Friday, Nov 21, 2008
yes give to people who dont pay tax....as per usual
dailymail: Fury over £100million plan for hundreds of gipsy sites across the country
Towns and villages across England are bracing themselves for 'bombshell' news on the location of hundreds of new and upgraded gipsy and traveller camps.
Work on some of the proposed 7,500 extra pitches will get the go-ahead within weeks under a controversial £97million scheme.
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1. d'oh said...
If people wish to live this way, fine and I would hope that there was policing so that no one is excluded from these sites. But unless they pay council tax, why should others foot the bill?
2. mark wadsworth said...
As with most planning decisions, this is a job for Land Value Tax-man.
Think about it. If the council only has one main source of income - LVT, would it give permission for a gypsy site anywhere near existing houses/businesses? Probably not - it might collect a few hundred quid LVT from the gypsies (LVT = effectively a tax on planning permission, which in turn makes up 99% of land values) (OK, it would try and collect it and fail miserably) but as surrounding properties would plummet in value, the council would know that if they allowed such a site, overall, their revenues would drop. So they wouldn't do it.
Conversely, if a farmer has a field miles away from anywhere, he could get permission for the site quite easily - the council collects a ew hundred quid LVT from the farmer, and, as there aren't any surrounding properties, there's no fall in LVT receipts to worry about it.
Here endeth.
3. alan said...
I don't know why but most NuLabour Councillors and MPs I've known seem to take a fiendish delight in paying out cash to people who don't pay any tax and them going to the taxpayers and telling them what they've done with a big smile on their faces. They seem to get a kick out of it.
Am I unusual? Perhaps its just me that notices these things?
4. cornishman said...
I wouldn't get too hung up on the tax side of this - the question to ask is why is this being done now? And in such a rush?
"will get the go-ahead within weeks"
Couldn't be because cheap caravans are the only places a lot of people will be able to afford to live, very soon. Could it?
5. Letsgetreadytotumble said...
Well, do they win some more Labour votes from the gypos? Are the sites in Tory strongholds? I remember the eco towns with their 30% social housing, where 11 of the 12 were to be built in Tory strongholds. I wondering if this is the sane kind of thing.
6. theboltonfury said...
Cornish are you linking that to repossessions?
7. d'oh said...
cornishman - I expect you are correct and implied that in my initial post (the bit about no one being excluded).
8. cornishman said...
repossessions, lost jobs, people looking for a way to survive/house their families with little cash etc...
I suppose though, thinking about it, it's giving the Government too much credit for forward thinking to imagine that they are doing this now to prepare for a big expansion of alternative lifestyles resulting from the economic downturn.
9. theboltonfury said...
I guess trailer parks are not a new concept in other industrialised countries
10. mountain goat said...
The Daily Mail is furious, what a surprise
11. Eternal Sceptic said...
Word of one of these sites in an area will make properties freefall. And why should this .ortof money be spent on people totally outside the system. Do they tax, mot and insure their vehicles, do they pay tax? The police are terrified of policing them.
Another nu labour example of idiocy. Many conventional caravan mobile home sites have clauses preventing year around habitation.
Does this apply to these sites-of course not. Does your local labour mp live next door to one of these proposed sites. of course not.
12. Kruador said...
This is the Daily Fail, I need a reputable source.
13. musn't grumble said...
Perhaps our only chance of an affordable home is to buy a caravan and apply for one of these sites.
14. drewster said...
The winter heating costs in a poorly-insulated caravan must be astronomical, surely?
15. musn't grumble said...
That's alright, I'm sure we will be able to thieve some wood from somewhere.
16. enuii said...
Drewster, not really because you are only heating a relatively small volume of air and the low mass of the caravan itself plus modern caravans are actually quite well insulated due to the nature of their construction. Park home (portakabin) type statics have an amazing structural design life of 50 years which is probably better than a modern Barratt built apartment!
17. Quad said...
could be a real growth area selling campers.
18. planning4acrash said...
The worse thing about this is, that Council's may have a statutory duty to expropriate private land, even people's houses and gardens, to make way for gypsy sites.
If government ended food and agriculture controls, they gypsy's could afford their own sites and start growing veggies on significant sites. So could we.