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  1. 4 hours ago, The Spaniard said:

    The ANMAT statement and its subsequent retraction are referred to at about 10 minutes into this extensive compilation of microscope images posted on the dreaded bitchute platform by Argentinian scientists.


    Should we be taking these images and the observers' interpretations at all seriously?

    Well the video presenters seem to be asserting that they've found graphine compounds in the Cansino, Pfizer, Astrazeneca, Sinopharm and Sputnik vaccines.
    If we are to entertain that is a nefarious act by the vaccine makers, then we're looking at a global conspiracy involving the Western world, Russia and China.
    Seriously? I don't think so.

  2. 2 hours ago, Bob8 said:

    Again, did you think MERS or SARS were created in a lab?

    Wot!! I have never said anything about MERS or SARS coming from a lab - quite the opposite in fact.

    Regarding the links you provided, the WHO investigation into the origins of sars-cov-2 was recognised as being compromised a long time ago.


    I'll be happy to change my mind if solid evidence is found but for now I think the virus is far more likely to be a lab product than zoonotic.

    2 hours ago, Bob8 said:

    The link you quote is as silly as it looks. You body does not care about the nature of expose to an antigen. Having the vaccine does not mean you lose you innate immune response ...

    OK, so you think Dr Geert Vanden Bossche is wrong.

    I trust that this has nothing to do with the fact that he is an opponent of mass vaccination against sars-cov-2 ?




  3. 2 hours ago, Flat Bear said:

    I don't know if anyone has bought this up yet?

    Has anayone been to, or is thinking about going to a Covid party?

    If your young and fit I suppose it doesn't matter when you catch this thing as you probably won't notice, but if your 60 plus maybe slightly overweight etc it would make sense for you to make sure you catch this thing as early as possible especially if you had a booster a month ago or so. Your chances of hospitalization, although extremely low, goes up quickly as time goes on after the limited effect of the vaccine stays in your system.

    I do not know if I have had it or not, probably 50-50 but maybe I should be trying to get myself infected or exposing myself to the virus as much as I can ASAP 

    Are other people thinking the same way. 

    I think there may be a problem with your idea. If you do arrange for a properly infectious party, you will not be able to control your viral load and that *might* have bad consequences.

    I'm pretty relaxed about getting omicron (it's inevitable) but I don't want to get a heavy load of any derivative of the Wuhan lab virus. Even if I was in my twenties I wouldn't do it.


  4. 15 minutes ago, Flat Bear said:

    I think it is now clear Covid is now over in the UK

    Cases have been on the way down for a week, hospitilizations are going down from a very low peak and deaths have just started to go down from an even lower peak, infact much lower than an average winter flu death rate. In just 2 more weeks they will be scraping the bottom of the barrel to find any cases.

    It is only the vested interests that are trying to keep this thing alive. Why was Boris wearing a mask in that infamous interview? Could it possibly be to deflect questios about his parties? No, it actually made it worse as it reminded us why he was wrong to have been having any parties.

    Only a few days ago, I received a phone call on my mobile from an NHS representative to enquire if I would get my booster. I declined. I was asked why. The conversation was polite but it was clear that I was being contacted for non-compliance.


    Can our leaders admit that they've invested in something that's probably a bad idea?

  5. 11 hours ago, Bob8 said:

    If a pandemic flu arises like 1918, there are plans. And, seriously, the response will not be as namby pamby as 2020 and the vaccine will be untested because we will not have time for that.

    So your big pharma employer has already prepared the way for the next "Operation Warp Speed"? That's quite a bold assertion. Thanks for letting us know.

  6. 1 hour ago, rollover said:

    Anti-vaxxers take part in boxing drills and combat training

    Thousands of anti-vaccine conspiracy theorists have joined a group on social media that threatens 'direct action' and promotes combat training and mixed martial art sessions. Those attending are told to bring black uniforms, boots and a hat in order to 'defend our children and women', ahead of a 'task' that will be made clearer in late January.

    Alpha Men Assemble, an online collective with more than 2,800 followers, has planned meetings to practice 'training and strategy tactics'. The group loosely resembles American conspiracy group QAnon - who push baseless claims.

    Daily Mail


    Wow. Just before 6th January. Stay the f*** away from these 'direct action' idiots. Nothing good will come from this.

  7. 1 hour ago, Sausages said:

    "Nature's Vaccine" is brain vomit...

    I'm not sure why you would say it's "brain vomit". The evidence coming in suggests that's exactly what it is (for now.) That's the way humans have responded to viral outbreaks since the dawn of humanity - long before vaccines were a thing.

    Perhaps there'll be another significant mutation down the road; in fact if we try mass vaccinations with a new vaccine that targets Omicron, that's pretty much guaranteed.

  8. 42 minutes ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said:

    They’re fuzzy distinctions, said infectious disease expert Stephen Kissler of the Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health. He defines the endemic period as reaching “some sort of acceptable steady state” to deal with Covid.

    The omicron crisis shows we’re not there yet but “I do think we will reach a point where SARS-CoV-2 is endemic much like flu is endemic,” he said.

    For comparison, Covid has killed more than 800,000 Americans in two years while flu typically kills between 12,000 and 52,000 a year.

    Still not the flu.


    On 8th December, Stephen Kissler was hypothesizing that Omicron didn't affect South Africa so badly because many South Africans had recently been infected with Delta and had acquired some immunity to Omicron.

    The problem is that theory isn't panning out.
    Delta infection does not protect against Omicron.

    More commentary here:

    "Omicron is less dangerous if you’ve been infected before, and less dangerous if you haven’t. It’s less dangerous if you’re fat, and less dangerous if you’re thin. It’s less dangerous if you’re old, less dangerous if you’re middle-aged, and less dangerous (as in probably so not-dangerous its dangers can’t even be measured) if you’re young.

    It’s a cold. The only risk it represents is that our massive testing infrastructure is now disrupting society. If we made everyone with a cold test and quarantine during the winter, we’d have lots of unnecessary economic, educational, and medical pain too."

    "Still not the flu."
    The Wuhan SARS-CoV-2 virus from 2019 is not the same as Omicron.
    We should be re-evaluating what we're dealing with now - not what happened a year or so ago.


  9. 59 minutes ago, hotblack42 said:

    There is a minority of posters icon here who can't relate to taking a balanced, moderate view.  There seems to be a correlation between taking a more polarised view & thinking that it makes a difference which party is in power, aww bless.

    A very small number believe ridiculous things like the covid vaccines are killing millions of healthy young people.  Don't bother engaging with these - they will only be able to debate rationally after prolonged professional help.

    Who said the vaccines are killing millions?

  10. 8 hours ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said:

    Totally disrupted!? You’ve been asked kindly to wear a mask occasionally. Jesus wept. Talk about weak sauce. 

    There's more to it than masks.

    UK national borrowing for covid is estimated at £4,700 to £6,067 per person depending upon who estimate you use.
    ( https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9309/ )

    Millions of routine healthcare processes have been missed resulting in a backlog and avoidable deaths.
    ( https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/charts-and-infographics/elective-care-how-has-covid-19-affected-the-waiting-list )

    We're going to be impacted for years and need to choose what we do next carefully.

  11. 13 hours ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said:

    Covid is not flu.


    I cannot believe that almost two years into this that there are people still propagating this misinformation. 

    Why do you think it's misinformation? The current data suggests Omicron behaves like a cold.


    If the data changes, we should reassess what we're doing.

  12. 9 minutes ago, captainb said:

    It's 6 to 8x higher in unvaccinated compared to vaccinated, not 6x overall.

    I.e if vaccinated admissions for covid in the hospital were 5 for covid, unvaxed covid would be 30 i.e 6x more. But if TOTAL admissions over the same period were 5,000. Who cares, it doesn't shift the dial on overall admissions.

    Total missing, as is, whether they were admitted for covid, or tested positive for covid but we're admitted for something else.

    "But if TOTAL admissions over the same period were 5,000. Who cares, it doesn't shift the dial on overall admissions."
    That's the point I was making when I referenced https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare
    I agree overall admission rates are nothing special, so far, which raises the question of what Monsieur's graph signifies.

  13. 9 hours ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said:

    SURGING numbers of unvaxed seeking hospital treatment. Treatment that should be denied outright IMHO:


    I think this graph comes from: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10351519/Ministers-ruled-regional-lockdowns-tackle-Omicron-Covid-variant.html
    I cannot be 100% sure but the data in the graph appears to be the third and fourth column from "Table 11. Unadjusted rates of COVID-19 infection, hospitalisation and death in vaccinated and unvaccinated populations" on page 40 from:
    Ostensibly, it's quite an impressive graph - showing an admission rate between six to eight times higher for the unvaccinated over 60s.
    So are these higher rates of admissions caused by covid? Otherwise, what is the point of the comparison?
    If we look at historical hospital admissions data at https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare there's nothing special happening (yet.)
    If admissions of six to eight times higher in over 60s are caused by covid, wouldn't we expect to see the hospital admissions rise like a rocket?
    There's something about this that looks a bit hinky to me.

    The next illustration in the same Daily Mail article, titled "How Patient Numbers Plummeted", shows that overall hospitalisations are significantly down from last year:


    I think there's some missing context to Monsieur's graph but I'm not sure what it is.


  14. 46 minutes ago, hotblack42 said:

    This one has me scratching my head.  I've spent about 4 hours over 8 months having 3 jabs + Flu jab, so that's a non issue on a personal level.

    Can someone neutral on vaccination please explain why 5 jabs a year is an economic or logistical issue please?

    The issue isn't economics or logistics (although jabbing the planet is a non-trivial undertaking.)
    the question is whether all this monkeying around with our immune system is wise unless you are immunocompromised or otherwise vulnerable.
    Some immunologists think the vaccines are protecting us against the wrong thing (Wuhan spike protein) and risk suppressing the innate immune system.
    There's also a concern about mass vaccinations creating new escape variants that might be dangerous.
    I don't think there's a simple answer.


  15. 3 hours ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said:

    What's utterly shocking about the little englanders is how badly their populace are happily willing to be treated by the right-wing government and shysters in power. Effectivley allowing 150 deaths a day to a something that was entirely preventable. 🤣🤡

    A laughter emoji following an assertion about 150 deaths a day. How charming.

  16. 9 hours ago, zugzwang said:

    Of course vaccines confer immunity and slow the rate of transmission.

    That's a contradiction.
    If the vaccines conferred immunity, there would be no transmission.
    These vaccines are non-sterlising i.e. they don't stop viral replication.
    The vaccine can reduce the odds of (1) catching the virus and the (2) severity of the illness.
    Issue (1) depends upon how recently the vaccination took place. After about four months, the protection wanes which is why there is an expiry date on the vaccine status mobile phone applications.
    Issue (2) is very up in the air w.r.t. Omicron. It may be that Omicron is so weak, it doesn't matter for most healthy people.

    Mass vaccination with a non-sterlising vaccine in the middle of a pandemic will likely breed more variants.

  17. 7 hours ago, pig said:

    That is a pretty creepy article.

    I read it as the government is ‘hardening’ the population into authoritarianism because the unvaccinated might be spoiling BJs strategy.

    Yes, it's a bit sinister.

    The Minister asserts 'The mood in the country is hardening' but is there any evidence for that? I've heard of anti-lockdown protests but no anti-unvaxxed protests.

    The Daily Mail has just parroted the government's position which is disappointing.

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