Thursday, Jul 02, 2009
Could we see negative IR in the UK?
Mish: Sweden Cuts Deposit Rate to NEGATIVE .25%
There has been a lot of ludicrous recommendations recently to combat deflation by making deposit rates negative. I did not think any central bank would be dumb enough to try it. I thought wrong. Today, Riksbank, Sweeden's central bank cut the deposit rate to -0.25% effectively charging savers interest on deposited money.
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1. devo said...
6 banks have failed so far today in the USA.
Forgive the off-topicness.
2. mander said...
After 10 years of nationalised banking Sweden has come up with negative rate in order to make people go out and buy: eventually gold because Sweden will come with another idea soon: Spend your Swedish krona within a month or the kronas will have expired.
3. Devo said...
Today, Riksbank, Sweeden's central bank cut the deposit rate to -0.25% effectively charging savers interest on deposited money
Why would any bank say, "We don't want your money"?
4. devo said...
Today, Riksbank, Sweeden's central bank cut the deposit rate to -0.25% effectively charging savers interest on deposited money
Why would a bank say "We don't want your money"?
5. little professor said...
The central bank doesn't want your money - it wants you to spend it to stimulate the economy
6. devo said...
"it wants you to spend it to stimulate the economy"
That might work if your money is deposited in a central bank.
7. gone-to-colombia said...
A kind of legal theft
8. devo said...
"A kind of legal theft"
Yeah, a bit like taxes really.
9. gone-to-colombia said...
Yes, but a new departure in the art of removing cash from the innocent to pay for the witless and culpable behaviour of the guilty.
Attempted in other circumstances and there would be riots in the streets.
10. devo said...
"removing cash from the innocent to pay for the witless and culpable behaviour of the guilty"
Do you mean...
"removing cash from the plebeians to pay for the witless and culpable behaviour of the financiers"?
Confusing, isn't it?
11. dbc reed said...
@mander
The idea of your bank notes expiring at the end of the month was proposed by Silvio Gesell and put into operation successfully in Worgl
and Swanenkirchen in the Austrian Tyrol in the 30's.Reputable economist Irving Fisher backed the idea in the US where voluntary associations issued "Stamp scrip" as it was called.Not as daft as it looks: it does n't increase the quantity of money,just speeds up the velocity of existing money.Mind you Gesell believed you should also nationalise all land values otherwise his" freed money" would just put up land values and property prices.Keynes who was bowled over by Gesell's monetary reforms could n't see any point in Gesell's ideas about land which he described as of secondary interest and derived from Henry George.
12. refusetobuy said...
This stops Sweden's banks depositing money at the central bank, so they have to put it elsewhere, like into the economy.
Normal people are unaffected.
13. mark said...
I will give any swedish investor %0.20 if they invest their money in my bank "bank of mark"
14. Rob said...
sorry to interupt but the Swedish Central Bank has not cut the rate to minus 0.25%, but it has been cut to plus 0.25%...
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aNEROPoohiUI
15. Theemperorhasnoclothes said...
mark ...
careful now! ... is your "bank of mark" keeping the money in Krona or in £ sterling?
If the latter you could be paying them back more tha %0.2 !!
16. 51ck-6-51x said...
Total rubish; Mish is stirring.
Sweden's central bank's bank repo rate is at 0.25%, not -0.25%.
The real rate is most likely negative due to inflation, but that is a mute point, since a negative real rate will certainly encourage investment, which is what the real economy needs in a recession ( another way is by state spending as seen elsewhere ) - it's no good everyone hoarding all their cash, therefore when this starts happening there needs to be incentive to invest, which in turn should create jobs ( "should", since this also depends upon other things such as regulatory or tax arbitrage, which may distort the market and encourage inefficient allocation of capital, which may not create jobs. )
Oh and if anywhere has any clue about cleaning up after a banking crisis it is Sweden!