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All of which reminds me why Daily Mail readers shouldn't be given access to dangerous instruments such as the telephone. -
Labour have utterly blown themselves up with this one.
Middle class, middle age callers on "any answers" R4 now, saying we are into a Police State.
Its "absolutely chilling". "like Zimbabwe"
These are our fellow citizens, harmless little old ladies saying they are terrified of our government.
It is hard to remember this is Britain.
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the original article mentioning ATS was in the Guardian. Does that make any difference to the reasons behind why the gold rush story was put out...?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/oc...nking.economics
In the Telegraph????This is truly surprising.
Love it.
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Didnt he resign out of principle though?..."when good men do nothing..." and all that...
David Davis, A truly respectable politician. A worthy future PM, surely. -
lol the idea of the "one perfect house" is like the one perfect dress or pair of shoes...its a seller's illusion... there's always another one just as good, and quite possibly cheaper and better, down the road...
I think you lot must live on Mars.Didn't you notice house prices only dropped 0.4% last month?
Total down 14.9%.
The houses that are for sale now will probably drop more. What I'm saying is 90% of other people who would sell in the near future will just wait a year or so until prices go up again.
The house you want won't be on the market.
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It started in America... i think you'll find Austrailia, America, New Zealand, India, Italy, France etc etc etc are all actually concerned about immigration, as anyone who has tried to move to any of the non-eu countries from UK can demonstrate!
Or can you show me different.
Only for the Tories and their fellow travellers, the BNP and UKIP.For everyone else, migration is normal, as it has been for hundreds, perhaps thousands, of years.
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The trouble is us smokers dont love our local's anymore. The smoking ban (again) sets landlords against customer..it makes you feel like you are being watched all the time.. its like the government is constantly on your shoulder... and the landlord is their policeman and all the time you are in the pub, you are aware of this because you are constantly either going outside or thinking about it. it makes going out totally unenjoyable. IT makes going out to listen to music, completely pointless, since you spend most time outside!
I am one of the many smokers who have abandoned pubs. Was a time I would always pop into the pub for food, Now my pub going is very rare.
Personally I feel the pub trade didnt do enough to stop the ban. Granted they were conned that it wouldnt be so draconian right up until the vote, thus supressing protest...However, it does mean the loyalty of smokers towards the local pub has disappeared because of their lack of action..
a lot of people who want ther local to stay open,,how often do they go into ther local...a mate of mine who had a pub, said people buy from super markets drink at home, maybe once a month come into ther so called local.he claimed no pub could stay open with such customers,he said you always get 5 or 6 who come in often but that's not going to pay the bills.
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Lol, they are needed to dance the "loophole".
I think tis now policy to put something into every new policy specifically designed to make it completely worthless and unworkable.
Salsa class anyone?
Do we really NEED dancers/choreographers? Seems an odd one! Whre'd they be used then that's in such demand?I'd like to be a quantity surveyor, but like most jobs you can't just go into it. Same with social work. There's no trainee route, you have to have a degree to start. There are loads of us older workers that don't have a degree and don't have the working life time left to gamble on what might be a good degree to take in order to get a job at the end of it.
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I will vote for the man who tells the truth.
Can you find one in your office. God I hope they pay you well... I'm sure they do.
David Cameron's a desperate man now, frightened Tories sinking in the polls have traditionally been forced to play to the party gallery - here's the evidence. You've gotta ask yourself:If I've got lots of debts and risk losing my job - who am I going to vote for:
The man who says it's going to get worse or the man who says he has a cunning plan.
Gordon Brown is transforming himself into Father Christmas before your very eyes and David Cameron's publicity team are shouting from the rooftops that Santa doesn't exist. Peter Mandelson must be chuckling quietly to himself about just how successful the comeback has been: Wee Georgie neutralised and Dave running back to the party-faithful like Michael Howard before him.
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No doubt it will be something like unemployment protection, or medical protection....
the take your money, then when push comes to shove will find a way not to pay you...
After all the scams - sorry "financial instruments" that have stripped the public thus far, endowments, insurances pensions etc - have we not bloody learned the lesson yet?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbys...n-provider.htmlIs this based on flawed mathematical models, surely any modelling would be predicting at least 50% falls if not more?
Launching a product at a time when it's going to have to pay out seems crazy or the premiums need to be so high people can't afford them.
Can anyone think of any reason why this product would actually make money? For me it just appears a get rich quick scheme, sell loads of premiums and then quickly declare yourself bankrupt as you don't have the money to pay out the claims.
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Yes I do agree with you., and I would add that being "left wing" in any case, no longer speaks of being for a democracy of society. Many granudian readers would describe themselves as being just that, whilst they look down their snooty noses at the hoi poloi....
... But if we accept this New Lab = Left as a "relentless theme", ie accept the terms of engagement with which the Guardian offers us - the incredible double-think becomes clear...
basically that any policy that doesnt work is not a Labour (in guardian terms "left wing") policy..
In fact it doesn't matter what side of the political spectrum is, if the policy works it will be attributable to labour, if not to some etheral "right wing" economists...
Left = Good ergo good policies = Labour
But those wicked nasty bad policies, no not done by - in gaurdian terms - a left wing Gvt....but MUST be, by the very fact they are bad, have been done by some anonymous "right wing economists"..
In fact your theme of freedom and civil liberties is exactly what I was getting at with my comments... if you look very closely Winston, you will see that four can be five and four all at the same time....it can be whatever we want it to be.
And yes, this is a concept all the parties seem to aspire to, just in this case, tis clear as day a labour spin in the grauniad...
This relentless theme of insisting that New-labour must be left wing because that is its traditional defining position really needs to be laid to rest once and for all, but almost every day we get posts here which seem to have a built in prejudice and assumption that Labour must be left and therefore everything "left" must be bad. It really is time that people on this forum awakened themselves to the fact that almost nothing about the Labour party is remotely left wing. The only facets of its rule which could be vaguely linked to any left of centre concept is in any case mirrored by the Tories, who for the last several decades have never pretended or claimed that Free Education, the NHS and a Social Security system is now identifiable as either left or right, but a firmly established part of cross party philosophy.But when you look beyond the big three symbols of a mixed economy, we begin to see how clearly the Labour has lurched not to the left but substantially to the right:
PFI is a Tory invention which New Labour has extended and expanded in all directions, to the point where half the nations assets have been sold off for a derisory sum and leased back on the never never, except that never is actually a finite deadline whereupon Labour will be seen to have now obliged the tax payer to a burden of decades of extra tax without the commensurate interest in any capital or assets resulting from PFI. This is for the nation a massive loss making exercise and billions could have been saved by taking out simple loan and overseeing the hospital building and school building from Whitehall. The notion that somehow private enterprise is magically more efficient at running all this has been comprehensively defeated. PFI is a time bomb of debt which would arguably have been halved if those precious assets, mainly in the form of buildings and land, had not been given away.
The privatisation of the railways, started by the Tories and enthusiastically continued by New Labour is now recognised even by the most hardened Thatcherite commuters as a total disaster which has led to exponentially rising fairs and a reduced service on most commuter routes.
The privatisation of national airports has led to a bonanza of exploitation, huge rises in costs, inefficiency, profit taking and gross neglect of their core consumers, the passengers, who are ripped off from the moment they park and then set foot into any British airport, and airlines who are fed up with the exhorbitant fees they pay for the privilege of taking off and landing.
The farming out to private concerns major IT and other technologically based systems, such as the NHS data system which has been not only a spectacular failure but which has cost the tax payer hundreds of millions of pounds and STILL doesn't work and is having to be redesigned from scratch, represents a classic example of "free enterprise" which has again completely ripped off the tax payer.
Now, this is not to say that all these privatised gaffs would not have been similar had they been run on public service paradigms, nor am I claiming that keeping the private firms out of the loop would have been any less efficient, but at least the assets which have been profligately sold off would now still be owned by the nation. One crass idiocy which the Rail Network sell off has clearly shown, is the mind boggling underestimate of the value of buildings and land which the private companies have now sold off for a massive profit. These were NATIONAL assets, the sale price for which will never benefit a single tax payer.
We have now reached a situation where the dreaded "state control" of the economy of past "left wing" constructs has in its perceived harm been now exceeded by an unregulated private banking system and private enterprise system allowed to get out of control. BOTH SYSTEMS, unregulated or unchecked, are EQUALLY undesirable. So rather than making sweeping assumptions about left or right, and which category this government is in, a more fruitful discussion would be to examine which approach is more practical. Unfortunately, pavlovian and deep seated political prejudice would rather judge on labels than by actual outcomes.
In a civilised nation, you have to recognise that some public services cannot ever be profit making. The NHS will always have to be state run and state funded if we are to avoid the disgraceful inequalities of the US system. And no integrated transport system is going to make a real profit either, and indeed if you examine the apparently profitable parts of road and rail transport in the UK, there is no real profit at all since the whole system is deeply subsidised through the back door.
Rather than banging on about "left" being the evil state and "right" being the flag of freedom we should examine each individual industry and then make a mature decision about whether it should be in the control of corporations or that of the electorate. In most cases a mixture of the two, with required checks and regulations, is probably the best way forward. If we want to be paranoid about left or right extremes then there is one place they all meet in the middle, and that should be the real concern: The relentless curtailment of liberty in the name of anti-terrorism. Whether you are notionally left, as Blair and Borwn are said to be but which I doubt, or Bush who is without doubt well to the right, the result is the same. Both "extremes" seek equally to establish a state which has far too much interest in your daily private life. That is what we should be concentrating on.
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I dont understand, Gordon talking down our economy...he must be a tory then..
only drastic action will save us- gawd blimey only last month we were best placed and not to worry...
"A stitch in time saves nine", his father told him, well hes shagged that one up by about 4 years...or really, i guess we can go right back to the beginning and the flogging off of our gold...
He has to be 'appearing' to be doing something.
The downside is that we are going to get huge public debt with very little to show for it. Nice. :angry:
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The below quote is what really fascinates me, esp coming from the guardian...
So, are they saying Labour policy is right wing..
or they are trying to blame Labours policies on some right wing economics...
But surely, by definition, labours policies/economics are left wing!
either way it doesnt make sense...its a paradox..
"right wing" economics?? "The same right wing economics that means that asset inflation is "left to the market" ahem... wasn't it labour that decided to leave intereest rates to the BOE...
after years of a left wing gvt...claiming somehow this is all due to "right wing" politics is a bit rich...
oh please..
"The government let the housing bubble develop because economists draw a false distinction between goods inflation (bad) and asset inflation (leave it to the market). So the Bank of England raises interest rates when food prices rise, but not when a property bubble develops. The same rightwing economists believe government has no role in regulating the supply of credit.
Here's to the end of a nasty bubble"
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If you take your useless bits of paper abroad they will still be useless,,
if you take your gold abroad...
OK, so I buy £10k worth of 1oz bars as a hedge. Gold 'goes to the moon', and I now have £20k - this is even less useful than a house price boom, as I cannot live in a dozen gold bars...So what then? Do I realise my profit? OK, I am now sitting on 20,000 useless bits of paper as opposed to 10,000.
QED?
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Have not spotted any of these for sale since the big bust... are the US hoarding their gold, have they run out, or am I just not looking in the right place? (Bairds/CoinInvestDirect)
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and what was Your name back then, cos your join date says this August
Do you seriously think that everyone that seen what was coming was a HPC veteran - let me tell you they were laughing at people like me on this site 3 - 4 years ago. Can't remember your name much back then shakerbaby. Musn't have been posting much at all yourself. -
If they do that the mattresses of Britain will be stuffed even fuller than they are now and it will be a good day for gold.
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Isnt it that its pretty easy to tell if gold is real, where as diamonds etc, not so...
also its easy to chip a bit off your gold and both the chip and the remaining gold will hold its value exactly the same... even easier if you have gold chain.... If you chip a bit off a diamond, tis likely you have ruined its value...
EDIT to add: oh i see you say other PMs too, of course the same for gold holds for them....I think a lot of gold bugs are also into other PMs though.
So what. You can store hundreds of millions of pounds in the same shoe box if you use diamonds, rubies, emeralds, sapphires, tanzanite, kunzite etcFFS there are loads of stores of value including other precious metals such as silver (incidentally a much more realistic currency than gold) and platinum.
What is so special about gold except for the fact it is yellow, shiny, heavy and inert.
Talk about worshipping f**cking graven images.
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Hah- afte the sight of the Chinese goons policing the olympic torch on OUR streets, and Gordon receiving the torch...
Only thing he's supressing is his laughter.
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If it reaches parity with the euro, does that mean the people who rushed to open euro accounts, to protect their savings, have actually wasted their time?
Is this definately our Government buying US stuff though in the "MAJOR FOREIGN HOLDERS OF TREASURY SECURITIES"? or just stuff registered in the UK, it is my belief it is the latter.The UK amount also includes the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man.
Most of it registered here is probably foreign Governments from the middle east etc, hedge funds and other's who don't want it listed under their own countries.... and maybe even the Fed buying the stuff itself through London!
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Can you tell Brown to stop talking about it then please.
I DO find it disturbing that they are adopting this phrase, surely they are aware of the conspiracy theories...so why choose to use this phrase at all....
...unless they want us to get used to it...
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Homeless- Home Free or Street Aware
Unemployed - Time Rich
Bankrupt - Debt Free
We are definitely going to need some new euphemisms and politically correct language for homeless people, the repossessed, the bankrupt and the unemployed.Maybe the BBC are working on swish graphics for these right now.
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Yes, the express had half a page - Food prices down by 0.1%!! isnt that 1p off in every £1000 spent?
at least we wont starve then.
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The higher the house price the more you borrow. The more you borrow the more profit the bank makes from interest payments.
Clearest sign they expect the market to nosedive further....
does she (i.e. the mortgage lenders) have an ulterior motive for encouraging us to buy asap?BTW opened fixed interest bond with Abbey. They were very insistent I took the annual interest rather than monthly to my account...
He said "But what about inflation, when you take your investment out it will be worth less because you've spent the interest."
"Well with inflation, I'm surely better spending the interest now, even if I just buy my petrol or food with it, rather than waiting for a year to spend it, when prices will have gone up, and it will be worth less. In fact, if I dont spend it I can take that interest and reinvest it in a high interest account, so yeh ill have it monthly..."
I don't think they are too happy, I think even my measly monthly interest they wanted to hang onto!
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I remember the bloody conservatives too, and yes, they were in their own way as bad. I despised Thatcher as a young un.. But again iIt must be said that Labour have taken a lot of what they started and finished the job. Particularly with regards to civil liberties and surveillance...
Anyway, Im heartened that what I mistook for unquestioning party loyalty was devil's advocacy ... it seems we are at least agreed they're all a shower, with a few good men thrown in who rapidly sink to the bottom for refusing to play the game....so what the **** are we all going to do.