Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010
China to lead world in fraudulent research by 2020
Telegraph: China to lead world research by 2020
The whole article is junk save for the comedy at the end. Check it out:
"Thomas Reuters called China's Growth (In peer reviewed journal articles) "awe inspiring" although he acknowledged that the value of the findings by its scientists was "rather mixed".
When he says rather mixed, he really means fraudulent, but what the heck, this is journalism after all!
Its like sure, China is producing more widgets, and its government are paying more men to shovel dirt, but are the widgets any good, and are their government projects producing any value? To date, much of this "production" has been funded by the US Government's borrowing, which has let the Yuan remain artificially low, which is the only way that rubbish Chinese imports have been able to displace quality US and European production.
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1. freemanphil said...
Communist Scientists lead the world in Junk Science and comedy for elitists.
Isn't this just an example of why the Chinese "Miracle" is just nonsense? Since when did we expect Communist China to lead us out into recovery and a new dawn. This really is a microsm of the entire business model based on building up China at our expense, sucking in junk imports with debt that is purchased by China to keep its currency cheap, to subsidize imports bought with debt, and on, and on, and on, with householders tricked into the system with cheap loans for houses that aren't worth 1/4 of what they believe. Ever felt like you were living in a huge social experiment, social construct and a lie?!
2. rumble said...
"Ever felt like you were living in a huge social experiment, social construct and a lie?!"
Yes.
"Wake up, Neo."
3. quiet guy said...
What is the point of this posting? China's industrial development will undoubtedly reap rewards in the future. Whatever you may not like about the Chinese approach to life, they aren't going to go away anytime soon and their scientific expertise will probably improve with time. It seems rather ironic that you should accuse China of 'fraudulent' research so recently after the Climategate scandal.
"Since when did we expect Communist China to lead us out into recovery and a new dawn."
They're not trying to help us. They're trying to help themselves. For the West to call Chinese "Communist" at a time when Western governments are directly interfering with their economies is also a bit much.
Another view:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA-EWctDE4E
4. icarus said...
Don't underestimate Chinese products. I don't know about original research (though they've certainly got the numbers in the relevant disciplines) but where they're good is putting high technology into products at a cheap price and offering variety, customisation and speciality products without the price premium that western compnies charge for those things.. Look where they're going with shipping containers, high performance computers, medical imaging (ask GE and Siemens what the Chinese have done to their markets) and other industries. They take existing technology, especially in ICT, and recombine it into new, affordable products, using modularity and open architecture to mix'n'match, so the customer can plug'n'play and isn't a slave to some proprietary system that's milked to death by the company that owns it. With those strategies what counts is low-cost Chinese engineering of products that meet a market need - that's at least as much a key as original research.
5. Crunchy said...
3. quiet guy said..."Since when did we expect Communist China to lead us out into recovery and a new dawn."
When we realised that most of our pro globalisation leaders along with EU bureaucrats were either communist and or marxist?
6. mountain goat said...
Many Chinese scientists have been trained at the best research institutes in the world. In my field they are highly respected for their abilities in maths and statistics. We were all in shocked awe at recent news that the Beijing Genomics Institute had bought 128 of the latest genome sequencers (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601202&sid=ap.ti6QoWMyg). It took us a few years of preparation and grant applications to buy just two recently at our university! With this kind of investment their star is rising.
7. freemanphil said...
What you forget, is that our Marxist governments have stolen our money and, redistributed it to their pet Marxist project, China. This is achieved by borrowing money from the Chinese to buy Chinese goods, with the profit from that being used to buy UK Debt to keep down the Chinese currency to keep the merry go round happening. We never needed to borrow any money to buy anything from China because we used to produce lots of stuff. Its all a big fraud, and, it helps to prop up the Communist government over there to help keep those poor people in tyranny. They aren't even allowed to pro-create without government approval, and the Chinese Govt trades in organs from the many people it executes for doing things like posting the stuff I'm writing right now.
If the UK and US stopped printing money and selling debt to China, and let the Yuan appreciate, the Chinese people would finally have purchasing power and build a middle class that would challenge the Red Bejing elite. So this is just as much about destroying British productivity as it is about propping up a failed Marxist model, and socialists need to destroy Capitalism everywhere to sustain socialism anywhere because it is less productive and always looses out in the long run. That is why America is being destroyed at this present moment, because when it was free, it amassed over 90% of the world's capital, because capital fled tyranny to seek freedom and property rights.
And yes, most of the stuff they produce is junk. Just look at the 10x more quality you find in the average second hand store, all of the good stuff was made in Britain.
8. Alan Lubin said...
iPhone, PS3, Nike, large amounts of the designer goods industry are all made in China. Yes, some of the stuff they produce is junk. Some of the stuff they produce ranks amongst the best brands in the world. Falling into the trap of dismissing China as simply a producer of junk kinda misses the point - they produce everything.
9. cat and canary said...
hmm, not so convinced by this argument. Money, number of people and facilities doesn´t necessarily make good research, but it helps. But good innovation is often about solving problems on a budget. China has a role to play for sure, but sometimes huge companies with huge R&D budgets stifle innovation.
10. mark wadsworth said...
All these stories about Chinese growth are hokum.
A century ago, China & Taiwan were level pegging. The Chinese went for Communism and Taiwan went for capitalism (and Land Value Tax!) so China went backwards and Taiwan went forwards. Per capita GDP in China is still only a quarter of that in Taiwan.
/ends.
11. icarus said...
China has over 400 million people working on the land, often subsistence stuff. Obviously this brings down per capital GDP. It would still be a mistake to ignore the strategies of innovative Chinese companies that have broken into world markets in a big way over the past 10-15 years and are increasingly moving away from low-end, dumb supplier status. Many are threatening those western companies which thought they could 'move up the value chain' and supply a cosy niche and charge a premium for doing so. It's also easier than it used to be to build distribution chains and find retail outlets (modularity and substitutabilty can apply in transport and distribution as much as in development and production, and retailers are getting bigger and more centralised - Wal-Mart, Carrefour etc.), so a company that wants to grow onto the world stage no longer has to spend decades building up supply chains and outlets and a proprietary set of black boxes. Thrusting Chinese companies (admittedly a small minority currently) are taking advantage of these factors. Lots of examples - check them out in 'Dragons at your Door' by Ming Zeng et al (Harvard University Press).