Saturday, Jul 04, 2009

Austrian Economics Seminar... sort of.

You Tube: Peter Schiff explains the economic meltdown

interesting 4 parts . These are the others : (part 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YmfkyQVCvs&feature=related ; (part 3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrHeoFoABgs ;(part4) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MsgzcyOgMg

Posted by techieman @ 06:12 PM (605 views) Add Comment

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1. quiet guy said...

It's a slow news day so I guess posting an old Peter Schiff video might be interesting to some bored blog readers. I've been a fan of Schiff for some time now and I'd like to point out some things about Schiff that I think may be useful for understanding where he's coming from.

1) His father, Irwin Schiff, has repeatedly declined to pay income tax as a matter of principle and has been repeatedly jailed for his trouble. There is no suggestion that Irwin Schiff cannot pay his taxes - Irwin Schiff has repeatedly argued that US Federal income tax is illegal and repeatedly been convicted for declining paying income tax as a matter of principle! Aside from the Iwrin Schiff's incredible resistance against 'the system' in the US, you have to wonder what effect this has had upon his sons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irwin_Schiff

2) A major aspect of Peter Schiff's economic ideas (surely derived from his father's teachings) is the importance of avoiding loss of real wealth through inflation. This may seem obvious but I have highlighted it here because it seems to me to be the very core of his ideas and investment strategys.

3) Peter Schiff is a hardcore goldbug who believes that precious metals are the only real money and has contempt for fiat currencies and especially for the Federal Reserve.

4) Peter Schiff would like to see the US return to upholding the Constitution of the United States of America. A detailed discussion of all the problems he has described about the way the USA works today in contrast with their Constitution would be a long and difficult essay but I will say that his observations are often persuasive.

5) Peter Schiff was Ron Paul's economic adviser and is very likely going to put himself forward as a candidate for the Connecticut senate seat.

You may not agree with everything he says (I don't) but I find his ideas quite interesting and a breath of fresh air in comparison with the UK chimps tea party (aka Parliment). He has a blog that some of you might find quite interesting:
http://www.youtube.com/user/SchiffReport

Saturday, July 4, 2009 10:02PM Report Comment
 

2. stillthinking said...

Good post. I never really heard of him before. But, he keeps making the point that savings allow productive investment, or that savings allow debt, but I don't see this is true outside of gold currency. He states savings are a precondition to debt a couple of times, but it seems to me that debt is what creates savings. If somebody doesn't take out a debt then there is nothing to save. Debt comes first.
Also his point about China and Hilary Clinton going out and saying (paraphrased) "you lend us money, and we buy your stuff and you keep your workers in jobs" is criticised by him on the grounds that China should keep their own savings and allow their own workers to buy their own stuff, which he regards as superior because then China has the stuff -and- the jobs.
But China isn't lending the US money. China is accepting dollar IOUs, it -is- different, certainly its true that the US gets the stuff but the Chinese get to hold US debt (and US debt -is- US money).
And there is a reason for that, although maybe China isn't so weak anymore. When the Chinese started to industrialise they lived in a world full of commodities they could not afford and Chinese debt wasn't acceptable for oil or anything else. Even the Chinese didn't want their own currency, and regarded the dollar as the "golden" dollar. They were forced into producing cheap goods for the US as the only way to get their hands on internationally acceptable currency for trade. Maybe they are not in that situation now but they were.
He seems to be arguing that accepting dollar IOUs from the US is a mistake because they are worthless. Of course, if they are deliberately monetised then they are worthless. But if they aren't, then they are not worthless. If the dollar suffers from extreme inflation/hyperinflation, then it will be because the government prints money and gives that money to debtors, or because the US government continues with currency controls to restrict Chinese spending within the UK, rendering their IOUs worthless, or because they pure and simple default. Not because of the fact that they are IOUs. Does anybody think Obama would have a problem if the Chinese started buying American production with these IOUs? No of course not.
I found what he said didn't tally with my understanding of "debt is money" and savings/debt are the opposite side of the same coin. But he is up there with a following, and I am not. I think the original reason why the Chinese were given debt, IOUs (which is money), was to bootstrap a dirt poor country into some kind of modern economy, an attempt which has been quite successful, and avoid the alternative which was a potentially strong dangerous communist country similar to Russia, with all the problems and wars of an ideology clash.

Saturday, July 4, 2009 10:54PM Report Comment
 

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