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cock-eyed octopus

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  1. You seem to live in a very strange world, one I don't recognise. Everyone I've ever met has a lot of empathy & compassion built into them. I grew up in a very working class environment, with the emphasis on working. People who improved their lot didn't do so by clambering over the bodies of the poor, they did it by being enterprising, hard working & sometimes having a bit of luck (or not having bad luck). I think perhaps that's why the working class tend to despise those with views such as yours; they are portrayed as evil face-grinders when all they're trying to do is make a better life for themselves & those they love - & are prepared to help those who are genuinely down on their luck.
  2. There's always a tension between greed for more & knowing it has to be paid for, otherwise Labour would win every election. With Brexit there are are many factors involved. Nationally we're feeling subordinated to a bunch of bureaucrats even further removed than Parliament. And many people are getting worse off while we're in the EU, so for them there's no direct financial incentive to remain. But as I say there are many factors at play.
  3. I'd say rentierism & financialisation are symptoms rather than causes. Increasingly the only function of the bulk of the population is to be consumers. They are no longer required for production.
  4. The lie that has been promulgated since at least WW2 is that we can have ever increasing living standards while working less & less to obtain them. This is in fact partially true because of technology. But unfortunately technology concentrates wealth into fewer & fewer hands. So to counteract this, wealth redistribution is attempted via taxation. Unfortunately this doesn't raise enough revenue & the shortfall is made up by ever increasing borrowing. This happens under governments of any stripe. Any party that doesn't promise the electorate ever increasing living standards is going to have a hard time competing with one that does.
  5. And I repeat, every GE is based on fantasy. Labour does it every election, saying we can fund ever increasing state spending with no consequences. All politicians make undeliverable promises; it's one of the main reasons the economy is running unsustainable debt.
  6. You could say that about every GE ever. No government sticks to its promises. Every GE, every referendum, is a snapshot of the electorate's opinion of the competing arguments at that moment. That opinion is then acted upon. Our opinion was to leave the EU.
  7. Every GE contains issues too complex for the electorate to understand. So democracy never works. Therefore we should only allow the people who do understand it to make decisions for us. Except nobody understands. If they did they could accurately predict the course of future events. So I'm sticking with democracy.
  8. No it doesn't. You think everything makes your point, especially when it doesn't. We were asked if we wanted to stay in the present relationship. We didn't.
  9. You think leaving your lover is simple? It can make or break people. Lead to suicide or a far better life. Compared to the accommodations we make with each other to stay in a working relationship I'd say the way the EU views the world is pretty simplistic. So yeah, it's not like leaving your lover ...
  10. If you're in an unhappy relationship you don't need to know exactly where you'll end up, you just want out. You know the starting point. You weigh up the risks/rewards of moving somewhere else. Then you stay or go.
  11. The 'new deal' does not include EU interference in our freedom, our laws ... pretty much everything. That is the point. The 'new deal' is solely an economic one.
  12. Incorrect. Remain includes a defined deal but contains many other implied factors as I explained. Economics is only part of it ; that's the problem - the EU has conflated a whole lot of other issues with purely economic ones.
  13. As I explained before 'remain' or 'leave' are labels for a whole complex set of factors. These factors were debated extensively prior to the referendum; one of them being the question of our economic relation to the EU, i.e. what sort of deal could be done. As I also explained, there is the problem of incommensurables, i.e. how do you compare factors like freedom, sovereignty, economic prosperity etc. Remainers seem to place economic prosperity above all else, leavers generally have different priorities.
  14. Where was a deal mentioned on the ballot paper? Stay or go. We voted to go.
  15. Well, old flower, my original contention was that QT panels (& the BBC interviews generally) contain approx. twice as many remainers as leavers. Nothing to do with Farage. Just observing the beeb's bias. Now run along & play with the traffic, there's a dear.
  16. No I was only talking over the last couple of years. Actually that means his appearances were less than 32. A lot less in fact. From jonB2's link: We’re no Beeb bashers and clearly they’ve picked up the public sentiment on this by easing off on the Farage appearances since 2016. also Prime Minister Theresa May (26), Brexit Secretary David Davis (26) and International Trade Secretary Liam Fox (20) and Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson (13). Major figures in the last Labour government, such as Harriet Harman (26), Peter Hain (28), and Douglas Alexander (23). Former Lib Dem leaders Menzies Campbell (30) and Charles Kennedy (26). Former First Minister of Scotland Alex Salmond (22). So it's not as if he's had multiple appearances c.f everyone else. Are you denying that since the referendum remainers have significantly (about 2:1) outnumbered leavers? (I suspect that's because of the balance in Parliament BTW).
  17. Two or three out of the four, yes - or saying we shouldn't have voted to leave.
  18. 32 appearances 32 How many panels have there been on QT? 100?, 200? Multiply by 5. That's 500 minimum. 32/500 = ..... not a lot. So how does that affect the fact that 60-80% of panelists each week are remainers??
  19. The occasional Farage appearance hardly tips the balance. I've never seen more than 2 leavers out of 5 on any Question Night panel, usually you're lucky to get one.
  20. On any given day the remain camp will outnumber the leavers by 2:1. Sky's even worse.
  21. https://unherd.com/2019/01/brexits-unheard-voices/ "The cynic in me wonders if this is the conceivably intentional no-platforming of non-white Brexit voters whose attitudes are at odds with the media’s dominant narrative. Could it be an orchestrated effort that seeks to portray the Leave result as precipitated by nostalgic, left-behind, lesser-educated, misinformed white working-class folk – low-resourced “simpletons” driven by their irrational jingoistic impulses? In short, is it a Remain plot? I would like to think not, but either way, the use of vox pops in ‘Brexit Britain’ shows that the media cannot be fully trusted to delve into why important political and social events, such as the Leave vote in June 2016, take place. The appetite for thorough investigation and reporting realities has increasingly given way to the peddling of simplistic narratives. In the case of Brexit, the dominant media narratives fail spectacularly in capturing the complex nature of British euro-scepticism. Brexit has exposed an unfortunate reality – that the media’s commitment to reporting the facts, pure and simple, leaves a lot to be desired. And while this could be the product of bad journalism and poor research, there is also the possibility that that its ‘research and inform’ function has been usurped by a role as ‘narrative manufacturers’. And that’s a big worry."
  22. Whereas a second referendum is the response of a cornered remainer. And I'm afraid I don't believe you've been anything else. Who decides the 2nd referendum is done properly? Ah yes. You.
  23. Leaving the political & judicial institutions of the EU, including the Single Market & the Customs Union.
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