I have to say, the likes of KOTC and TTRTR, have taken awful abuse over the months - i wonder why the hell they post on here. I think I would have sought more pleasant company a long time ago. I think most of us have a VI one way or another as I can't imagine what a genuinely neutral party would see in spending time - other than a passing interested glance - on such a forum. I definately agree with KOTC, few of us can claim the moral high ground.