Friday, Jul 02, 2010
Trade Union Rich List
TaxPayerAlliance: Trade Union Rich List
Not exactly HPC but thought it would be of interest (or maybe it is HPC relevant for those who wonder who can afford those £500k+ houses...)
Posted by easybetman @ 10:54 AM (849 views) Add Comment
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1. Exiges said...
Hardly surprising. It's very easy to tell everyone else to go on strike when you're on over £100K a year.
2. mark said...
unions in USA were always used by the mafia to extract money, why would it be any different in the UK
3. the number cruncher said...
Typical right wing hypocritical tosh!
The assault on organised labour is by its nature an assault on the free market - any free market must allow labour to negotiate its market rate.
The real hypocrisy is when the state and business conspire to reduce workers rights, yet proclaim they are champions of a free market.
What's wrong with a CEO of a large organisation getting 100k?
Tax payers alliance are just servants of the rich and powerful and not the real defenders of the honest hard working tax payer.
4. the number cruncher said...
The Tax Payers Alliance - is a contradiction in terms - it is not an alliance of tax payers but it is a fake charity set up by a hodge podge of ultra right wing property developers, from which it receives its funds.
Its purpose is to campaign to make its rich backers much richer by obfuscating its real agenda with the cloak of reducing taxes for ordinary tax payers.
For more info:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/09/taxpayers-alliance-conservative-pressure-group
5. mr g said...
@NC
From earlier comments I would guess that you are comfortably off and therefore indulge in something akin to "champagne socialism" telling the rest of us to "do as I say, not as I do" whilst holding Orwellian type views such as "All animals (men) are equal but some are more equal than others"
You're not Arthur Scargill under a nom de plume by any chance are you?
6. orcusmaximus said...
@NC - rubbish.
I'm all for a group which campaigns against the government wasting my money. You might not agree with this particular article, but I can't believe you disagree with all of their articles. Unless you yourself hold a taxpayer funded non-job?
7. the number cruncher said...
5
Open your mind and try to make some constructive criticism -
Please do not just make personal attacks, tell me how I am wrong through critical reasoning and not just Alf Garnet bluster.
There is some solid reasoning to my opinion on the TA. It is an organisation designed to shape public opinion especially of people like your good self.
6 - you use a staw man augment, of course I disagree with government waste an inefficiency and I do not disagree with all the TA's articals. What I do disagree with is that it is hypocritical of a CEO of a huge union with 100,000 members to earn 100k a year and I think that the TAn was set up to further the ends of some very rich people (mostly property developers) to stir up the public opinion on specific tax issues for their own benefit.
You will never here about Land Value Tax from the TA or any other tax that will help house prices to become affordable.
8. orcusmaximus said...
@NC -
Why should the Tax Payers Alliance campaign for low house prices? Should they also campaign to save the Siberian Tiger, eradicate third world poverty, and so forth? All these are worthwhile aims, but let's not castigate them for sticking to their core agenda!
9. easybetman said...
Hi NC,
OK - most organisation has their own agenda. The guardian has their own agenda. TUC has their own agenda.
I agree that there should be no personal attack and that union should exist to balance employer power.
Now:
(1) No doubt TPA is a lobbying group but they do provide some good and interesting report. Now,
TUC also has abit of role in this fake charity thing as they received fund from Department of international aid for their activities.
[ http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/bettergovernment/2009/09/fake-aid-dfids-taxpayer-funded-lobbying.html ]
(2) I think it is excessive to call TPA 'far right'. Thought only that 3 letter party quality for this. If what TPA does is considered far right,
then >50% tax must be considered communist ?
(3) I fear that these bosses can't represent their member effectively when they don't really understand how it is like living on say £20k pa.
or how the members have to live without pay during strike actions
10. easybetman said...
Copy from Daily Mail comment section:
Mark Serwotka - General Secretary Public and Commercial Services Union
>>>>>
I am a civil servant and many years ago, when Mark Serwotka was just a lowly civil servant like myself, I listened to him make a speech in which he VOWED that if he was ever voted into a higher Union position he would NEVER accept any wage that was higher than his civil servant's pay. Hmmmmm.
- Allison, Wales, 02/7/2010 15:56
>>>
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1291378/Union-fatcats-earn-times-average-worker.html#ixzz0sXqVNdjD
I think there is nothing wrong for them to be paid £100k plus, but they just have to be more careful when they call others 'fat cat'.
11. letthemfall said...
The TPA is a self-interested bunch of wealthy propagandists, that much is plain from their tabloidesque output. They hate anything which interferes with their sense of entitlement. Note their contact phone number - a mobile. Reminds one of those dodgy small ads.
12. mr g said...
@NC
I'm sorry if my comment was perceived as a personal attack or criticism, it certainly wasn't intended as such.
However, the analogy between union leaders and Animal Farm, "All animals (men) are equal but some are more equal than others", is as true now as when Orwell used the expression to criticise the Soviet leadership.
13. Mr G said...
@NC "Its purpose is to campaign to make its rich backers much richer by obfuscating its real agenda with the cloak of reducing taxes for ordinary tax payers.
For more info:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/09/taxpayers-alliance-conservative-pressure-group"
If, in the eyes of a number of HPC contributors, everything printed in the Daily Mail, Express and Telegraph is unreliable because they are right wing publications, how can everything printed in the Guardian or Independent be considered to be gospel truth?
14. alan_540 said...
It's interesting that HPC has so many left-wing contributors - when it has been a Labour administration that has orchestrated the largest house price bubble of all time.
15. mr g said...
@NC "Its purpose is to campaign to make its rich backers much richer by obfuscating its real agenda with the cloak of reducing taxes for ordinary tax payers.
For more info:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/09/taxpayers-alliance-conservative-pressure-group"
If, as some contributors to HPC seem to believe, everything printed in the Daily Mail, Express and Telegraph cannot be trusted, how can we be sure that everything printed in the Guardian or Independent is gospel truth?
16. alan_540 said...
Quite.
17. mr g said...
@alan_540 "It's interesting that HPC has so many left-wing contributors - when it has been a Labour administration that has orchestrated the largest house price bubble of all time."
All men are equal but some are more equal than others or do as I say, not as I do.
You'll find examples of this throughout Labour history, recent examples are Labour MP's sending their children to private schools while probably the classic example is Anthony Crosland, Secretary of State for Education and Science in the Wilson government of 1964 - 1970.
Crosland, public school educated and Oxford, introduced comprehensive education and is reputed to have said ""If it's the last thing I do, I'm going to destroy every f**king grammar school in England. And Wales and Northern Ireland"
I'm not defending grammar schools or attacking comprehensives but I am attacking the hypocrisy inherent in many Labour politicians.
18. alan_540 said...
I find it amusing reading left wing conributors defending Labour policies whilst wishing for a houseprice correction. The inherent hypocrisy is quite undefying to observe.
As you point out, many of the Labour class have benefited from an elitist education that they are set on destroying as an option for the majority whilst ensuring that their progeny have access to it. Likewise private healthcare that MPs enjoy, heaven forfend they use the NHS like the plebs.
19. alan_540 said...
Of course, people like the number cruncher, dbc reid et al, will, no doubt, have sound socialist reasoning for such behaviour.
20. the number cruncher said...
Mr G and alan
the last new labour administration was anything but left wing...
I can still be left wing and want justice for all and equality for all, which is something that the policies of Blair and Brown would never achieve as they where secretly playing into the hands of the wealthy.
But if you whish to tar me with the same brush - perhaps I should tar you two with all of the sins that right wing politics has brought to this world?
I still thing the TA is a dodgy organisation serving the interests of some very dodgy people whose agenda is the very opposite of both right, left and central contributors to this site.
21. alan_540 said...
As normal, number cruncher, nothing but generalities from you. You fail to address any of my points.
22. greenmind said...
The gap between rich and poor grew under the last labour government - not very left wing at all.
23. the number cruncher said...
Alan, you are being obtuse (or extremely thick, I shall let your response help me decide)
I have addressed your points, I am not defending labour as I disagree with the economic policies of new labour and I always have. They did nothing but expand money supply, while avoiding at all costs taxing wealth. If anything they where worse than the Tories(which is saying something). Nu labour made the poor a little better off, gave us a much better health service and a better eduction system, but at a hideous cost in money supply inflation and a colossal land bubble. It should have been funded through a Land Value Tax and not through credit expansion and taxation on productive labour.
There is no "inherent hypocrisy" in this view - I think you need to loose the enormous chip on your shoulder - it is preventing the functionality of your brain
24. Whatsallthis said...
Perhaps someone might like to consider why the TA is silent on the many thousands and thousands of bankers whose salaries are state-funded, whilst pointing out the high salaries of others that are not state funded.