Quiet Guy

An invitation to comb through hundreds (thousands ?) of comments in the hope of finding a nugget of wisdom amid the flotsam. Never let it be said HPC doesn't have a sense of humour. 🙂 I'd expect somebody confident in their argument to just state it plainly: Q. Why did russia sabotage their own pipeline? Any takers?

Yes, Ukraine has done better than I expected, with lots of help from NATO countries. But someday the fighting will have to stop and the West doesn't seem to have or even want an exit strategy. How long will we use Ukraine to bleed Russia? https://news.antiwar.com/2022/04/25/after-kyiv-visit-lloyd-austin-says-us-goal-is-for-russia-to-be-weakened/

And the reason Russia decided to blow up its own pipleline is ... ???

Some sources are saying it was a truck bomb. https://asiatimes.com/2022/10/truck-bomb-explodes-on-russias-crimea-bridge/ “There are several ways to do it – it can be a suicide bomber,” Michael Yon, a former US special forces soldier, told Asia Times. “Another way is trickery: There is a bomb in the truck and someone drives it to the target, and it is radio detonated. Or coercion: Sometime we would find people handcuffed to steering wheels, or they would be like, ‘We have got your family.’” To pass security before getting onto the bridge proper, Yon, who reported multiple car and truck bombings during his post-army career as a combat reporter in Afghanistan and Iraq, suggested the truck was likely loaded with civil, but highly combustible, materials. “It could have been loaded up with fertilizer, maybe ammonium nitrate, and you put in fuel oil, maybe some high explosive, then you set it off,” he said. “This sounds to me like sabotage – get the bridge and get the train at the same time, hit multiple targets.” Also NATO has given Ukraine medium-range, satellite-networked precision missiles that offer pinpoint accuracy and have been used to shock effect on Russia’s echelon. But as the Kerch Bridge has enormous “red line” sensitivity for the Kremlin, NATO has so far declined to supply Kiev with long-range precision missiles capable of hitting it. So was this an attack using home grown improvised methods? I assumed it was a conventional military attack at first.

Agreed. I'm thinking Ukrainian forces rigged explosives on train track and road then waited for fuel train before detonating for maximum impact. Quite a coup for the Ukrainians.

"The head of the Foreign Ministry noted that Russia has a responsible army and "all these threats are taken into account," since "there is no smoke without fire." “And I am convinced that all these plans will fail completely,” TASS quoted him as saying. Earlier, Major General of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Dmitry Marchenko called the Crimean bridge the number one target for destruction by Western weapons. The Kremlin stressed that the security of Crimea is guaranteed by preventive and additional measures taken by the Russian military." https://www.tellerreport.com/news/2022-06-16-lavrov-said-that-threats-from-ukraine-to-attack-the-crimean-bridge-will-fail.Bkl6mvTOYc.html Well that didn't age well.

Hmm. Personally, I reckon the Chinese are laughing their heads off about Western countries throttling their economies because the climate is changing (which is normal.) https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/international-issues/since-2005-u-s-has-had-largest-decline-in-carbon-dioxide-emissions-globally/

So Martin Armstrong is a "crazy neocon". (Professor Jeffrey Sachs as well?) Here's another web site web site instead https://nypost.com/2022/10/04/jeffrey-sachs-yanked-off-air-after-accusing-us-of-sabotaging-nord-stream/. I expect you'll still refuse to consider the idea that Russia didn't blow up its own infrastructure. Perhaps we'll get more data later.

I presume you're implying that only crazy people think that Russia didn't destroy their own pipelines.

Professor Jeffrey Sachs commenting on the Nord Stream pipeline sabotage: "This runs counter to our narrative. You're not allowed to say thses things in the West but the fact of the matter is all over the world, when I talk to people, they think the US did it ... and by the way, even reporters on our papers that are involved tell me privately 'Yeah well of course' but it doesn't show up in our media." https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/war/the-world-is-pointing-fingers-at-the-us-for-attacking-nord-stream/

Opinions you disagree with are not OK. Thanks for illustrating my point 🙂 ( humour ?? )

I find your reasoning weak but fine, that's your opinion. Maybe more information will come out later. I'm not sure I recall FOConnor claiming certainty - just a differing opinion from yours. You have no evidence either; just your opinion. No. FOConnor disagrees with you (as do I.) I do not accept that I have some extra burden to carry for daring to disagree with you. Please consider that there are other ideas and opinions out there that might not line up with yours.

If the muitple explosions that ruined the gas pipes were just bad luck, the Poles must be the luckiest people on the planet. https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/poland-welcomes-germanys-decision-to-stop-nord-stream-2/2510682 https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/poland-reiterates-nord-stream-2-opposition-german-foreign-minister-2021-12-10/

The Russian and Covid threads are the most interesting to me at the minute. Years ago, I used to haunt the blog and gold bug bits of the forum. I've been here a lot longer than you. https://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?/topic/245607-queen-elizabeth-ii-britain’s-longest-reigning-monarch-dies-aged-96/&do=findComment&comment=1103932180 https://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?/topic/244085-the-best-films-you-hadnt-heard-of-but-watched/&do=findComment&comment=1103900064 https://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?/topic/241435-rfk-assassin-wins-parole/&do=findComment&comment=1103782610 https://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?/topic/238754-even-the-ice-cream-is-rigged/&do=findComment&comment=1103728415 https://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?/topic/205539-gold-bullion-company-hacked/ https://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?/topic/189429-too-many-silver-shorts/

Honestly, I try to avoid getting into the more vitriolic arguments around here; it's not worth it. I don't have a "play book" and I don't have anything to do with Casual Observer or Lucky Larry.

Your knowledge of these matters seems to be greater than mine. I don't understand that logic.

I respectfully disagree. https://www.offshore-technology.com/news/norway-poland-gas-pipeline-opens-aiming-to-supress-russian-supplies/ Maybe we'll get more information later but blowing up your own pipeline you took a decade to build just as GIPL comes on line is strange behaviour.

An intersting take on the bust gas pipes economic vandalism: https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/09/the-bornholm-blow-up-repeats-the-bornholm-bash-poland-attacks-germany-and-blames-russia.html

Do you have a link for a source? Pinning down the nukes like that sounds quite difficult.

Even with the recent counter attacks, the Ukraine has lost control of significant territories but things don't look that great from the Russian perspective either. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63036985 Ukraine war: Russia admits mobilisation errors, amid growing public opposition The Kremlin has admitted mistakes were made in its drive to mobilise Russian army reservists to fight in Ukraine, amid growing public opposition. "There are cases when the decree is violated," Russian President Vladimir Putin's spokesman said, adding that "all the errors will be corrected". Multiple reports say people with no military experience - or who are too old or disabled - are being called up. Last week's mobilisation decree has already triggered widespread protests.

I cannot determine the question for the NHS web site but Goog Trends gives a pretty clear answer ( https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=GB&q=myocarditis ) I note that the word myocarditis can be found on the NHS website. Search for the word at: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/safety-and-side-effects/

You've twisted the lab leak theory into a ridiculously bad straw man argument. (Attempt at humour ??) The suspicion is that viruses were collected from the wild and manipulated in a lab to increase their ability to infect humans. There's a lot we don't know about the intentions, techniques and who was involved but it sure looks hinky when people "lawyer up" when asked what happened. https://nakedemperor.substack.com/p/head-of-the-lancet-covid-19-commission ... He [Peter Daszak] could have explained to me right from the beginning that there was a big research program and that they were manipulating the viruses, and here’s how. He could have given me the research proposals. And when I asked him for one of the research proposals, he said, “No, my lawyer says I can’t give it to you.” I said, “What? You’re heading a commission. We’re a transparent commission. You’re telling me your lawyer says you can’t give me your project proposal.” I said, “Well, then you can’t be on this commission. This is not even a close call.” ... The most interesting things that I got as chair of the Lancet commission came from Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuits and whistleblower leaks from inside the U.S. government. Isn’t that terrible? NIH was actually asked at one point: give us your research program on SARS-like viruses. And you know what they did? They released the cover page and redacted 290 pages. They gave us a cover page and 290 blank pages! That’s NIH, for heaven’s sake. That’s not some corporation. That is the U.S. government charged with keeping us healthy.

Other opinions exist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5-X7JT3o6o I'm disappointed in the NIH for not leading an objective evaluation from the beginning. I think it really is antithetical to the science where they took a very strong position that people like myself who are somehow conspiratorial just because we have different scientific hypothesis. I've been very disappointed in the scientific comunity led by NIH that has really dug their heels in from the beginning to try to minimize any of us that have a different hypothesis. Robert R redfield Former CDC Director https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/robert-redfield-covid-wuhan-lab-leak-b1859119.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/26/science/redfield-coronavirus-wuhan-lab.html So the idea that having our lives thrown into chaos by a zoonotic virus is somehow worse or harder to accept than it being man made? That makes no sense. In fact I'd argue the opposite.

Oops 😐 I equated the headline "most advanced" with Armata. Duhh.