 1. Does the current system enslave reasonable people to forever paying off the interest of government schemes / providing work for the unemployable. And what do you think the occupations of Iraq / Afghanstan cost? And a few final points has the current system been hijakced and used against us to bring about 'social change' in the shape of who knows what? and, to all the people who say they are 'savers' and never go a penny into debt, YOU ARE TOTALLY MISSING THE POINT! Understand that in the system we have, all money is debt and the point of it is to turn a debt into a profit by working hard and providing people with THINGS PEOPLE WANT (so it truly is a free market) By saving and never going 'a penny into debt' you are just being a wage slave paying off governement debts non-stop. In the main my question: Is the current money creation & lending practice the best system? And do we need interest?
  3. I am aware most of the people that read this understand money production and the fractional reserve lending practice and therefore money creation. If you're not then it's going to be hard to comment on this topic accuratly and can be read up on by googling 'money creation through the fractional reserve system' Everyone seems disenchanted or unhappy with the system we have adopted with reagard to lending / money creation. Some are calling it a conspiracy by an elite. Some are saying that loans should not be given out and you should earn money ie. save. Personally I beleive the money creation system is the fairst thing mankind has ever had in history. The advantages are: 1. Anyone can borrow, even small amounts of capital to start a business. That business might be cleaning local windows or opening 100 coffee bars, the point is everyone who has shown a degree of managaing their bank account and paying their bills can borrow money. 2. It makes cash robbery relativly redundant and allows business to flow. If money is backed by a Gold Standard then there can ONLY be a certain amount of notes. So if you rob from a bank, you as good as steal the wealth of the community. This also means that new business ideas - why do you think technology has evolved so much so quickly - can get funding easier. 3. It prevents life from being like Monopoly. ie. the game is over when someone has all the money. This way, no one ever has all the money and it keeps the economy moving. Fair minded and reasonable people often don't see the fact that there are people out there who want to own everything. 4. As far as interest is concerned - IT GIVES THE MONEY POTENCY! If the money was just handed out and never needed to be paid back then would people be unproductive? It's a soul searching question but may I refer you to the post about people queing up outside Dixons for PS3's ! A point which brings me nicely to the sole disadvantage: 1. Does the current system enslave reasonable people to forever paying off the interest of government schemes / providing work for the unemployable. And what do you think the occupations of Iraq / Afghanstan cost? And a few final points has the current system been hijakced and used against us to bring about 'social change' in the shape of who knows what? and, to all the people who say they are 'savers' and never go a penny into debt, YOU ARE TOTALLY MISSING THE POINT! Understand that in the system we have, all money is debt and the point of it is to turn a debt into a profit by working hard and providing people with THINGS PEOPLE WANT (so it truly is a free market) By saving and never going 'a penny into debt' you are just being a wage slave paying off governement debts non-stop. In the main my question: Is the current money creation & lending practice the best system? And do we need interest?
  4. That cant be used an excuse forever. It's not that it's a sick place, it's that people allow it to resemble one.
  5. Got to have an orgasm to this post and the one by the same poster about family planning in Africa. (Although thouroughly against exploiting these or any poor people for our gains as it represents an inefficent business model and only funds greed(which in itself is utterly futile))
  6. Gordon has led the whole world ecomony to Strong Fundamentals. What. A. Hero.
  7. I think we're in for a Boys from the Black Stuff type scenario that will probably drag on a bit longer than any of us would care to imagine, maybe 10 years. If I'm being really pessimistic then we could have a gradule collapse leading to the rise of a technological dictatorship (if we're not already in one). The only thing we truly have in this country is an excellent geographical postion to launch Amerian bombs and that could sadly see be the ultimate outcome. On the plus side house prices will come down.
  8. An agreed medium of exchange between two parties looking to barter products. However often confused with having the value of the products themselves and the practice has been heavily exploited by monarchs, governments and banks for centuries. And there's nothing this forum likes more than this particular question. We need it pinned.
  9. All good points and worthwhile noting that the sheeple will always be sheeple. And I'm sure you can communicate and there are communities of really technical guys etc. What I'm implying is that access to the kind of limitless information and opinion you and I have at present will become a terrorist act at some point in the future. And this will all be dressed up as a good thing. Ive been precise in my speculation by naming apple as the PC that everyone will have but that is just what I think is probable becasue that's how I see people tricking people - give them what they superfically think they want, then take away what you don't want them to have and they won't notice. I've convinced myself that people will sell out interent freedom as we know it for faster download times and prettier hard drive box thingy. (And the way the free movies & music thing is being worked is like contract phones / sky subscriptions / love film - pay once a month for limitless use - maybe premuims for newer films and less for backlist - bit like Sky Digital but whatever you want to watch)
  10. I think the biggest and most important measure of any economic crash really isn't measurable. It's how much of a mess society becomes. How many (more) kids are left without a family because familes can't take the pressure. And the kids just watch TV for guidence and then they end up talking like the tube and thinking like the tube. In fact I think the graoh we need to see has nothing to do with money at all and the figures that tell us all we need to know will be how many copies of Heat magazine have sold in direct proportion to how many ours of hours of channel 4 were watched.
  11. Sure, all good comment. But I'm sure we both agree on three things. 1. all TV is mindless censored dross 2. the internet is an incredible source of information, like nothing unleashed on any population in the history of time ever 3. turning the internet into what we could loosly term as "interactive-TV" would be an acheivement if you didnt want the population to have access to certain things And i'm defintly not worried about copying anything, what my point is the people don't notice these freedoms taken away when they're done incrementally. And if they do they sell out for cheeseburgers and popcorn. I think apple pc's of the (near) future will be so great that people wont even notice what might have been taken away. You get me?
  12. I dont think drumming up fear of war is on media agenda this week. I for one would burst. I think when things start hitting the streets and people start getting angry we'll see the war propaganda kicking off. This is looking at history, not speculation as I'm sure you're aware.
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