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  1. Disgraceful. Disgraceful that public servants are threatened by lawbreakers who think they have a god given right to inconvenience everybody else with their stinking pollutionmobile. The money should be recovered by increased taxation on motorists or by doubling parking fines.
  2. Quite right. One illicit kicking delivered by coppers, warrants a millitary coup against the democratically elected government. It is a quite unprecedented event. I for one am scandalised.
  3. I'm not sure if I share your faith, but it is true that a lot of checks and balances exist within the system. I feel that our constitutional set up would leave us more open to a dictatorship of the right than the left (in as far as those labels still have any meaning). This is due to the conservative nature of the armed forces, police and press and the ease of converting the BBc into a government mouthpiece if it were to become necessary. The army were quickly convinced to kill civilians in Ulster, I feel sure they could be convinced of a similar "terrorist" threat on the mainland. But at the min, I don't see any indication of this happening at the moment.
  4. 3. The abolish entire tiers of local government when the voters have the temerity to vote against the ruling party. No wait, the Tories actually did that one... This government has a slight authoritarian streak which should be opposed, but it pales into insignificance when compared with the Thatcher years (though Major was probably more liberal than both). So can we all please stop hysterically shriking "dictatorship", when all we're seeing is a moderately (or worse, jury still out) incompetent government trying (and probably failing) to deal with very difficult times.
  5. Yeah doesn't look too good does it? I'm gonna wait to see what happens there before I make up my mind.
  6. For all staff at GCHQ, trade union membership was made illegal In the case of striking miners, who were prevented from entering Notts, New age travellers were prevented from going near stonehenge spycatcher The police used violence against people innocent of any crime on many occasions in the 80's. They viciously beat peacefully protesting miners (also miners who used violence in self-defence). New age travellers. Greenham Common women. Anti-poll tax demonstrators. Random young people in Liverpool and London prior to, during, and after the riots. I would love to see what she would have done to the whinging fuel protesters in 2001. The police simply do not use these tactics any more, thanks in large part to John Major's government. I'm not reponsible for your ignorance. In Tunisia, if you wrote the kind of criticism of the government that I have voiced on this thread you would lose your job and probably have your computer smashed. If you wrote the kind of criticism you have voiced you would be imprisoned and tortured. In the place I live now you would probably be killed. If that is what you understand by a totalitarian regime, how the hell can you compare Brown to Hitler?
  7. Maybe a Socialist would say that, if they did they would be wrong. I never said the sale of council houses was illiberal, just [email protected] stupid. However, making it illegal to join a Trade Union, limiting freedom of movement between counties, banning books and attacking unarmed civillians for political reasons are illiberal measures. These were the examples I gave and you chose not to read. These attacks on individual freedoms were more severe than those practised by the current government, with the possible exception of the extended detention period for terrorist suspects. I wonder how old YOU are if you are unaware that these things happened on the Wicked Witch's watch. I lived for a year in Tunisia under the dictatorial regime of president Ben Ali. I'm unwilling to reveal my other experience as doing so will cause me problems.
  8. Destroyed the real economy, bet too much on North Sea oil, sold off the infrastructure to rip off merchants and pissed the money up the wall, handed over a post industrial financial services depended economy to Blair. Blair should have sorted it out but didn't, this crisis was made in the Thatcher/Reagan years and has the cold dead handprints of Keith Joseph on it.
  9. So illiberal measures are ok as long as they are against socialists? Thanks for proving the point I made in my first post: "as for the illiberality of the government, I'm against it, but it pales in comparison with the covert subversion of the opposition which took place under the tories, and I bet you lot were cheering that on" Whether they were beneficial or not is by the by; they were illiberal measures which limited the freedoms of ordinary British people far more than anything Blair or Brown have pulled out of their @rses. Never said I'd suffered, in fact I've done quite well out of it, but I've lived under the rule of presidents Ben Ali and Voldemort*. I know what dictatorship is, and I know what it feels like. The only place in Western Europe today which has that kind of atmosphere is Italy, and still only a little, less than what England felt like before the poll-tax riots put the goverment back in its box a bit. *Not his real name, but I ain't typing it where I am now.
  10. Can't say it's been fun, but he's the best of a bad lot. If Hughes or Cable was in charge of the Libs, maybe I'd vote for them.
  11. All elected politicians carried the popular vote, very few of them go on to commit genocide and start wars of aggression (though Tony Blair did the latter). Are you suggesting that Brown will do this? Why? Evidenceles psychobabble aside, Hitler showed a few more signs of the danger he posed, attempting coups and calling for wars of expansion being a couple of them. The crisis is passing nobody by, but it is and will be much less severe in those economies that have retained large scale social housing (thereby restricting national credit bubbles), and retained manufacturing capacity and other facets of a real economy. MI5 subversion of the miners strike. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_miners%27_...r-subversion.22 Tory attempts to surpress CND with black propaganda and intimidation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CND#Conservative_opposition Removing trade Union rights from government employees. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GCHQ#Trade_union_disputes Unlimited stop and search powers for police http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sus_Laws Banning books http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spy_Catcher The use of the police as a political force to crush alternative culture and opposition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_beanfield http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_miners%27_...vernment_action And these are just the examples that came to mind quickly... I'm a man who's lived in various dictatorships and knows a dictator when he sees one. I haven't voted labour since '97, but Brown is convincing me to give him a shot, and according to recent polls there are a few like me. If he ditches ID cards he'll probably get my vote. I don't expect him to fix the economy, Thatcher, Major and Blair (and, to be fair Chancellor Brown) have left it in too much of a mess for that, but I don't want The Eton Rifles running the show through a depression.
  12. Are you really comparing Brown to Hitler? What absolute imbecility. Brown is a bad Prime Minister, but he is a better one than his 3 predecessors. The economic crisis we are suffering now is affecting all the deregulatory thatcherite economies, and passing by the more socialistic Franco-German-Scandi block (with the exception of neoliberal Iceland). So who do you think we can blame for the UK's plight? Clue: She's a whiskey reaking bottle blonde who can't remeber her kids' names. And as for the illiberality of the government, I'm against it, but it pales in comparison with the covert subversion of the opposition which took place under the tories, and I bet you lot were cheering that on... Well, that's my piece; I think I'll let you pathetic numpties get back to fantasizing about murdering the father of a young family.
  13. What are you on? I was at lakeside shopping centre last week and the place was DEAD. But not only that, the ROYAL BANK OF SCOTLAND cash machine had run out of cash. I then walked past a Jewellers which HAD RUN OUT OF GOLD. Continuing on my way, I stopped and peered in a dusty shop window, only to see a drunk estate agent tying a rope to the light fitting, with a look of grim resolution on his unshaven face. Hearing music, I headed towards its source, John Lewis's. As I walked through the door I beheld decadent seens reminiscent of the last days of the Third Reich. Shop assistents cavorted naked and drunk whilst cleaners drank ransacked booze and snorted cocaine. One drunken old loon crawled to wards me with a look of exultation on his face... "The customer!" He cried broken voiced and manic "The customer has come! We are saved!" He wore a name badge sying "James Arkwright. Store Manager." He had soiled himself. As I ran disgusted for the door he cried out, his voice like a man damned "Come Back customer! 15% percent off all tableware!" Soooo.... It just goes to show. We're all going to hell in a handbasket... Broon... Nu Liebour... etc. etc. etc.
  14. Latin and English are both descended from Indo-European, the ancestor of many languages which are spoken from China to Portugal, and subsequently brought to other continents by Europeans and Asians. English is not descended from Latin, nor particularly closely related, but contains many loan-words from Latin (usually "posh" vocab). English's closer relative German lacks many of these words, which is one of the main differences between the languages. If you look at English you see we have two words for lots of things (investigate/look into, help/aid, break/fracture) the posh one being like a Latin word, and the everyday one like a German word. Hebrew's nowt to do with it.
  15. Very good idea, Orwellian in the best sense of the word From Politics and the English language, 1946.
  16. The reason Injin holds to this daft "land can't be owned" argument is that he is well aware that without a coherent theory for the creation of property Anarcho-Capitalism/Libertarianism falls apart, and it is very difficult to maintain such a theory without arguing that land can't be owned. It only moves the philosophical argument a step further down the line though; by cutting down the tree you are initiaiting force against future users of the tree (future lumberjacks or landscape painters), or passive users of the tree (people who like to sit under it for example or like breathing oxygen or hunt the birds that live in it). His beliefs are just a silly little intellectual *****, all be it better thought out than most "libertarian" theories.
  17. If it's not yours then you have no right to deprive the rest of humanity of its only use by cutting it down. Your right to use the tree must be governed by a system of values, whether your arbitrary "finders keepers" theory, or a utilitarian system based on the greatest good of the greatest number, or a system based on the colour of the lumberjack's skin or whatever. Property is just a matter of what others recognise, or more often, are forced to recognise by MEN WITH GUNS.
  18. Go on Injin, why are the countries with less restrictions on capital stronger than those without? I understand your philosophical point of view, that property is sacred etcetera, though I disagree completely, but I want a practical answer. Why do those states who restrict the movement of capital, and do not follow the liberal orthodoxy of the US and UK, have stronger economies? It would seem that capitalism makes a mess of things unless it's tightly controlled.
  19. You are completely wrong. The problem we have are excessvely free markets. Look at the countries with strict financial controls on lending and capital movement, and strong economies (Russia, China, India, Brazil, France, Germny) and you will see that they are in much better shape than our less regulated economies, they have been bank-rolling the UK, US and Spain for 10 years. We are now massively in debt to them because of the neo-liberal dogmatic policies our thatcherite governments have followed, when everything indicates the free market is a failure, why would you think we need to extend it? What we need is heavy dose of cynicism towards the idiots in the city who have told us that their way was the only way, and in the process destroyed our economy, I hope VC can be part of that. Vince Cable for PM, Larry Elliot for Chancellor of the Exchequer.
  20. Then you fek off out the country, advise your friends and relatives to deny your existenece and start a new life somewhere less inbred, debt-free. Student loans currently don't appear on your credit record, BTW.
  21. He means The Bell Curve, Charles Murray's very poor book, rather than the distributive phenomenon.
  22. Careful claiming anything Charles Murray says is worth paying the blindest bit of attention to. Any work depending on IQ scores is so inherently flawed that it's probably not even worth reading, and Murray's methodology is dubious at best. Also, how has it been proved that "free markets work really really well" when you keep telling everyone they've never been tried? The only places I can think of which have unregulated free markets, Somalia (genuine) and Napoli (de facto) are disaster areas.
  23. You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that economics is a science. Economics is pretty much useless for making specific predictions because there are two many variables for models to take them all into account. You could do a pilot study, but that would be unethical and wouldn't be able to measure macroeconomic effects.
  24. There has always been a large part of society in insecure employment (excepting during the period 1950-1976), Marx used the terms "lumpenproletariat" and "reserve army of labour" to describe them. Before the welfare state, they died of hunger in times of economic crisis (usually just the sick, the children and the elderly, but sometimes the adults too). You'd need a bit more than a policy document from the Adam Smith Institute to convince me that removing the safety net was a good idea.
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