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  1. Money printing is allowed in Monopoly only to the extent that new money (cash) is required for transactions. i.e. if the bank runs out of cash, you can write up new notes on paper and use those (because the players have all the money in circulation). Note in Monopoly the players keep their cash under the mattress.

    I can't think of any circumstance where money printing (to stimulate demand / to extend and pretend) would be required in the game. I guess if ALL the properties had mortgages and everyone had run out of cash, the Bank might want to inject some new funds into the game (because the Bank has all the cash) - but well before that someone would have won (or the game would have been abandoned due to general boredom).

    I'm sure this question could be asked on a Monopoly forum for more insights. But I think I've nailed it.

  2. I see the cool.gif emoticon has not been suppressed in the latest upgrade to the site.

    How hard can it be?

    a) not hard at all

    cool.gif really quite difficult

    c) don't know

    Please fix it. I asked nicely. I've been patient. :angry:

    June 2014. The B) smiley is still with us.

    B)

  3. After looking up the phrase on the internet, the implied forward rate is a lot simpler than I expected: it is just the current quarterly dividend multiplied by four and divided by the share price. I had thought that there was some arcane PhD-level way of estimating what the market implied about the future.

    No, the yield I quoted is the next 12 months expected earnings divided by the current price. I was just noting that 6% looks quite impressive given we are at all time highs - so either it's right (and then the S&P could be a reasonable place to put new money) or the analysts have collectively over-estimated next years earnings (quite possible).

    Earnings are either paid out as dividends or kept in the company (retained) in which case book value increases (or decreases with a loss). Dividend yield is interesting because it is real cash being reliably paid out (the ultimate measure of whether a company is making money).

  4. Sorry Greg, sorry JY and any anyone else in their 50s that was offended by being in their 50s referred to as elderly.

    Probably should have said older guy.

    I was going to refer to them as spiv 1 and spiv 2 but again I didn't want to offend.

    The older guy was wearing red trousers if that makes a difference?

    OP is 36 btw and the older chap I'd have put at 20yrs my senior at least, either that or he has aged very badly (maybe the stress of BTL).

    BF

    No need to apologise, it was only the choice of words that's all! I was 34 when I first posted here and can see the half century looming. The main thing was the anecdote, and the red trousers.

  5. Yep but as my previous comment mid fifties isn't usually called elderly. Last 7 years and all bets are off re gifts

    I read that and smiled too, I wonder how "old" the OP is?

    But:

    "As far back as 1875, in Britain, the Friendly Societies Act, enacted the definition of old age as, "any age after 50", yet pension schemes mostly used age 60 or 65 years for eligibility. (Roebuck, 1979). "

    These days 50 is the suggested threshold for beginning of old age / being described as elderly, for third world countries:

    http://www.who.int/healthinfo/survey/ageingdefnolder/en/

    There are many 50 year olds in developed countries who are fitter and healthier than the majority of 20 somethings.

  6. Could you explain this all a bit more clearly? I read the FT article, understood some of it, other parts were quite opaque. Strada, Tragus, Apollo...

    Essentially, large restaurant chains are rebelling against high rents, right?

  7. To attempt to give the OP a sensible answer, the forward expected yield on the S&P 500 is 6.1%; the actual dividend yield is 1.95%; the 30 year is at 3.3%.

    http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3021-peyield.html

    http://stockcharts.com/freecharts/yieldcurve.php

    But VIX is at 11.4 while the S&P 500 is at record highs.

    Markets are frozen at low yields, for the time being.

    Interesting times; here's a fairly good article:

    http://online.barrons.com/news/articles/SB50001424053111904125704579591700716708592?mod=BOL_GoogleNews

  8. Got to get up got to get up got to get up

    Got to get up got to get up got to get up

    And time won't take my love away

    You're such a you're such a you're such a you're such a

    Hot temptation

    You just walk right in

    Walk walk walk right in

    Got to get up got to get up got to get up

    Got to get up got to get up got to get up

    Got to get up got to get up got to get up

    Got to get up got to get up got to get up

    Walk right in

    Cuz you're right on time

    Cuz you're right on time, right on time

    Cuz you're right on time

    Cuz you're right on time, right on time

    Let me tell you, let me tell you

    What you do, what you do, what you do to me

    You're such a

    Hot temptation

    You just walk right in

    Walk walk walk right in

    Got to get up got to get up got to get up

    Got to get up got to get up got to get up

    Got to get up got to get up got to get up

    Got to get up got to get up got to get up

    Walk right in (away)

    Cuz you're right on time

    Cuz you're right on time, right on time

    Cuz you're right on time

    Cuz you're right on time, right on time

    Cuz you're right on time, right on time

    Cuz you're right on time, right on time

    Cuz you're right on time, right right right on time

    Cuz cuz you're right on time, right right right on time

    Away

    And time won't take my love away

    Good one! Crikey, that song stands up - better than most stuff out there today. I sound like an old man... but 1989 - happy daze, first year at university, Berlin wall falling, cocktails and the City were cool and here we have Katrin Quinol lip syncing to Heather Small's incredible voice. Actually the song sounds better now than it did back then.

    (Can someone tell me how to embed video, I know hardly anybody will click a link without some image of what it is.)

    Oh yeah yields. You can probably figure out if property is "too expensive" using yields. But you will learn nothing about the direction of prices in the short term.

  9. If you read the full text of Nationwide chief exec Graham Beale's comments it's clear that he's trying to pre-empt the FPC from recommending that further restrictions be put on mortgage lending (e.g. Loan-to-Income caps). His was using the argument that London is coming off the boil as a reason for the FPC to hold fire - the London market will level out naturally, he said, and no action is necessary.

    Nationwide's Finance Director came out this morning saying much the same thing - that the BoE risks undermining the recovery if it takes any action on the housing market.

    These Vis are not trying to talk the market down - they're intent on keeping the party going, and regulation threatens that.

    They also feel that since they don't lend at the frothy top end in London they are less exposed to an inevitable correction. "We are not overweight London."

    IMO, the cheap shit at the bottom could still suffer percentage-wise enough to give them huge problems. They acknowledge the pro-cyclicality of their self-assessed strength by claiming that recent price rises makes their overall book less risky. Well I think it was Mervyn who pointed out that price is opinion and debt is fact.

    Nationwide is a firm publicly showing signs of cognitive dissonance.

  10. Is there not? As I recall the bank has a lot of open positions for which they have 48 hours to find cash to bring them up to margin... only the size of the positions is larger than the bank has reserves to cover. So they dump them at firesale prices to save the bank but end up firing a lot of staff in the process.

    I watched it last night on the OP recommendation - I thought I'd seen it at the time, but hadn't. Very good, economical story telling and some accurate portrayals from the cast. Irons was actually superb and captured the essence of a guy at the top of one of these businesses - and Simon Baker was also spot on with his charmed progression and survival in the firm ("he's a killer".)

    The actual problem for the firm was they had several billion dollars worth of unpackaged mortgages on their books and it takes a month or more to package them up into MBS and flog them to their clients in investment grade tranches. So they had to dump the portfolios of mortgages wholesale (raw) to their competitors at 91 cents then 65 cents then 55 cents on the dollar... The film was so tightly edited that they didn't spend long enough spelling it all out. There was never actually a "margin call" from the banks lenders - the Irons character made the call to dump their positions once he'd learnt that only luck had prevented the firm going bust in the preceding 2 weeks due to unprecedented volatility.

  11. 140K for Notting Hill in 1994 sounds like a lot. I was living in nearby Bayswater at the time and my landlord offered me (was begging me in fact) his two bedroom flat in Gloucester Terrace for 110K. I was earning 60k/year at the time so it wouldn't have been too big a squeeze to buy it but wanted to go off and travel the world not be tied down to a flat. I was in my late 20s then so it would not have been impossible for a 25 year old to buy at 140k flat.

    That's back when 60K was a very fine salary, well played!

    I remember buying our 2 bed flat in London in 1994, on a joint income (we were both on about 25K) and we restricted ourselves to the 80-90K range, and settled on Highgate/Muswell Hill/Crouch End (zone 3 seemed to be our aspiration, did not think zone 1 was possible). We put in a 5K deposit.

    We did see a couple of places at nearer 100K, but that just seemed to be a step too far and a bit scary at the time. How wrong we were. Assuming we could have wangled a bit larger mortgage (taking us to 40-50% take home cash to service the repayments, say) we might have stretched to 120K. So 130K for a 1 bed flat in 1992 for someone on his first step definitely smacks of privilege / BOMAD and/or a confidence that he'll be OK whatever happens. I had friends who were helped into similar priced places with parental help in 1994, nobody could do it entirely on their own (in the first year after graduating).

    But the real story of course is the price of the place today - 1,400K, and the entire political class should answer to that.

  12. Cameron keeps banging on about "in real terms" as if inflation has magically made everyone richer since 2007! Unless wages across the board have kept in line with CPI, then he's the one who should be careful talking about "real terms", rather than warning others to be careful about using the term "bubble".

    And who accepts his premise anyway that it is inevitable or desirable for house prices to surpass the 2007 peak? What is this "latest report" he saw [that it would take until 20017/18 for prices to reach 2007 levels (in real terms)]?

    I can't imagine what it must be like for the 25-35 age group in the UK right now - to have this relentless pressure from the top to saddle up with crippling, real debt.

  13. “I’m looking through this and all the amenities that we had already, they’re bragging about. The reservoir, the sailing club, the parks, the local markets: they’ve always been there. I don’t know what they’re actually adding.”

    I went to the marketing of this development in Singapore about a year ago, out of curiosity. Units were selling off plan like hot cakes. Luckily I know a bit about London.

  14. That was remarkably sensible too. It seems like the economists do actually understand what the problem is, except for the ones who work for the media, the banks, and the governments.

    So if I can apply my basic understanding: all it seems to require is increasing tax on property [or on the capital gains on property, and/or on loans for the purchase of property] in order to direct credit into productive investment. (I imagine it would need a bit of tweaking to set the level right. )

    (I stil haven't seen the 2nd half of the first one, failed to download again)

    It was a sensible video although he went a bit wobbly around the 9 minute mark as I recall, citing the Asian economies as models of prudence. Hong Kong, Tokyo, Shanghai (and 100 other Chinese cities we have never heard of), Singapore and Jakarta are all prone to the same human behaviour which creates frightening asset bubbles.

    Singapore's partial solution (it's not perfect) is to let the private sector largely do what it wants (although it has recently intervened with tax and caps cooling measures) in the knowledge that every citizen has shelter available to him at a liveable cost, through the HDB policy. We are told that some 80% of people live in these "subsidised" HDB flats - they enjoy leasehold ownership for life and can move up or down the ladder if they wish.

    Many families aspire to move to the private sector (condos / or landed property) as soon as they can to show they have "arrived" and I believe HDB flats are not available to high earners (but this is detail).

    The point is Singapore recognises that a Government has a responsibility to see that everyone has reasonable shelter available. Successive governments in the UK have been asleep at the wheel since the council houses were sold off; and as the rental sector is generally regarded as dismal, home ownership became the only game in town.

    My solution is perhaps a bit of wishful thinking - but logically sound: renting in the UK needs to be made at least as attractive to people as owning.

    It is that simple. Everything flows from giving people a real alternative to buying their shelter. Prices should normalise around capitalised rents. (If prices do diverge, then people have a real choice not to play the speculation game and rent instead - buyer beware.)

    Rents, provided there is sufficient supply, can only ever increase in line with take home wages - this is indisputable.

    Of course we know why renting has been relegated to a second class option - because it suits so many vested interests (including existing home owners, or so they think). But with a healthier rental market, more people would be able to see if it made financial sense to buy and if not choose to rent instead.

    So in summary, renting needs to be made less shit and this can be a purely political decision.

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