Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010

He described the current deficit as unsustainable

Yahoo / reuters: Bank of England governor Mervyn King warns unions accept cuts or 'fail your children'

Market reaction to rising sovereign debt can turn quickly from benign to malign, as we saw in the euro area earlier this year. It is not sensible to risk a damaging rise in long-term interest rates that would make investment and the cost of mortgages more expensive, Mr King said.
The costs of this crisis will be with us for a generation.

Posted by mark @ 12:24 PM (1299 views) Add Comment

17 Comments

1. sibley's b'stard child said...

"Britain also needs to save more", he added.

You duplicitous w*nker.

Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:29PM Report Comment
 

2. mark wadsworth said...

A lot of this debate is highly politicised and hence misleading.

I did a bit of digging on some stats published in an article in the FT, and according to HM Treasury, UK govt spending is as follows

Pensions and cash welfare £217 bn
Public sector salaries and pensions £169 bn
Debt interest £31 bn
Income less balancing figures negative £30 billion.
Private sector procurement £281 billion
Total £669 billion.

Yup, that's right.

For every £1 spent on public sector salaries (which can be sub-classified into "useful frontline stuff" and "glorified welfare system") they spend £1.66 on the "private" sector. Or, govt spending on "private" sector is more than one-fifth of GDP - on top of the one-in-five workers who officially work for the state. It's a heck of a lot or money and the biggest single item.

Not sure where they bury away the £17 billion gross EU contributions.

Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:31PM Report Comment
 

3. mark said...

MW can you enlarge on the "private sector" ?

Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:37PM Report Comment
 

4. Crunchy said...

The finger pointing begins.

Big trouble ahead.

Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:47PM Report Comment
 

5. will said...

Yes, we will all share the pain. How about a 90% tax rate for the bankers - they are all still laughing at us.

Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:48PM Report Comment
 

6. uncle tom said...

I don't think our Merv is a bad guy, but I don't think the historians will give him much credit either.

A good accountant, but a little too naive and inexperianced when it came to handling the big bad world outside.

Too inclined to go with the flow, rather than directing its course.

I suspect he'll retire when his current term is up.

Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:54PM Report Comment
 

7. mark said...

i don't think the bankers should take all the blame.

Going back in time rates were dropped to low levels because of terrorism, then they never came back up to a level to stop inflation, the banks merely reacted to the demand of customers, if they didn't lend the banks would have closed down, so they were trapped in a bad cycle. No way to stop no way out.

Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:59PM Report Comment
 

8. mark said...

The only time inflation was in our grasp was 2001, after this it went up and up, but they never took into account housing...


THE BOE do not have a clue and never have.

Wednesday, September 15, 2010 01:03PM Report Comment
 

9. str 2007 said...

Well, the headline above suggests interest rates will be very low for a very long time. It really doesn't suggest any sign of increase.

Therefore I suggest we look elsewhere for the HPC catalyst.

BTW how long have interest rates been at rock bottom in Japan for?

Wednesday, September 15, 2010 01:08PM Report Comment
 

10. quiet guy said...

I second what sibley's b'stard child said at #1

"Britain also needs to save more" while interest rates are negative in real terms.

Those are extraordinary words coming from a central banker who has been mercilessly mugging savers for nearly two years.

Wednesday, September 15, 2010 01:11PM Report Comment
 

11. hpwatcher said...

I don't think our Merv is a bad guy, but I don't think the historians will give him much credit either.

A good accountant, but a little too naive and inexperianced when it came to handling the big bad world outside.

Too inclined to go with the flow, rather than directing its course.

I suspect he'll retire when his current term is up.


He did fail to use common sense!

Wednesday, September 15, 2010 01:44PM Report Comment
 

12. Crunchy said...

6. mark said...i don't think the bankers should take all the blame.

Going back in time rates were dropped to low levels because of terrorism, then they never came back up to a level to stop inflation, the banks merely reacted to the demand of customers, if they didn't lend the banks would have closed down, so they were trapped in a bad cycle. No way to stop no way out."


That's assuming that some MAJOR banks and Co had nothing to do with terrorism and the profiting from wars based on lies and deception mark.

Wednesday, September 15, 2010 01:45PM Report Comment
 

13. mark said...

Bank of England governor Mervyn King warns unions accept cuts or 'SELL your children'

Wednesday, September 15, 2010 02:02PM Report Comment
 

14. nickb said...

So much for the central banks being politically neutral then.

Wednesday, September 15, 2010 04:03PM Report Comment
 

15. Unbeliever said...

Nickb @12 A budget deficit is borrowing from the tax receits of a future, possibly un-born generations to pay for things that the current generation of tax payer / voter want but are not themselves prepared to pay for. There may be a Keynesian argument of smoothing the economy by borrowing during recessions and paying it back during the boom years but the years of borrowing over the last decade have been grossly inresponsible / immoral.

Wednesday, September 15, 2010 06:07PM Report Comment
 

16. mark wadsworth said...

Mark, comment 3. I am just summarising what H M Treasury says. They refer to purchases from and subsidies to private sector and I totted up the figures. I would assume that they are correct as the other figures (welfare, public sector payroll and debt interest) are widely publicised and can be reconciled to reasonable estimates.

Wednesday, September 15, 2010 08:12PM Report Comment
 

17. phils said...

For every pound "wasted" on the public sector, there are 10 pounds lost through tax evasion and avoidance.

Thursday, September 16, 2010 09:40AM Report Comment
 

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