Sunday, Jun 07, 2009
Ive been saying for a while this is coming...
BBC: BNP wins European Parliament seat
The British National Party has won its first seat in the European Parliament after gaining more than 120,000 votes in the Yorkshire and Humber region.
Now, I hate to be called a racist but ive been saying for 6 months now...too many foreign nationals in the UK, too many poles, englands not got any englishmen in it, poverty breads hatred, can nazi gdermany happen again, if I was a non brit, i'd leave now...well, i thought maybe i was a bit mad...bit now...BNP, increase vote, UKIP, massive gains...that's because....imho...too many foreigners, indian call centers, poverty etc...the UK people speak out...they need to sort it out now...in 5 years times it'll be a lot worse!!!! Jesus, I'm a worried man.
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1. paul said...
Yorkshire and Humber? Including Hartlepool, home of the monkey hangers?
No wonder the BNP got an EU seat there.
2. nubbers said...
OK then, would anyone of West Indian, Canadian, Australian, South African, Norman, Anglo-Saxon or Roman extraction please b****r off and leave the country.
Have I missed anyone out?
3. Hmm said...
Hugenouts, Irish ( that's me, by the way, (ginger and actually indigenous)), other french, Danes, jews, etc, etc. By the way, the HPC site seems to have a worring hint of the BNP about it in a lot of the comments I've been reading over the last few months, with references to Landlords who say "innit" , and in some of the refer4ences to "Sir" Alan. Rasists who think they are using subtle language never are, e.g. terms like ' our coloured friends' These terms are always transparent.
This BNP/UKIP flavour to HPC is no surprise, and this is a serious point, the "oh no, we're doomed new-world order" fever has always been the petri dish of such politics.
Will this get posted?
4. ketha said...
The trouble with this argument is it's untrue... the facts are against it. Foreigners do jobs we're not able to, for pay we're not prepared to, they work hard and study hard. The 'white working class' are falling behind because they've grown lazy on benefits and a system that is too hand-wringing to challenge them to get up off their asses and stop blaming everyone else. Vote BNP if you like, all the 'foreign nationals' will move down south and you'll suffer even more hardship. It's a perception, based on no actual research, and it's a false one.
I mean you know 'india call centers' refers to call centers in India, not call centers in the UK full of indians, right?
5. crashpad4me said...
I have thought for some time that Labour have done to the Conservatives what the Conservatives did to Labour in 1997 - made them electable. Sadly they seem to have achieved the same thing with the BNP.
6. fubar said...
If you've ever read Straw Dogs by John Gray the rise of new kinds of fascism won't be a surprise. Gray is pretty controversial but also pretty sharp in his assessment of people and history. If I remember right he basically says fascism is an inevitable part of ideas of modernity. It happens because of the way the modern Western Industrial society is structured. I agree with him. Progress is an illusion and history isn't much more than an oscillation between times of plenty and peace and times of austerity and war. Nothing changes but the names and the technology available for killing each other. As for the BNP its like people are too thick to be told dogsh1t tastes bad so they're determined to have a nibble to see for themselves.
7. uncle tom said...
Why do poeple make such a fuss about the BNP? - they'd get nowhere if people ignored them.
There's no 'fifth column' lurking in the wings, no Munich putsch waiting to happen - just a few dim thugs; looking for a cause..
- now they've become the party of choice for anyone who want to 'send a message'
8. Gruppenfuhrer said...
It really depresses me when I read people talking of giving up on this country. I am nationalistic in so far as I love Britain as a part of Europe but turning our back on Britain and considering the country with negativity is exactly the sort of void that this group of moronic bigots will fill.
Yes we are in an economic slump, yes house prices are down, yes things could be much much better but we are British and proud and for me at least not in the slightest bit interested in the tripe this group of post operative lobotomites pumps out. This country and economic slump will not be improved by idiots such as these.
As for the impact on house prices - which is afterall what we are here to discuss then Labour's defeat at the next general election is now surely assured. Impact on houses? Conservative administration will increased confidence in the city – an improvement mitigated by a period of belt tightening to choke the Keynesian economy injection. One motor of the economy will replace another. If anything the very will be stalled further in the change of horse. Do not expect houses to rise in the near future. Certainly expect prices to fall further if you have a BNPer in the street.
9. little professor said...
The forums are a BNP-fest at the moment - I'm having to stay away, the unpleasantness turns my stomach
10. techieman said...
im a racist! I dont want any of them damn martians, klingons, romulans, cardassians coming to this planet taking our jobs and marrying our daughters,,
Aside from that i dont know what this is all about - there is only one race on this planet.
11. Gaylidge said...
hitlers nazis got to power with just 22% ofthe vote
the bnp aren't that far off
12. little professor said...
Incidentally the rise of far-right parties at a time of economic depression is a well-known phenomenon. When people are lose their jobs and are struggling to keep a roof over their heads, it's easy picking for xenophobic parties to take advantage, offering simplistic reasons for the problems, such as them 'orrible forruns, coming over here, taking our jobs, whilst somehow also simultaenously sponging off the state and getting thousands of pounds of benefits and luxury housing for free.
It happened in Germany after the hyperinflation of the Weimar republic, in Britain in the stagflation of the 70s, and in countless other examples over the world. Bad times ahead, kupo.
13. alan said...
UT,
There are a lot of folk who want to "send a message". The point I'm making is that nobody is listening in the top echelons of cabinet - its all about THEIR career.
As I write Jane Kennedy (MP for Liverpool) has been sacked for failing to swear loyalty.
When your best friends and your worst enemies are saying the same thing it's time to wake up and smell the coffee!
14. The Number Cruncher said...
I am not a racist but...
The BNP and other facists could bring hell on earth to us all. It only takes an national emergancy and with today's technology mankind could be enslaved.
"First they came…" iby Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
Then they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
I did not protest;
I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out for me.
15. letthemfall said...
I don't accept the idea that there is no progress, but progress has its periodic regressions. Despite the dire backslidings in, for example, 1930s Germany (contrast with 1930s America), I doubt that the motely collection of dimwits, narrow minds and yobs that make up the BNP will have much if any impact on our politics. Although I don't relish the prospect of a Tory govt, which chances are we'll have by next year, I don't think it would be as right-wing as the one of 1979. Well I hope not.
16. fubar said...
Anyone who thinks the BNP aren't a risk need to think about the position of National Socialists in the late 1920's. They were nowhere to be seen and then the economic situation shifted and before you could say " Invade Poland" they had snatched power. Maybe it'll go nowhere but with voter turnout so low anything can happen. Agree regarding the forums - it's thin pickings for rational thinking at the moment. Tho I got myself banned I still check in now and then.
17. fubar said...
Straw Dogs is worth a read letthemfall. Gray is by turns brilliant and infuriating. I used to hate his very bleak outlook but am convinced he's on the money now.
18. contrails are not a conspiracy (formerly npnh) said...
Speaking very simplistically, one way to view the UKIP and BNP advances this week is like this:
The mainstream parties seem to be all about what they can do for them selves and what is good for the parties.
UKIP and BNP seem to be all about what they can do for the country, you and your job.
They may not have proper policies in other areas that matter but no wonder they are doing well when people fear for their job and ability to keep a roof over their heads.
Doesn’t seem like rocket science to me.
But I do find all this fear, aggression and hostility directed towards UKIP and the BNP puzzling.
19. letthemfall said...
fubar
There is a risk that extreme parties get a political hold but I think it is small in this country. The BNP won its first council seat some years ago now but have made little progress in domestic politics. However, we should not be complacent. As for UKIP, that is just a single-interest party that has made itself a focus for the anti-European provincialism fairly common in the UK.
20. techieman said...
"But I do find all this fear, aggression and hostility directed towards UKIP and the BNP puzzling."
Re BNP
"It advocates the repeal of all anti-discrimination legislation, and restricts party membership to "indigenous British ethnic groups deriving from the class of ‘Indigenous Caucasian’". "
Still puzzled?
21. inbreda said...
Why is it that the really dumb and racist comments are made by people whose username is new to me. The regular bloggers on this site are all pretty clued up. As soon as you see a new username (particularly if you never see it again) then the chances are the comment is fugwited. Trolls.
Sadly I think the upsurge in racism is barely even started.
Just yet another reason to get out of the uk.
22. contrails are not a conspiracy (formerly npnh) said...
“Still puzzled?”
What ever happened to rational thinking?
It’s the same as me saying to you I don’t like, identify with or understand your views therefore I’m scared of you therefore I’m going to hate you and shout you down instead of talking to you.
If I shouted at everyone I didn’t like I’d have Tourrettes!
Some of the anti UKIP / BNP rhetoric has been worse than what UKIP and the BNP have been accused of.
i.e Thuggery!
Oh, the irony.
23. fubar said...
Point taken letthemfall, I agree the risk is small. However my own feeling is the rise of parties like the BNP is inevitable at the moment. They are chamyleons (spellage apology - not sure of that one) with a knack for re-invention. We currently have the new touchey-feely BNP that is open to gay people and the sufficiently pale brown. It is cobblers. Fascist parties are like democracy's appendix, useless and sometimes grumbling but if they get inflamed you better be ready to act fast. It's a one-shot deal. The rise of fascism in Germany was almost accidental. But once it had taken hold their brand new democracy was flushed down the bog. It would be the same here, if the BNP got the faintest whiff of real power it'd be lights out for our already ailing democracy in favour of a nightmare worthy of Alan Moore.
24. contrails are not a conspiracy (formerly npnh) said...
Further to what Fubar said at 12:11.
We also have the benefit of hind sight! I couldn’t image anything like Nazi Germany happening again in the west during our life times. We are very sensitive to it as well as still being hopelessly politically correct.
We have more chance of using s2R1’s dark energy devices before we need to start worrying about that scenario.
We just need to keep our heads level.
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26. contrails are not a conspiracy (formerly npnh) said...
Fubar, duuude: Chill out.
It’s not going to come to anything. I can hear the fear and hatred in your voice.
The only thing that might happen if UKIP gain any more power down the line is us moving away from Europe.
It’s going to be OK!
27. fubar said...
Give it a rest with the online cod psychology contrials. You can't hear anything at all in my voice least of all hatred. I assume from your tone you are one of the party faithful. Shame - you seem like such a rational young woman normally.
28. contrails are not a conspiracy (formerly npnh) said...
Yawn.
29. techieman said...
I have a friend who is south African. He came here because although he is white he failed the pencil test.
"If the authorities had doubt as to the color of a persons skin, they would resort to a "pencil in hair test". A pencil was pushed in the hair, and if it remained in the persons hair without dropping, it signified frizzy hair, the person would then be classified as colored. If the pencil dropped out the person would be classified as white."
http://www.rebirth.co.za/apartheid_and_immorality2.htm
perhaps if the BNP got in we would have a similar test?
Get ready with your ceramic hair straightener miss C!!!
30. letthemfall said...
Better Not Perm?
31. sold out said...
Well said Techieman.
The increase in votes for BNP thugs is a real worry.
However i guess its Democracy working and most of these where a protest vote against sleazy mainstream parties and unelected Brown.
If the unthinkable happens and the BNP where to become a mainstream party, then I for one will become an Immigrant myself and leave this wonderful country.
Contrails...........
Anti BNP Rhetoric is not the same as Thuggery.As Techieman says "there is only one race on this planet"
The BNP should be resisted at all costs, they are the same old loons from the NF days of the 70,s cleverly playing on peoples fears and prejudices.
32. contrails are not a conspiracy (formerly npnh) said...
Sond out.....
I think you misunderstand me.
I’m not advocating any party. I’m just saying the BNP will NEVER come to anything.
No need to panic.
33. contrails are not a conspiracy (formerly npnh) said...
Sorry I meant Sold out.... (not Sond - typo!)
34. sold out said...
i sincerely hope they NEVER come to anything too, if people stop being active and vocal against them and become complacent then there is a slim chance they may rise to power one day, god help us all if that happens.
I do not sense any panic, it is well known that many used this as a protest against Nu Labour, but right minded (not right wing) people must continue to resist them and all they stand for.
35. ted the red said...
Its only just started.
The Conservatives when elected will cause an economic meltdown with their Maggie style slashing of public expenditure.
As always, the people shafted by them will look for a solution to the extremes, their belief in mainstream parties will be shattered.
36. Long Time Watching said...
Sorry to say I think .35 Ted is correct with his prediction. From my view point on the continent I can also sadly report that far right support is growing very fast. The UK media has not or maybe will not report this but almost every nights news over here has a report on the rising tide of hard line fascism. No country is free from it and fleeing the UK will be like jumping from the frying pan into the fire at the moment. To be fair the BNP comes across very well compared to some of the groups over here, maybe the softening of there stance has made them a little more credible to voters. Let us hope that as they gain support they will soften even more.
37. gone-to-colombia said...
Into the vacuum of popular political parties enter the BNP.
When established political become decadent, greedy, corrupt and ignore common concerns the voters seek out parties like the BNP.
The attraction of the BNP will become greater as the recession takes hold, simple solutions have always been an attractive resolution to complicated problems.
Around year ago it was suggested by government statisticians that the population of the UK would rise by 20 million, mainly from immigration. This revelation must have been a deep shock to the collective psyche of the nation.
Could it be that yesterday's election results were the inevitable result?
And if voters balk at the thought of this influx, we should not blame them, for while politicians airily consider an increase in the population of such a vast proportion the public understand its significance.
Could it be that our liberal policies towards immigration represent the illogical conclusion of a logical argument?
38. fubar said...
Not all of the parties have "liberal policies on immigration" UKIP have a policy as do the Tories without going all neofascist. People are also culpable for what's happening. If politicians are more decadent greedy etc. then it is because people's apathy has allowed it. Most people in this country couldn't care less about politics most of the time. They barely batted an eyelid when they were making cash out of nonsense like HPI. Some knew that the sale of social housing was a disaster. Others warned about the effects of globalisation and unfettered profiteering. Voting BNP is the lazy bastards response. Blaming immigration after years of apathy is a joke. Sheeple doing what they do best - bleating that they're entitled to things and someone owes them a life. Listening to the whingers about immigration is like listening to a spoilt brat scream when it doesn't get its own way. You want to eat dogsh1t be my guest.
39. shipbuilder said...
When we are told from birth that life is a competition and that we must fear those around us, there are inevitable consequences.
40. shipbuilder said...
The idea that you share something in common with the millions of strangers on this side of a line on a map and not those on the other side, is a useful one. But useful for who?
41. Frogger said...
The mainstream parties don't touch the issue of immigration with a bargepole because they are scared of being called racist - the spineless goons. The BNP don't care about that - they are proud to be racist - so because they're the only party to talk about immigration, tens of thousands of people vote for them. It's not hard to see why.
Moderate parties can easily diffuse the BNP by stealing their clothes: Bring net immigration down to zero and the BNP will get back into their teapots.