Tuesday, Mar 10, 2009
Brown pushed for an apology
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Gordon Brown has said he takes responsibility "for everything that's happened" in his time in office - but again declined to apologise for the economic crisis. Skip related content
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1. happy mondays said...
Please do not apologies, just step down and do something constructive with your life...
2. Liddiard said...
I am still confused by most people's attitudes, on the one hand we want to blame the PM or indeed ANYONE for the mess we are in, but on the other we want lending, especially mortgage lending to go back to 2007 levels, and article after article seems to say that IF ONLY LENDING RESUMES we will all live happily ever after. So am I the ONLY ONE that can see that it was IRRESPONSIBLE LENDING the kind of lending the press seems to imply the UK wants to see back, that led to a 190% increase in property prices, therefore to irresponsible lending because nobody could afford to buy property sensibly and to a trillion pounds worth of debt ? Even if the news item above, the PM says the lenders should have been regulated yet says we will get them all lending again. Northern Rock (thread last week on loan to income ratios) are lending at 3.5 I believe,(sensible lending) , they are also about to lend 90% mortgages (irresponsible lending given that even RICS said today 50% falls by the end of the year). So at 3.5 loan to income ratios even with a 10% deposit, average wage £24000(2.5 loan to income for two wages if it is higher than 3.5 one), is it not clear even to EVERYONE just how much house prices are going to have to fall AND STAY FOR A LONG TIME TO COME ? I personally look forward to the day when we finally start hearing house much property prices are going to have to fall and stay and STOP hearing all this rubbish about if only mortgage lending could be increased. Even if there was a trillion pounds there to lend, as long as we now stick to lending sensibly (which surely there cannot be any doubt in anyone's mind the UK MUST ), property prices are going to have to fall in line with income. 190% increase in a decade should have taken 40 years, it will be years and years before property prices go up to 2007 levels and only the in line with income
3. shining wit said...
Why on earth would he apologise? Everyone can see that their has been absolutely no boom and bust.
A few minor banking problems as a result of minor forays into the US sub-prime market, that's all.
It'll all be over by Christmas, you mark my words.....A lot of fuss and bluster, nothing more.
4. Pete said...
But seriously, he's a smart guy. Didn't help my family any by stopping buy to let landlords taking advantage of me in the way i would liked but despite thatshe's the right man, in the right place at the right time. He should knock out an apology just to placate all the simplistic sheep people out there that think this crisis is all his fault. Come of it people, 14 years of growth is the type mistake that mere mortals like Ken Clarke and that cute (in a simple but dum way) puppy Osbourne could only hope to emulate.
ps. I am in awe at how the Tory press machine sways the masses.
5. Eyes_wide_open said...
Nice to meet you Pete the Troll. I'd prefer Browns resignation rather than an apology.
6. d'oh said...
Pete: The problem is that it wasn't 14 years of real economic growth...mostly it was just growth in credit availability, which gave the appearance of growth.
Liddiard: Yep, the problem is we are painted into a corner. 2007 levels of lending are not sane nor sustainable. The problem is that the PM, as Chancellor, did not try to prevent this bubble from getting started...in fact he encouraged it.
7. sold out said...
he wont apologise because if he does then he would never stop saying sorry.
sorry for selling half our Gold on the cheap.
sorry for stealing our pensions
sorry for allowing uncontrollable immigration
sorry for a tax credit system that doesn't deliver
the list is endless.
Forget the apologies just Call an election Gordon the game is up.
8. inbreda said...
Well - it would have been nice to hear an apology before kicking the fat git off a hanging stool, but as long as he accepts responsibility we can get on with the hanging, apology or no.
9. Daniel said...
I cant stand the way the establishment shield themselves. The police, politicians, council workers, civil servants.
If we had accountability in this country, then maybe we would have serious people in office. N
ot slime balls who, can destroy peoples lives, and the worst thing they have to do is to make a public apology.
Its a disgrace and a joke. And it will never change.
10. timmy t said...
Liddiard - no you are not the only one. Pretty much everyone on this site has been blaming GB's policy of low interest rates and stupid lending for about 5 years now... It's just the press and desperate borrowers who have over mew'd that want lending to go up.
11. jack c said...
TRY THIS ONE from www.rip-off.co.uk/docs/Gordon_Brown.pdf
The Right Honourable
Gordon Brown MP
10 Downing Street,
London
SW1A 2AA
Sunday, 15 February 2009
Prime Minister
An open letter demanding your resignation.
Your position is untenable and, I as a citizen of Great Briton demand your
instant resignation.
You are unelected, have no popular mandate and lack the moral authority
to be Prime Minister. Your terms as Chancellor and Prime Minister have
been a total disaster for this nation and your attempt to cling on to power
at all costs show a complete contempt for this nation and displays your
absolute vanity and thirst for political power.
I list below some of the mistakes made by you during your time in public
office. If as a director of a limited company you had made similar mistakes
you would be subject to criminal prosecution and banned from being a
company director. As a Government minister the standards exercised
should be significantly higher than those exercised by a company director,
you have failed to maintain those standards and are unfit for public office.
? Banking Supervision: You transferred responsibility for banking
supervision to the Financial Services Authority from the Bank of
England so directly laying the seeds of the current banking crisis.
? Banking Crisis: The initial response to the Northern Rock crisis was so
slow as to be glacial and ultimately led to the damage done to the
whole banking sector. A strong Prime Minister would have provided
depositors with a guarantee that their deposits were safe and the
bank run would have stopped. Ultimately the same guarantee would
have ensured that the HBOS and RBS debacle would not have been
so severe.
? Criminal Negligence: The entire UK banking crisis has been caused by
a lack of supervision under the regulatory regime set up by you, any
man of honour would have resigned upon seeing the damage caused.
You however have tried to blame everyone else and accept no
responsibility. You are criminally negligent.
? Vanity: You have used the banking crisis to attempt to advance your
personal standing and political career at the expense of the nation.
? Lack of Judgment: You have made three serious errors of judgment
in your appointment of advisers on the current financial crisis.
1. Your choice of banker to compile a report on ideas for improving
public health was Sir Derek Wanless. a Northern Rock director when
it imploded in 2007.
2. You appointed Sir James Crosby, the former HBOS CEO, to the board
of the FSA who then had to resign after becoming embroiled in the
row over failings of risk management at HBOS.
3. It now also appears that Glen Moreno will be forced out of his job, as
chairman of UK Financial Investments Ltd, the company set up to
oversee the government’s stake in the bailed-out banks, because of
his links with a Liechtenstein trust accused of tax evasion.
? You Fantasize: By clinging to the idea that, thanks to your genius British
citizens are far better placed than competitors to handle this crisis. The
following two facts demonstrate that this is a fantasy:-
1. The Office for National Statistics' revelation that while the number of
foreign workers getting jobs in the UK continues to grow (up by
175,000 to 2.4 million last year), domestic unemployment is rising
sharply.
2. According to Business Monitor International, a research company
specialising in country risk, "Britain is facing an unprecedented fall in
its economic world ranking from 12th place in 2007 to 21st in
2010". "Despite enjoying 11 years of growth between 1997 and
2007, the UK ran a budget deficit of 1.7 per cent of GDP over this
period, fuelling a fiscal time bomb. Faced with the financial burden of
bailing out the banking sector and kick-starting the economy, the
budget deficit will swell to an unsustainable 9.3 per cent of GDP in
2009."
? Public spending: Your 2000 Spending Review presaged a major
expansion of government spending, without any significant benefit to
public services, directly leading to the UK being in the worst shape of
any industrialised nation to weather the current financial crisis.
? You have colluded in hiding the full extent of public borrowing by using
PFI initiatives to hide the borrowings off balance sheet. PFI is the most
expensive and inefficient form of finance possible, and you have
saddled the country with a debt that you cannot even quantify. Jeremy
Pocklington, leader of the Treasury’s corporate and private finance
team, could only give a rough estimate to Richard Bacon that the total
liabilities, but not debt, from the vast majority of PFIs, but not all, from
2006-07 to 2032-33, but not beyond, is £157.9bn. That is not only
astounding but unbelievable.
? Public sector Employment: The office for national Statistics shows
Public sector employment was 5,846,000 (20.4 per cent of all in
employment) in June 2005, 680,000 (13.2 per cent) higher than in June
1998, whereas from 1998 to 2005 private sector employment only rose
by 1,241,000 (5.7 per cent). This growth is unsustainable and wrong.
? Growth: An OECD report shows UK economic growth averaged 2.7%
between 1997 and 2006, lower than in any other English
speaking country.
? Gold sales: Between 1999 and 2002 you sold 60% of the UK's gold
reserves at $275 an ounce, close to a 20-year low, a disastrous foray into
international asset management.
? Your spectrum auctions gathered £22.5 billion for the government
which caused a severe recession in the telecoms development industry
leading to the direct loss of 30,000 UK jobs. Two auctions were run in
the USA, the first being cancelled and re-run (for less revenue) due to
damage caused to the industry. The Americans realised their mistake
and tried to rectify it. The British and German chancellors copied the
North American first auction; which had failed. To copy a failed
economic model is normally considered a serious error of judgement.
? Your East Coast Mainline franchise auction led directly to the demise of
GNER, an excellent company, which was replaced by National Express
who offer East Coast mainline users a significantly poorer service. Your
duty was not only to maximise revenues, you also had a duty to the
shareholders, employees and customers which you completely failed.
? Anti-poverty: The Centre for Policy Studies found that the poorest fifth
of households, which accounted for 6.8% of all taxes in 1996–7,
accounted for 6.9% of all taxes paid in 2004-5. Meanwhile, their share
of state benefit payouts dropped from 28.1% to 27.1% over the same
period.
? Tax: According to the OECD UK taxation has increased from a 39.3%
share of gross domestic product in 1997 to 42.4% in 2006, going to a
higher level than Germany. This increase has mainly been attributed to
active government policy, and not simply to the growing economy.
? You pledged to not increase the basic or higher rates of income tax
however in all but your final budget, you only increased the tax
thresholds in line with inflation, rather than earnings, resulting in fiscal
drag.
? You abolished the 10% tax band so that you could reduce the basic rate
from 22% to 20%, to make it look like you were decreasing taxes.
However in fact it led to increased tax for 5 million people, and, left
those earning under £18,000 as the biggest losers.
? Pensions: Your changes in 1997 in the way corporation tax is collected,
directly led to the taxation of dividends on stock investments held
within pensions, thus lowering pension returns and contributing to the
demise of most of the final salary pension funds in the UK.
? This act alone has single handedly damaged the pension of every
person with a pension in the UK but also saddled UK corporations with
a an ever growing pension liability, so much so that many companies
futures are imperilled by these debts.
? Falsehoods: You used the Laura Spence Affair to beat up Oxford and
Cambridge about their admissions procedures, Lord Jenkins, then
Oxford Chancellor and himself a former Labour Chancellor of the
Exchequer, said "nearly every fact you used was false.
? Inappropriate links: Given the finding that the government did not
carry a proper public consultation on the use of nuclear power in its
2006 Energy Review, your brother Andrew’s is links to one of the main
nuclear lobbyists, EDF Energy could be construed as inappropriate.
? The father-in-law of your closest adviser Ed Balls, Tony Cooper (father
of the Labour minister Yvette Cooper) has close links with the nuclear
industry. Cooper was described as an "articulate, persuasive and wellinformed
advocate of nuclear power over the last ten years" by the
Nuclear Industry Association on his appointment as Chairman of the
British Nuclear Industry Forum in June 2002.
? IraqWar: You supported British involvement in the Iraq War against the
wishes of the UK population and helped to justify that involvement by
publishing false intelligence. This war has directly increased the odds of
terrorist attacks on British subjects and the financial cost has had a
significantly detrimental effect on the British economy.
? Military Covenant: You have not adhered to the 'military covenant',
leading to a significant decline in the moral of the armed forces due to
poor housing, lack of equipment and adequate healthcare provisions.
The lack of equipment has directly led to an increase in the loss of lives,
and serious injuries, compounded by a lack care following serious
injury.
? The 15% VAT Rate: introduced to counter the effects of recession
demonstrated a total naivety and breathtaking stupidity. Far from
digging the nation out of a hole, it has saddled the country with a huge
unsustainable debt.
? No one should benefit from failure: You have on numerous occasions
stated that no one should benefit from failure, however your tenure as
chancellor was universally recognised as a failure, but you were
rewarded with the Premiership and had the gall to accept.
? There will be no more Boom & Bust: In your hubris you made a
statement that was patently untrue, and counter to any economic
theory. You either knew that statement to be untrue and lied or if you
believed it then you clearly demonstrated your foolishness and proved
that you were unfit for office.
? The UK is in a better position than any other developed country: this
again is completely untrue, we have more than double the debt per
head of population than any other country in Europe.
? Public Services: You have destroyed Public Services by a raft of
inappropriate targets, which have led to resources being wasted by the
attempts to meet those targets.
? Surveillance society: You have presided over and led to the creation of
a surveillance society in which any perceived wrongdoing is used as a
pretext to pass oppressive laws. You and your predecessor have both
single headedly succeeded in making the UK an unpleasant place to live
in.
These are but a small sample of your failings any of which make you unfit
for public office and for which you should immediately resign. You sir are a
fraud and I am forwarding this letter to as many people as I can, via the
internet in an effort to shame you into accepting your failures.
Yours faithfully