Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010
"Demolition Coalition" has declared war on working people.
The Telegraph: Cuts will bring civil unrest, says police leader
Britain faces widespread civil unrest, strikes and more crime as a result of cuts in public spending.
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1. fubar said...
I was looking for a new watch when I came across the RLT 18 a retro remake of a Timex watch I had as a kid in the 70's. On the way to work this morning there was a fella at the cashpoint done up like an extra from a Dexy's midnight Runners video. Now we have retro news, its like the last 25 years haven't happened. I had a dream last night I was lvng rough in a derelict factory and there were two dodgy blokes trying to kill me to nick my food. Bugger, it's all starting to happen. Adios to DC's "big society" before it even got going.
2. phdinbubbles said...
"From the massacre in 1819, that took place not so many miles away from here, to the current day alcohol-related disorder, history teaches us that there will always be widespread threats to the public peace," the chief superintendent warns.
The Peterloo Massacre was the result of a peaceful demonstration of 60000 being charged by the cavalry. What an ignorant c***.
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4. mark said...
i have been out buying my riot gear
5. str 2007 said...
Fubar
Are you an Ashes to Ashes fan by any chance ?
For some reason I started watching some late 70's/early 80's film last night Bob, Sue Ted and Alice or some such, anyway there was a bulyying moped scene (remember the Yamaha FS1E - Fizzies as they were known) ?
Was quite an amusing scene and probably truish of the time, but it really did seem along time ago and along way from where we are now.
Remember football on the TV and toilet rolls coming down from the stands and normally some sort of fight breaking out in the stands.
It really seems so distant, I tend to agree with what others have said on here before that I just don't think we have the appetite for it now.
6. tyrellcorporation said...
Devo. As a matter of interest what do you do for a living?
7. builditandtheywillcome said...
Sometimes i get slightly disillusioned by various comments i read here.Let me make my position clear from the outset,and then others will comment as to exactly what they think i am.
I'm in my mid-thirties,self-employed in electrical contracting.Never been out of work,never claimed a benefit.I am from a family that were/are conservative party voters.I have been myself.I was basically raised to hate the labour party,as it was full of union militants and russian/cuban wannabes!The new labour project did nothing to enhance my dislike of labour.A few months into this coalition,and i have probably come to the conclusion that,actually,my grandmother was correct in stating that "they're all the same love,dressed up in different colours and called different things,but basically just serving for one thing.......themselves and their own".
I have never been a member of any union,didn't see a need and didn't want the association.But i would happily join these people on a demo now,as the hands-on working man is being completely shafted.This current economic climate has been caused by the joint efforts of a dishonest government and dishonest financial sector.And the people being asked to make it better is the working class.What a load of rubbish it is to say "we're all in this together"!We absolutely are not.The already wealthy get to borrow money at low rates and accumulate more wealth,while the rest of us get hammered into the ground.Can we working men and women afford to employ accountants to get through tax loopholes?No.Thats a special perk for the wealthy.All the last three governments have been dirty.Paid for.Look at that bast**d Blair now,with his roles for the likes of JPM etc.Literally rolling around in the money.And how are the banks helping anyone else but the wealthy??There is plenty for the working men and women of this country to be angry and annoyed about.
So,at this moment in time,i fully back working men and women taking to the streets.It's all we have left to do,it's a matter of principle and dignity.
Construction has been taken to it's knees,and it's construction trades that keeps the working class functional.I hear nothing from the current government.I appreciate that spending cuts need to be found,and funds need to be raised.But by stopping nearly all school building projects you strangle workers.Lots of self-employed workers.House building is at an all time low.Lending has disapeared for most businesses.The new condem idea of giving local councils the power to build/not to build plays right into the hands of NIMBYs.
I'm still waiting to see what penalty the financial sector is paying?They mostly seem to be doing rather well out of this situation so far.
I believe the outgoing boss of barclays will be taking a role in government when he leaves?Convenient.
So no,this isn't about union thugs like the ones i'd been brought up on from the 70s and 80s.This is about battling for a slither of fairness in what is a one-sided land.The only thing i would say is that i think the unions could be putting their mesaage across in a more measured approach,and that they may be better served keeping Mr Bob Crowe from view!
8. the number cruncher said...
Just to continue the old music theme I listened to Hunky Dory on the way into work on my pushbike this morning (mind you I was 1 years old when it was released in 71) bloody good album though, Bowie at his creative peak. I grew up in the south Northumberland coal fields during the 80's , my dad was a mining engineer, so I was on the very brunt of the 80's recession. It was grim and horrible and I will never forgive the southern conservatives for the social crime they inflicted on the North East. I grew up in Blyth and that town has gone from a power house of engineering and innovation to a pit full of drugs and crime. The Germans and the French managed their industrial transition, but we just threw hundreds of thousands of hard working skilled men on the scrap heap, so some southern puffter bankers could buy BMW's and porsches and start the property boom and start transferring the wealth of this country from those that built and made to those that hoarded and monopolised.
The police, MI5 and the military will do in the coming years what they did during the miners strike, the great general strike and the Peterloo Massacre; they will protect the property and monopolies of the very wealthiest just as our politicians, of whatever hue, protect their property and monopolies through laws and taxation.
I still have a bottle of dom perignon (I recognise the ironic duality) for the day that bitch dies, may she rot in hell, from that day on. I plan to dance on her grave before I die. That stupid cow thought she was creating a Britain for hard-working entrepreneurship, when all she created was a country of rent seekers, monopolists and debt.
9. the number cruncher said...
builditandtheywillcome @ 7
Stunning post - your dignity, honesty and clarity has restored my faith that there good men and women who wish to do right and see past the veils of dishonesty that are held before our eyes.
10. Simon said...
The problems are endemic but we have to look at the bigger picture . An entire system which is based on constant expansion , constant growth is unsustainable .
We criticise the 3rd World for having more children than they can feed yet mass import immigrants our natural resources and infrastructure cannot sustain just to prop up house prices and further the one world govt aim of the new world order .
You can see why the last govt was so keen to lose the last election .
They had done a job that the US Airforce precision bombing unit would be proud of . Then to poison the wells when they rode out of town just to spite the next administration was plain evil .
11. capitalist said...
builditandtheywillcome
Yes, good post. I'm as disgusted as you with the taxpayer largesse that's been handed out to banks and with a monetary system that is explicitly targeted at inflating prices and enabling governments to expropriate wealth from future generations more easily.
However you have to pick your friends wisely. Are the trade unionists arguing for free markets (a level playing field), reduced taxation (less theft), honouring the property rights of rich and poor, and abolishing the central bank or at the very least raising interest rates? No they are not.
When fascists and communists fight each other, the wisest strategy is to keep out of the way.
12. builditandtheywillcome said...
number cruncher @ 9
I just say things how they are from my,and a lot of my friends/family,point of view.Who really knows where we will be in 1/2/3/4 years time?It may turn out to be all rosy! BTW cruncher,please don't throw all of us southerners into the same pot......i believe the people you are more likely pi***d off with move around in westminster and canary wharf! I am in oxfordshire,originally from a council estate, and it annoys me to be lumped in with those charlatans!Maybe you could refer to said people as westminster w**kers and banker w**kers! I'm a southerner,yes,but absolutely sing the same song as you my northern friend :-)
13. symo said...
Bring it! Lets watch the outpriced locals in Devon, Cornwall and Wales smash up empty holiday homes.
14. symo said...
Bring it! Lets watch the outpriced locals in Devon, Cornwall and Wales smash up empty holiday homes.
15. builditandtheywillcome said...
capitalist @ 10
I can agree with some of what you say in your 2nd paragraph.Yes,i think we can sometimes see through the unions false front.I'm certainly not daft enough to believe every word spoken by a union leader.Of course they are protecting themselves and their own agenda,to a degree.
They are,after all,politically motivated.I'm probably more dissapointed that there is not a more combined disenchantment amongst the population,in general,to what is currently happening.It dissapoints me how some folk are not remotely,seemingly,aware.It's laziness to a degree,on the part of many people,not to make the effort to read and educate themselves.This leaves the door open to unions to say what these people want to hear,and not neccessarily what is accurate.However,it is the unions that are speaking and being heard,and they are the only ones doing it.So it is very easy to make a choice between no action,and action of some sort.They are the only ones remotely speaking up for proper working class people.And although some people try and tell me i'm middle class now,i can assure you that i am,and always will be,a working class lad! I have had to use my hands to earn what i have,and i'm very comfortable with being working class :-)
16. Crunchy said...
Damn. I wish Gordon was back to face the coming wrath.
However, the left right paradigm has once again come to the rescue.
That's Gordon Brown, if some have forgotten already. How much longer are we going to be played by the invisible players who are busy
building underground bunker cities as we fumble in the darkness of daylight.
17. mark said...
Riots will do the economy some good, it will devalue areas to begin with then a repair and build boom will follow, riots in the suburbs imagine that..lol
burning houses, cars and council offices.
18. fubar said...
str2007, I did quite enjoy Ashes to Ashes. More of a Sweeney fan though. "I'm not going to give you a kicking, my sergeant's going to do that." I hope you're right about it being a long way away as the 80's were bloody horrible, living in a shipbuilding town in North - if Nuclear war had happened nobody would've noticed. We are about to see what the current batch of Union leaders are made of. For the Union bashers I suggest you have a listen to a program on radio 4 yesterday by Alexei Sayle. Really interesting perspective with thoughtful interviews. The Unions are not all just reactionary commie fronts. Its available on the iplayer.
19. doomwatch said...
builditandtheywillcome @7. Your Gran was spot on. Not just self serving though. There are different factions operating within each "party"
that slither between the layers. This is well documented on various "crackpot" conspiracy sites. Brown didn't want to play like
Blair; that's why he was smeared to death by the controlled media at every chance in the lead up to the election. A lot
of our misery in recent years would have been stopped if John Smith had been PM.
20. need-a-crash said...
@8. The economy was absolutely fine in 1997, why do you blame Thatcher for the problems caused by Blair and Clinton? Ok so you hate Thatcher for what she did to the north in the 80's, but unfortunately for you she is not the reason why property is unaffordable or the reason why the UK is now in so much debt.
21. the number cruncher said...
18. need-a-crash said...
You are very much wrong because Thatcher and Blair are the same thing with a direct continuation of policy towards the sale of state assets, monetary expansion, debt and a taxation policy aimed at making asset owners richer. Thatcher's to blame as she introduced the real change, which was was to glorify the free market, and all she really achieved was to allow very rich people to rig the market in their own favour.
Thatcher started the ball rolling with the legal framework of the deregulated banking system and legal system to allow the house price boom to happen. Blair just did not rock the boat and played to the gallery of influential financial interests and those that benefited from the rise money expansion.
The problems of our economy lay squarely at the feet of Thatcher, Reagan, Clinton, Bush (the Dumber) & Blair. The economy takes decades to play out the terrible choices made by our politicians. We are suffering the problems of Thatcher and my children will now suffer the problems caused by Blair/Brown. Bush (the not dumb) and Major where by far the better politicians of the ere, but still very much flawed (that's why they where one term wonders).
My grandchildren will no doubt suffer the consequences of Cameron/Clegg (although I doubt the will last that long - two years tops) and the politicians who come after them.
1997 was the end of the last recesion,
22. Barbar. S. Relic said...
@3 "In other words, a lot unproductive leaches will get militant about their demands for other people's money... taxpayers shouldn't be held to ransom by trade union thugs."
I notice you're suspiciously quiet about the welfare queens and tax spongers at RBS and LLoyds who weren't too shy at taking our cash? at least some of these public sector workers actually pay some tax!! Are you Fred the Shred?
23. capitalist said...
Barbarous Relic
Actually, I'm not quiet about them either. Did you read my post @ 11? Bankers have been turned into welfare parasites of the worst kind. The whole lot of them should have been allowed to go bust.
24. Barbar. S. Relic said...
Fair point and apologies Capitalist. I did only look at your first post before I fired off that response. I do agree with you - and think both are as bad as each other.