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Young couple I know both early to mid twenties. Not yuppies she's a child minder he's semi skilled.living with parents are completing next Monday on a place 20 miles away as that's all they could afford. They don't care about Brexit. All their lives they've only seen it go up and be propped up.

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oh, I would love that too. Im older, lazier and have a four year old. However, theres allways something to be done anyway. saw a place last weekend. the bloke has done it up immaculate, not a smear of paint on a froseted window in sight. Trouble is its way to flashy for our tastes. white and black harlequin tiles floor in kitche. high gloss. roll top bath in the middle of the bathroom. so i would have to pay him 100k more for all his hard work and live in a house that, allbeit modern. still looks over the top to me. and isnt as functional as I would like anyway. The money we save easily pays for labourers and decorators. and you get it how you want it.

Thats pretty much exactly waht mine was like when i moved in. over the last 10 years we have room by room sorted it out to our taste. which is pretty much a viewer with no imaginations dream. All those things are seen as a positive to the savvy buyer. as it drives away the numpties and they are much better value. I used to laugh at the 'House doctor' programs. Dickheads look round a dated house with crappy wallpaper and swirly carpets and toungue and groove kitchen celing. Come out shaking their head, get interviewd byt he 'doctor'. And claim they they wouldnt with a bargepole ( usually they were upgrading, irony?). cue a weels cleaning and whitewashign everywhere. same dickheads view it again. all smiles and now they admit ( actually admit!) that they will pay full asking. Its liked getting raped and thanking the rapist! LOL Im selling mine right now. it was valued at 309000 in 2007. its now valued at 270000. the places im looking to upsize to ahve gone down closer to 80k. Weve had 8 viewings and viewed 4. A long process I imagine. I will happily knock another 100k off of mine if I can get my new place to do the same. I think sometimes people on here get it into their heads that sellers are cashing in and are going to no longer need a shelter. By far the majority of sellers are just moving house.

Tommy Cooper you muppet. Tommy trinder was years before. Ive seen clips of him in early recordings of the palladium shows. he was one of the last guard of the music halls and as such looked utter shite. I belive his catch was '' hes down again mother''.

Posted 16 May 2010 - 06:57 PM When I first joined here in jan 08. I questioned the forum group mentality that is wasnt 'different this time' and was called a troll because of it. In fact I was then and am now overall bearish. But I wasnt convinced that there would be this huge early 90s style crash for a few reasons: 1) Way more concerted vested interest. ( including a mad PM that actually wanted high house prices. 2) Way more media coverage than previous times ( Kirsty Phil) 3) This was my big warning. The sheer amount of bitter buyers to be waiting for a crash just to buy . ( That will undepin any falls) As time went on and I read more on here. I became more and more convinced that property prices were unsustainable. And that the general feel of the forum was correct ( if they could just hold back from buying the drops) And we have had drops of course. A year of them. But then some rises in a thin market. Definatley not the late 80s early 90s crash. But I lived and owned in that one too. and it was about 5 years peak to trough. So perhaps expectations on here were a bit unrealistic. Driven I thought ( and still do) by desperation of many posters that they would never be able to buy unless property values halved. ( a lot of regulars caved in last year and bought). So I figured that depsite the bile and bitterness of some against 'sheeple' and ''baby boomers' and home owners in general the sentiment was very much a buying one. just a ''Not at this level' attitude. There seemed to be a hatred of people that had already doen exactly what some of the more vocal posters wanted to do themselves. But what I hadnt banked on ( and most of the aforementioned guys hadnt either) was the sheer madness of a Govt that would stop at nothing to prop up a housing bubble/indebted economy/ by slash interest rates, printing money, bailing out Home builders, stopping repossions, bailing out banks. BUT now its all stopped. The game is up. They are out. The party you lot need is now in. They neither have the inclination or perhaps more importantly the money ( line of credit) to keep it propped up. This times, there NOTHING that can stop house prices reverting to mean. I truly belive it. Hold the faith my bitter and impatient brothers. Your time has come!

actually, its quite common. reminds me of the old phrase ' its always darkest before the dawn' when youve been waiting so long, and its been so hard, for something to come good. its very easy to give in just near the end. traders expereince this when they run their bad positions 10 times further than they run their good ones. always easier to sit and do nothing when your screwed anyway. soon as u see a fighting chance and its coming your way, thats when the jitter kick in. I imaagine the Op is expereincing this, compunded with having to move yet again.

[iMarkets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solventi] what many on here have bene saying since the beginning has been right, and is proving to be true. its been a shock to al how far the madness wentand just bizarre that govts would wish it to continue.

I dont think he expects them to listen. he wants them to worry about what WE are listening to.

small willy?

Very kind of you TIM. You may be suprised to hear this but your not the only one ( think what site your on ): Posted 16 May 2010 - 06:57 PM When I first joined here in jan 08. I questioned the forum group mentality that is wasnt 'different this time' and was called a troll because of it. In fact I was then and am now overall bearish. But I wasnt convinced that there would be this huge early 90s style crash for a few reasons: 1) Way more concerted vested interest. ( including a mad PM that actually wanted high house prices. 2) Way more media coverage than previous times ( Kirsty Phil) 3) This was my big warning. The sheer amount of bitter buyers to be waiting for a crash just to buy . ( That will undepin any falls) As time went on and I read more on here. I became more and more convinced that property prices were unsustainable. And that the general feel of the forum was correct ( if they could just hold back from buying the drops) And we have had drops of course. A year of them. But then some rises in a thin market. Definatley not the late 80s early 90s crash. But I lived and owned in that one too. and it was about 5 years peak to trough. So perhaps expectations on here were a bit unrealistic. Driven I thought ( and still do) by desperation of many posters that they would never be able to buy unless property values halved. ( a lot of regulars caved in last year and bought). So I figured that depsite the bile and bitterness of some against 'sheeple' and ''baby boomers' and home owners in general the sentiment was very much a buying one. just a ''Not at this level' attitude. There seemed to be a hatred of people that had already doen exactly what some of the more vocal posters wanted to do themselves. But what I hadnt banked on ( and most of the aforementioned guys hadnt either) was the sheer madness of a Govt that would stop at nothing to prop up a housing bubble/indebted economy/ by slash interest rates, printing money, bailing out Home builders, stopping repossions, bailing out banks. BUT now its all stopped. The game is up. They are out. The party you lot need is now in. They neither have the inclination or perhaps more importantly the money ( line of credit) to keep it propped up. This times, there NOTHING that can stop house prices reverting to mean. I truly belive it. Hold the faith my bitter and impatient brothers. Your time has come!

Your too kind. Im around, mostly read posts. Dont have too much interest in arguing the toss over what 'velocity of money' ''really means''

When I first joined here in jan 08. I questioned the forum group mentality that is wasnt 'different this time' and was called a troll because of it. In fact I was then and am now overall bearish. But I wasnt convinced that there would be this huge early 90s style crash for a few reasons: 1) Way more concerted vested interest. ( including a mad PM that actually wanted high house prices. 2) Way more media coverage than previous times ( Kirsty Phil) 3) This was my big warning. The sheer amount of bitter buyers to be waiting for a crash just to buy . ( That will undepin any falls) As time went on and I read more on here. I became more and more convinced that property prices were unsustainable. And that the general feel of the forum was correct ( if they could just hold back from buying the drops) And we have had drops of course. A year of them. But then some rises in a thin market. Definatley not the late 80s early 90s crash. But I lived and owned in that one too. and it was about 5 years peak to trough. So perhaps expectations on here were a bit unrealistic. Driven I thought ( and still do) by desperation of many posters that they would never be able to buy unless property values halved. ( a lot of regulars caved in last year and bought). So I figured that depsite the bile and bitterness of some against 'sheeple' and ''baby boomers' and home owners in general the sentiment was very much a buying one. just a ''Not at this level' attitude. There seemed to be a hatred of people that had already doen exactly what some of the more vocal posters wanted to do themselves. But what I hadnt banked on ( and most of the aforementioned guys hadnt either) was the sheer madness of a Govt that would stop at nothing to prop up a housing bubble/indebted economy/ by slash interest rates, printing money, bailing out Home builders, stopping repossions, bailing out banks. BUT now its all stopped. The game is up. They are out. The party you lot need is now in. They neither have the inclination or perhaps more importantly the money ( line of credit) to keep it propped up. This times, there NOTHING that can stop house prices reverting to mean. I truly belive it. Hold the faith my bitter and impatient brothers. Your time has come!

not quite worked tho mate. as the peasants dont work, and we just have to keep supporting them.

I wonde what you guys think of this? its hardly an original thought I know, but due to my employment putting me in a position of trust amongst people of all social/economic classes. I keep coming back to this: the welfare state has encouraged the very least amongst us to reproduce the most. I am constantly meeting young single mothers that have no job, have never even mentioned job or career to me. they have a boyfriend that 'lives with his parents' yeh sure. they get given a flat and benefit. the thing is these are often well spoken, intelligent girls, that could have made thier way. but they are of an area or generation that has worked out that its actually less risky to have the baby now, and you WILL get looked after. I meet the more middle class kids, they are struggling to rent a place, worried about work etc. ( by kids im mean anyone under 21, as im so old) and cant afford kids/ marriage. the former have huge families and all live close to each other with loads of kids. the latter much smaller families. often because they simply think they cant afford it. an example even closer to home. young couple a few doors down. under 22. 4 kids aged 3 to 7. housing benefit is paying for a 4 bed sem worth 300k even today. both have never worked and no intention of working. the kids go to school. they arent a 'bad' family. but lets face it. the girls will watch and learn and drop sprogs early to get on the 'state housing ladder' jeez even the grans only about 40. they arent likely to contribute much. but just over the road , young couple. recent baby. both having to work. its our societies fault.