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  1. And people with your outlook on life are the very reason the majority of this country must stand together against rascist nazis like yourself for the future of a rich diverse multi cultural open society that offers so much good

    You I assume are a BNP supporter and my belief in why the party must be fought tooth and nail is maintained

    Can you not see the logical contradiction in your argument?

    If asylum seekers come here because they are fleeing the oppression of their native cultures, then why on earth would they want those selfsame cultures to be adopted by this country?

    The very reason asylum seekers come here is BECAUSE of the British culture. Why then destroy the very culture they have come to in search of freedom by bringing with them the repressive culture they have fled?

    Honestly, not all cultures are equal. If they were, there would be no such thing as an asylum seeker.

    Some cultures really are better than others. The British culture happens to be one such. But not if those who flee repressive cultures bring with them the very culture from which they flee and seek to impose it on the indigenous British culture!


  2. I live in the South East. My grandfathers both served in the second world war to fight the Nazis and all that was wicked and wretched about their aims to cleanse a nation. Supporters of BNP immigration policies are pi$$ing on the memories of our forefathers.

    As a result I'm rather open to the idea of multi-culturism and the belief that we should have open borders to enable others to flee tyrany and seek opportunities to improve their lots.

    I don't buy the normal rant that anyone who is non-white is not British. The Brits are a mix of many previous races & nationalities. There's a reason why 80% of English language is rooted in the French language after all.

    Anyway, my point I was going to make is that I'd rather be surrounded by a bunch of highly motivated, educated Poles or Nigerians who show a good amount of get up and go and ambition than a bunch of layabout, slacking natives who do nothing buy spawn chavs and cheat the benefits system.

    If you are open to tuhe idea of multi-culturalism, why do you think that people flee repressive cultures to come here?

    Or do you really want to entertain, as having equal validity to British culture, a Taliban culture, an Albanian culture, or a fundamental Islamic culture with their attitudes to women and honour killings and women as the property of husbands and brothers?

    Why do people seek political asylum here if not that they are fleeing repressive cultures?

    Are you really saying that you want these repressive cultures to form a part of a multicultural Britain?

    Surely, the very reason people seek asylum here is because they want to enjoy our British culture and leave behind their repressive cultures. If that is not the case, then they are bogus asylum seekers since they are not really in fear of their lives.

  3. It's a misconception that computers 'solve' problems, no matter how fast they are. Computers do what they are told, very quickly, they do not 'think' or 'solve'.

    Computers can solve basic mathematical problems that beforetime would take years to solve. That allows technological advances.

    You could ask a computer to predict how long the World's oil will last, say. But you have tell it how to work it out (we have this much in the ground and we use this much a day and there is this probability that this much more will be found), and then it works it out, quickly. But if you don't tell it what to do, then it is less than useless.

    I was speaking of advances in mathematics which could springboard new technology.

    And I don't quite understand what "previously untought of problems will find easy solutions" means, no matter how hard I think. :huh:

    Sometimes a problem doesn't become evident until the means exist to solve the problem.

    Space travel, for instance, would not even have been conceived of when mathematics was dependent on logarithms.

    It was the advance in mathematics that initiated the concept of space travel and then gave the solution.

    Perhaps I am not explaining myself very well.

    If that is the case, I apologise.

    Edited to add:

    Consider, for instance, the search for prime numbers which even today, with computers operating in tandem, can take years.

    If the process were speeded up through super-duper fast computers not yet invented, imagine what might be discovered.

    Here's just a little taster.

    New Pattern Found in Prime Numbers

  4. Surely, the point is that the rumour was believable. Had that not been the case it would never have taken wing.

    It is that kind of uncertainty that markets hate and which can be so undermining of a currency - as if there were not already sufficient fundamentals to do the job.

    Gordon Brown must step down if he has the interest of the country at heart.

    Until he does, uncertainty will be the order of the day and it will be reflected in GBP. (And that doesn't stand for Gordon Brown Pounds, either, although it might just as well while he continues his dithering.)

  5. I bumped into a very scary UKIP convassor last Saturday. Blue rinse Tory defect who thinks DC is not fascist enough.

    I simply asked what was wrong with Europe. The answer I got was name 5 things that are right with Europe

    I replied

    1) Working Time directive - for example positive impact on reducing junior doctors hours from the absurd 100+ before

    You are joking, aren't you?

    Working hours directive 'will put lives at risk in hospital'

    The UK's top surgeon has claimed that patients lives will be put at risk and hospitals forced to close because of new European rules that will limit the hours doctors can work.

    Published: 9:44AM BST 31 May 2009

    John Black, president of the Royal College of Surgeons, said the European Working Time Directive (EWTD) would be catastrophic for the NHS.

    The EWTD, which fully comes into force on August 1, limits the number of hours doctors and surgeons can work each week to 48 but doctors and especially junior doctors often work longer hours than this.

    Writing in the Mail On Sunday he said: "Unless the Government comes to its senses the result will be catastrophic for the NHS with patient safety on a knife edge, surgeons not being properly trained, waiting lists going up again and even hospitals closing.

    "We have already reached the point where patients' health has been endangered. There is a serious risk of units in hospitals having to close to emergencies, with resulting chaos, not to mention the danger and inconvenience brought about by patients going long distances to a hospital that has enough staff to stay open.

    "This is truly a nightmare, and I despair that the Government will not take action."

    Earlier this week research was published revealing that junior doctors were being asked to lie about their working hours to meet new the new European rules.

    A survey of 31,360 junior doctors who were compliant "on paper" with new limits on their working week, found that one in 10 had been asked to submit that data even though the hours they worked were actually longer.

    Of the 3,938 junior doctors who said their hours were not compliant "on paper", 17% said they had been asked to submit hours that showed they were in line with the new rules.

    A Department of Health spokesman said: "Everyone's overriding objective is the quality and safety of patient care. We are also concerned for our workforce and the hours they work and we want to provide doctors and all NHS staff with a good work life balance.

    "The NHS has been implementing the EWTD for 10 years and we know that two thirds of junior doctors are already complying with the directive by working 48 hours per week averaged over 26 weeks. However, we recognise that in some cases the challenges for a small number of services may be greater which is why a notification for derogation was made in January to the European Commission.

    "We are listening to concerns and closely monitoring the situation and providing expert support.

    "The NHS will achieve compliance by August 1 and we will continue to support trusts to achieve this.

    "Where there are problems, we will work together with the professions and staff on the ground to implement sustainable solutions. Clinical leadership and innovation is key to achieving positive outcomes."

    And that's only a part of the problem. Under the Working Time Directive, junior doctors will not get sufficient practical experience and thus will make poor consultants, endangering patients' lives. Moreover, it is only the UK that insists on implementing EU directives to the letter. Most other EU countries either ignore them if they make no sense or implement them only in part.

    Don't forget, junior doctors are not arm-twisted into entering the profession. They are (were) aware of the long hours involved, as much as they are aware of the significant rewards that come with being a consultant. They DO have a choice not to enter the profession. But to suddenly cut the hours that junior doctors are allowed to work undermines a system of training and experience that will have disastrous results for patients.

    Imo the UKIP rep who accosted you had it right.

  6. i didn't get a voting card!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    although i might have thrown it out.....

    so i am feeling deprived of all the fun.

    fortunatly i dont actally want to vote, but i still feel like im missing out, like theres a sucking sensation in my stomach.

    so i clicked the Spoilt Vote option.

    I so hope this poll is representative of whats happening.

    So do I!

    Wouldn't it be great to see UKIP beat Labour?

  7. Ahh yes. Utilities and council tax. The hidden tax on home ownership and impossible to avoid (unless you're an MP)

    This has been the trend over the last few years while not increasing income tax was a manifesto promise. It seemed like a good idea to load all the stealth taxes on home owners. After all they were making a fortune from rising values and hardly anyone noticed the increases.

    Add the landfill tax, aggregates tax, stamp duty, planning application fees, residents parking tax, support your local authority pensions tax and it begins to mount up.

    Too right! And utility bills and council tax eat up a huge proportion income. OAPs are expecially hard hit. It really is heat or eat. As for council tax, it's a killer for pensioners who have a little over the savings limit (through scrimping and saving for retirement all their lives) so that they cannot claim any pension guarantee credit or council tax benefits. Worse still, their meagre savings now attract so little interest and thus income that they'd be far better off never having saved for their retirement.

    Our MPs don't have a clue. As for their gold-plated pensions .... words fail me!

  8. Here is the email I got from UKIP:

    Is this just a case of people being thick?

    I'd be interested to hear from someone who has already voted whether this IS the case or whether there is a genuine problem. When my OH first showed me the text from UKIP I was inclined to think like you - people being thick. But the email seems to suggest there is more to it than that.

    What does anyone who has seen the ballot paper think?

  9. And, ironically, the way mine was folded this morning, the very first party you see at the top of the page is the BNP! :lol:

    Lol! Ironic, indeed.

    I haven't seen the ballot papers yet, although my OH says they are a yard long! I have to wait until this evening to vote as I am taking along one of my youngsters who will be voting for the first time. He is concerned that not understanding the PR MEP ballot paper he will make a mess of it and vote for Labour or something worse - if that is possible!

  10. Perhaps by looking directly at the problem of harnessing energy we are looking in the wrong place for the next technological advance.

    I was talking about this thread to my OH (a retired engineer) last night, and he proposed that great technological advances are underpinned or made possible by advances in mathematics.

    Logarithms - industrial revolution

    Slide rule - flight/aeroplanes

    Computer - space travel

    Pre computers, solving a simultaneous differential equation could take seven months or more. Slide-rules brought this time down and computers can do the same calculation in seconds.

    What, I wonder, will supercede present day computers and what technological leap will they allow?

    Maybe a "light" computer - one that is so fast that previously unthought of problems will find easy solutions.

    Edited to add;

    Just as a matter of interest and a demonstration of how far we have advanced in the past 40 years, back in the 1970s I bought my husband his first calculator - from Harrods. It cost over �200 which was a huge amount of money in those days. Up until then he had used only a slide rule. It's almost unimaginable now. He still has his slide rule, too. Tomorrow's antique, no doubt.

    2nd edit to add "simultaneous" before "differential equation" - just been told I got it wrong! I really am no mathematician! Sorry!

  11. OK so you are a BNP Sympathiser then, I think we gathered that already.

    If you actually read my post you would have seen that I said that I sympathise with those who support the BNP on the basis of a concern for the relegation of British culture.

    Usual BNP misinformation presented as facts. Do you spend a lot of time on their website?

    No. I had never visited their site until yesterday when I looked up the mission statment that another poster quoted.

    US immigrants don't have to swear alligence to the flag.

    I think you'll find that in schools there is a daily ceremony pledging allegiance to the flag. This ensures that 2nd generation immigrants are integrated into American culture.

    Immigrants to the US swear alliegence to the Flag on taking citizenship just as new UK citizens have to swear an oath of alliegence to the Queen - thats always been the case, I can't see the difference (Although I think it's unfair to make them do this as subjects born in this country don't have to. )

    New citizens have to swear alligence - stop pretending they don't.

    As for 'putting an end to the nonsense of local Councils renaming Christmas as Winterval' - it dosent happen, so why make things make up? Unless you are deliberately perpetutating a lie in order to incite racial hatred by repeating the old canard that councils rebrand Christmas in order to appease Muslims?

    Campaign for a real Christmas: Religious leaders unite against political correctness

    Of course, Christmas is only a rebranding of the festival Sol Invictus (for one) and it's worth remembering that Christianity is not indigenous to these Isles. It comes from the same part of the world that Islam does - it just got here first.

    If you are looking for an example of an 'imported culture' Christianity fits the bill.

    There is evidence that Christianity came to Britain in the second century AD (Christianity and the Bible come to Great Britain and our legal system is based on Judeao-Christian laws, so I would hardly call it an imported culture.

    If you are convicted of rape in a court of law you have earnt yourself the title 'Rapist'.

    Similarly if you convicted of inciting racial hatred and are sentenced to 9 months in prison , as Nick Griffen has, you are a Racist. There is no 'IF' about

    I thought his conviction had to do with the distribution of holocaust denying material which I have already described several times as being an obnoxious view. I also thought he has since withdrawn from that pov - although I am only speaking from memory - I thought I had read something to that effect in the newspaper some while ago. However, I still think Griffin is a pretty unsavoury character.

    Moreover, as I said in my post, even IF the leadership is racist, that does not necessarily mean that all their supporters are racist. It seems to me that some have been driven towards the BNP because there is no other party that represents their concerns re multi-culturalism and the relegation of British culture.

    Please, do try to understand that I am not supporting the BNP per se but rather trying to understand why perfectly respectable and decent people from all walks of life, people without a rascist bone in their body, are prepared to vote for them.

    I just believe that the whole BNP issue and why people are voting for them deserves more than a knee-jerk reaction in the form of cries of "racists, racists." We need to look a little deeper and discover exactly why they are attracting support, and I don't believe it is largely to do with any racist views held by the majority of their supporters although I admit it will attract some of that type.

  12. I'm quite prepeared to believe there has been a 2.6% rise in house prices.

    Everything else is up - stock market, commodities, etc - so why not house prices? After all, they are still as much a speculative/investment vehicle as ever they were and still subject to the same irrationality that causes the less discerning would-be buyer to panic in case they miss the boat.

    The only salient question is whether or not this is a spring bounce/dead cat bounce or whether it signals a new bull market in property.

    I am inclined to believe the former.

    We haven't really even begun to see a fall-out from rising unemployment. Sooner or later that will affect house prices. And the economy is still contracting.

    I just can't believe that this is the beginning of a sustainable recovery in house prices. I expect house prices start falling again in the Fall!

  13. And fat as well if you look at their website. :lol: With a penchant for black bomber jackets. <_<

    The thing about the BNP is that they basically try to create a link between things that people feel are not right in society and ethnic minorities.

    So, for example, I am guessing we all came on this site because we are interested in cheaper housing. BNP advocates are very keen to point out that the reason that house prices are high is because there are too many immigrants chasing too few houses. They want you to HATE the immigrant for taking YOUR house (which is then probably paid for by the government with TAX taken from YOU).

    As we all know, there are many reasons for high house prices, but the main factor is the explosion in credit that has occurred over the course of the last few years. Hating immigrants will not clear up the amount of money that banks now owe – but it will get the BNP in power.

    And the holocaust did happen. We can argue over numbers but if you believe it did not happen, go and visit Auschwitz in Poland. When you get there, you think, hmm, nasty, there are ovens and barbed wire and all that stuff. But it is not very big. How could they have killed a lot of people here? In reality, Auschwitz was where they did ‘R&D’ around how to run a concentration camp, kill lots of people efficiently and get rid of the bodies. Then, a couple of miles further down the road, you get to Birkenau. This is a ‘proper’ concentration camp and the scale of it makes the hair on the back of your neck stand on end. One of the most poignant things I have seen in my life is the train line running in to the camp and the station – it gives you an idea of the industrial efficiency of the place.

    The thing is, Hitler initially built hatred towards the Jews based mainly on economical arguments. Look what happened next. Look what the BNP are trying to do.......

    Please see my post #113 where I say that denying the holocaust is obnoxious.

    I also don't think that economic arguments against immigration hold much water.

    What I believe the BNP is tapping into is a genuine public anger concerning the relegation of British culture from a commonality which binds us all - immigrants included - to that of one competing with imported cultures. I don't believe that helps the cause of integration; in fact, I think it positively encourages dis-integration.

    At least in the US, immigrants pledge allegiance to the flag and subscribe to the American ideal.

    In this country we no longer have any unifying cultural ideal. It has been subsumed by competing ideals adopted from competing incoming cultures.

    Now, if that is the public concern that the BNP is exploting (and I tend to believe it is) it is not unreasonable, at least, it doesn't seem so to me. It is also a concern that is not addressed by any of the major political parties, driving those people thus concerned into the arms of the BNP for want of any alternative.

    As I said before, I'm sure that the BNP also attracts some unsavoury, racist types just as the Labour party attracts communists. But does that make all BNP supporters racist?

    And if the leadership of the BNP is actually racist, then surely the best way to undermine any voter support they may attract is for the main political parties to address the genuine concerns that most of those attracted to the BNP have, namely concerns over the relegation of British culture. For instance, put an end to the nonsense of local authorities renaming Christmas "Winterval." Allow British culture to be dominant in schools, the workplace, hospitals and every other public institution. By all means make provision for the needs of minority cultures, but don't give them either an equal or, worse still, dominant position over British culture.

    Any society needs a dominant cultural ideal around which to unify. Multi-culturalism only causes factionism, competing ideals and laws, and eventually the disintegration of the society that embraces it.

    In short, multiracialism, yes; multiculturalism, no.

    And I repeat, I am not a BNP supporter, but I do have some sympathy for those who support the BNP on the basis of a concern for the relegation of British culture.

  14. But they are interested in skin colour - this 'culturism' thing you are talking about is just them dressing it up their hatred of non-whites in a way that might seem palatable to the people who can't see beyond the cynical ploy that it is. BNP = racist scumbag nutters, if I was in a position to vote, my priority would be keeping the BNP out before kicking labour out.

    Well, that's your opinion and you are totally entitled to hold it.

    I just disagree.

    I think their grouse is with culture and not race.

    They all seem to be a bit thick, though, so they probably find it a bit difficult to express themselves! Which is why I, intellectual snob that I am, could never bring myself to vote for them!

  15. He was convicted for printing article called 'The HoloHOAX'.

    In his defence he said:

    "I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the world is flat ... I have reached the conclusion that the 'extermination' tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria."

    You think he was speaking the truth?

    I agree that's obnoxious although I gather he has recanted.

    But can a leopard change its spots?

    I do have my doubts.

    I don't believe Griffin is the most savoury of characters, either.

    But I do believe he, and the BNP, has tapped into a fundamental and reasonable well of anger against the stupid ideal of multiculturalism that has led to the relegation of British culture and thus a cessation of integration in favour of competitive cultures.

  16. From the BNP website:

    Mission Statement

    The British National Party exists to secure a future for the indigenous peoples of these islands in the North Atlantic which have been our homeland for millennia.

    We use the term indigenous to describe the people whose ancestors were the earliest settlers here after the last great Ice Age and which have been complemented by the historic migrations from mainland Europe.

    The migrations of the Celts, Anglo-Saxons, Danes, Norse and closely related kindred peoples have been, over the past few thousands years, instrumental in defining the character of our family of nations.

    This is racism, pure and simple. I'm not sure how else it can be described.

    That was a bit of selective quoting, wasn't it.

    Here is the rest of the Mission Statement which you neglected to post.

    While we recognise the United Kingdom as a political entity, the BNP does not arrogantly seek to impose one set of Westminster dominated decisions across these nations. We embrace and cherish the native cultural diversity within the British Isles and wish to extend the concept of democracy to the lowest possible level, where those that are affected by a decision are the ones who influence and make the decision.

    Political battle

    The struggle to secure our future is being waged on many fronts. The need for political power is crucial to bring about our goals. Without effective political representation the majority of Britons, who are deeply concerned about the future, have no voice in the chambers where decisions are made. Increasingly numbers of voters are expressing apathy and discontent with the endless incompetence, lies,false promises and sleaze coming from the three parties that make up the Old Gang. The BNP will contest and win elections at council, parliamentary, Assembly or European level in order to achieve political power to bring about the changes needed.

    Torch bearers of culture

    The rich legacy of tradition, legend, myth and very real wealth of landscape and man-made structures is one of our island’s richest treasures. The men and women of the British National Party are motivated by love and admiration of the outpouring of culture, art, literature and the pattern of living through the ages that has left its mark on our very landscape. We value the folkways and customs which have been passed down through countless generations. We enthuse with pride at the marvels of architecture and engineering that have been completed on these islands since the construction of the great megaliths 7,000 years ago.


    Above and beyond our activities in the political world, we daily work with our people in their homes and communities addressing the fundamental issues of civil liberties and reverse discrimination. Increasingly our people are facing denial of service provision, failure to secure business contracts as well as poor job prospects as both reverse discrimination excludes our people from the school room, workplace and boardroom. A key role of the British National Party is to provide legal advice and support to victims of repression and those denied their fundamental civil rights.

    I'm not denying that racist elements of society may have attached themselves to the BNP, just as communists have always attached themselves to the Labour Party.

    But it still seems to me that the BNP, according to its mission statement, is a culturist party and not a racist party. I do not for one moment believe that they are interested in skin colour so much as cultural persuasion. In other words, if immigrants of any skin hue come to this country seeking asylum or to better their financial status, the BNP suggests that they should integrate with the indigenous population and respect their culture and not try to force on the indigenous population the cultures which they have found sufficiently unattractive to leave.

    Surely, what they are saying is, all are welcome, whatever race or colour, as long as British culture is respected as the defining culture of their chosen new home.

    If all that immigrants wish to do is bring with them the cultures they ostensibly left behind in favour of British culture, then why come here in the first instance?

  17. How do you feel about the position of those in that party who can't see the point in wasting money keeping alive the disabled?

    Please offer evidence that this is either an informal or formal BNP policy.

    Edited to add:

    I can't believe that I've been put in the position of defending the BNP!

    They are the last party I would vote for.

    However, for any newcomers who didn't read my initial post that caused me to be in this position, I asserted that the BNP is not racist but culturist.

    I am now dfending that position.

  18. http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.p...p2m-in-expenses

    He says they were to promote UKIP

    But do you trust someone who has openly committed fraud before?

    Any way, what good have UKIP done apart from steal tax payers money?

    The man stinks of slime.

    I'd prefer to trust a man who is attempting to counter the treachery of politicians who sold our country out to foreign governance than trust any politician who tries to plead the case of Euro-federalism.

    I'll take my chances with Farage against Euro-federalists any day.

  19. Because when I was young they were linked with the National Front.

    I can't remember the sequence of events - how the BNP took over from the NF if, indeed that was what occurred.

    In any event, isn't that a somewhat hidebound attitude? The same attitude that has people voting Labour forever because my mum and dad did and I've always done it, too?

    Surely there is room for reappraisal?

    Or will you forever rest on childhood prejudices to form your adult political opinions?

  20. Good post, but I think you're mistaken about the BNP's real agenda which has everything to do with skin colour and little to do with culture.

    Again, offer some reasoning as to why you have arrived at this conclusion.

    I have arrived at the conclusion that the BNP is culturist.

    Why have you and I drawn different conclusions from available evidence?

    What have I missed that you have not or vice versa?

  21. Just to clear this thorny issue up- they are, 100%.

    Hope that helps.


    I would be grateful if you could explain to me what you believe is contributed to the debate by a) taking my words out of context and b ) offering a soundbite response.



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