Wednesday, Aug 04, 2010
Sorry guys had to post this - last one for today
Dailymail: The 100,000 under-24s living on state benefits because they claim they're too ill to work
Although many IB claimants of all ages are genuinely entitled to the cash through sickness, many have far less claim to the money. Some are on it because they are too fat, get headaches, suffer from indigestion, or because they are prone to blisters.
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1. Stevie Dee said...
That'll be the drugs. They do take them in copious amounts. And it costs, and the money does not come from the bank of mum and dad. Another reason why the housing market will crash, unless of course they flood the country with immigrants who are following their dream of living in a democracy (lol you have to laugh, as it is so tragic). It's back door ethnic cleansing imo.
2. techieman said...
Mark - post as many as you like as far as im concerned. Its a free country... sort of! Having said that not going to comment on this...
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4. drewster said...
Mark - I'm also quite happy for you to post away. Far better than the days when we have barely any new articles.
This one's straying a bit from the main topic, but I found this interesting quote:
- The most radical option is to merge the benefits and tax credits entirely into the tax system, through a 'negative income tax' model.
Hmmm..... almost like a Citizens' Income / Citizens' Dividend.
5. the number cruncher said...
All Governments say they want to change IB, but then find it convenient to keep the unemployment fugues down. This is just a smoke screen, and has been repeated adnuaseum by Governments throughout my life.
Stats like this are complex of course and you need to find out what proportion this is of unemployed to make a meaningful comparison. Their are now over 1 million unemployed under 24's so this is 10% of the officially unemployed. This compares much more favourably with the total 2.5 million claiming IB of all forms against unemployed total of 2.5 Million unemployed or 100% when looked at the rest of the population.
So the Headline writer who wants to challenge right wing reactionary preconceptions could write could read - "hard working young ten times less likely to claim Incapacity benefits than work-shy oldies."
So the reactionary dailymail 'Alf Garnett' sees the headline and has his view about work-shy chavs confirmed. When in reality the young are often less likely to fiddle IB than those in their 40's or 50's, even factoring greater health problems of being old.
incapacity benefits rose most quickly under the Tories and have only gone up slowly under labour. they went from 700,000 to 2.5 million under the last Tory administration.
Saying all that, that does not mean I think benefit fraud should be allowed, the very opposite, I think benefit should only go to the deserving. What I do protest is the duplicity of the right wing press and the heard like reactionary outrage of the sheeple who follow its deceit.
6. Ndg said...
Great release of information - who to hate for five minutes by the Ministry of Information
7. Stevie Dee said...
My comments are merely to illustrate the complete frustration of a generation who really are disaffected imo. They don't have the options of numerous jobs as was the case of the other generation, and the jobs or part time positions they hold are quite basic. That is why many turn to drugs or drug dealing. The vast majority of this generation don't care about the house market, whether it crashes or not. They enjoy drugs and the partying, and gangsta's or do things just to make a quick buck for they live the quick and easy life. It's a natural rebellion to the boomers. It's not of this generation, as we in the united kingdom are collectively guilty of poisoning the roots of our own tree.
8. drewster said...
number cruncher,
Thanks for the analysis. I hadn't thought of it that way!
9. mr g said...
"So the reactionary dailymail 'Alf Garnett' sees the headline and has his view about work-shy chavs confirmed"
And what do we call "progressive" Guardianistas?
Out of touch middle class "professionals", living in ivory towers, who vote Labour in solidarity with the working classes, have no knowledge of the lives of most ordinary Brits and who would run a mile if they came in contact with what remains of the real working class.
In other words, snobs.
10. pelethar said...
I think it's pretty obvious who the snob is round here mate. Let's see now - done guardianistas, "progressive", "professionals", ivory towers.... that's good work, but you forgot human rights, compensation, "political correctness gone mad", lesbians, ethnic minorities, elf n' safety, etc etc etc etc, blah blah blah blah. Roll up for the next round of reactionary lingo bingo.
11. mr g said...
@Pelethar
I obviously hit on a sore point, they say that the truth hurts, pal.
I'm certain my background makes me less of a snob than your good self sunbeam.
12. the number cruncher said...
Open your mind Mr G and stop inventing straw men to attack, so you can ignore my post.
I do not Vote labour, read the Guardian or live in an ivory tower and I meet the real working class every day, because I am and that was my upbringing. As a 14 year old lad I went through the miners strike and had my mum in tears when she could not put food on the table. My dad had a hell of a time finding work after they closed the pits, he was a electrical engineer. When I went to university my dad was actually receiving incapacity benefit as it was a few quid a week more than the dole and Maggie's Government promoted it to keep the unemployment totals down.
I may have had a postgraduate education and am in a senior managerial position now, but I still consider myself working class, as does most people who meet me.
13. smugdog said...
House prices not going our way today, so let’s take a dim
view of some other area of society.
We MUST have our daily dose of gloom!
14. mr g said...
@NC
If you take the time to read my comment carefully you will see that it is neither a personal attack, a comment on your political views or social background and certainly not a suggestion that you personally read the Guardian.
However, it was intended to ridicule the perception held by a number of HPC'ers that Daily Mail, Express and possibly Telegraph articles are rubbish because of their right wing views and their readers are inevitably Alf Garnett or "old school tie" characters whereas the Guardian or Independent is the fount of all knowledge and only publishes the gospel truth which IMO equates to snobbery.
For your information and to show that I have an open mind, I read the Observer regularly alongside the Telegraph.
15. mr g said...
And you know what you can do Smugdog.
I own my house outright and I don't give a tinker's f*rt about house prices for my own sake but I am keen to see HPC to bring prices back to sanity and allow those who want to buy a house to do so instead of parasitic BTL'ers making a mint.
16. Sherwick said...
So, number cruncher, the under 24s are less workshy than the over 50s?
Well, that's probably cos they ain't started working yet innit!
17. pelethar said...
"I'm certain my background makes me less of a snob than your good self sunbeam."
What are you basing that on? Are you psychic? Enlighten us - what exactly do you know about my background that makes you feel entitled to make such a judgement?
18. Sarah said...
ROTFL
Mr G defines himself in terms of his background and that makes him better than someone else with a background unknown to him. That would make him a bigot as well as a snob, based on the evidence.
19. it_is_going_with_a_bang said...
As NC has already stated this is a meaningless article.
I know a few people on IB and can I can quite honestly say the "problem" of IB is most definitely with the over 24's.
The case points about "too fat, get headaches, suffer from indigestion, or because they are prone to blisters" would quite likely appear across all ages.
It is a difficult issue to deal with but I don't see any benefit in aiming it any particular age group - that seems utterly stupid.
A friend of mine ( 39 ) has been on IB for 3 + years now and intends to stay on it as long as he can - in fact until he is 65 if he can get away with it. He has an income from 5 BTL's (with no lending), the house paid for, an insurance policy of £1500 pm paying out for as long as he is unfit to work. Add to that £1300 of state benefits(IB + other benefits).
Apparantly just turning up to a pre-arranged meeting every 6 months to say you are too depressed to work, feel ill, headaches and suicidal is enough to keep the claim going. It is a bad joke.
The system stinks in "some" cases but not all and certainly not just in the 18-24 bracket.