Friday, Sep 19, 2008

Paulson and Bernanke presented a "chilling" picture of the state of the financial system

washington post: Citing Grave Financial Threats, Officials Ready Massive Rescue

The Bush administration is urgently preparing a massive intervention to revive the U.S. financial system, including a plan to sweep away the unpaid loans that are choking banks and blocking the flow of money to borrowers.
The plan involves using hundreds of billions of dollars in government funding to buy bad loans, leaving banks with more money and fewer problems, according to two sources familiar with what was said at the meeting.

Posted by malct @ 01:30 PM (910 views) Add Comment

19 Comments

1. renting2 said...

This will turn out to be the most stupendously expensive roll of wallpaper and pot of wallpaper paste.

Friday, September 19, 2008 01:36PM Report Comment
 

2. Planning4acrash said...

Welcome to the United Socialist States of America (USSA)

Friday, September 19, 2008 01:46PM Report Comment
 

3. planning4acrash said...

Welcome to the United Socialist States of America (USSA)

Friday, September 19, 2008 01:47PM Report Comment
 

4. alan said...

FTSE 100 up 425 points at 1.50pm - that's about 8.75% on the day.

If the US are spending all that cash, I'll join them in spending my pounds, but I'll buy more gold.

Friday, September 19, 2008 01:53PM Report Comment
 

5. i-cld-murder-a-blt said...

I have some monopoly money if they want that too.

Friday, September 19, 2008 01:56PM Report Comment
 

6. mrmickey said...

Bail out works hyperinflation, bail out fails massive deflation, I think that about covers it.

Friday, September 19, 2008 02:08PM Report Comment
 

7. jack c said...

6. mrmickey said...Bail out works hyperinflation, bail out fails massive deflation, I think that about covers it.

If it half works you get Stagflation

Friday, September 19, 2008 03:15PM Report Comment
 

8. mrmickey said...

Jack c I think we've already got that, their obviously trying to go for the hat trick.

Friday, September 19, 2008 03:25PM Report Comment
 

9. beartil2010 said...

It's like the old quote 'your statistics tell me that with my left foot encased in ice and my right foot on fire I should be comfortable' or whatever. All the different financial nightmares at once, and with the Fed and Gordon Brown at the bow of the ship, who knows where we're going to go?

No one can predict anything - while I'm mixing my metaphors

Friday, September 19, 2008 03:58PM Report Comment
 

10. plato said...

Question from ordinary mankind:
This is all very strange! Are they trying to save the Economy or the Banks? Or are they one and the same thing?...... I'm confused.....Will this save the Economy?

Friday, September 19, 2008 04:27PM Report Comment
 

11. beartil2010 said...

No, it will not save the economy. If it 'saves' any banks, it only saves them from going bust, allowing them to run on as they are now, insolvent with a load of depreciating assets but able to hide it. It also creates even more moral hazard by allowing the banks to continue to run whilst creating this environment in the first place.

What it does do is move more of the total share of money into the hands of banks and rich people over the poor. It also creates an extra tax burden on the man in the street; and on top of that, if we manage to avoid deflation, it will create massive inflation with the volume of money being increased hugely.

It's either a plan for idiots by idiots, or a plan by scum to save their scum mates, depending on how you look at it.

Friday, September 19, 2008 04:32PM Report Comment
 

12. amjidk said...

i wander how this will affect the fall in house prices??

Friday, September 19, 2008 04:32PM Report Comment
 

13. beartil2010 said...

Not much. There isn't enough money in the world to cancel out the depreciation of the assets.

The American banks were still happy to lend to people - it's the people that have stopped paying and started defaulting. They are still defaulting on the loans, and the employment picture is not getting better, but worse.

Even if banks start to be able to lend a bit more, it might just slow things down, but it won't stop a crash. I can't picture loads of people running out to buy houses right now.

Besides, the Congress has said they won't do anything this legislative session - ie. for the next few months - although who knows they might change their mind!

Friday, September 19, 2008 04:37PM Report Comment
 

14. letthemfall said...

What is the implication of the US govt buying all this bad debt? Where is the money coming from? Fed funds? - a collapse in govt spending elsewhere? Or is it "new" money? What will this do to inflation? Or is there a magic box full of cash somewhere? I must admit, I don't understand this.

Friday, September 19, 2008 05:32PM Report Comment
 

15. plato said...

11. beartil2010

Thankyou for your clear and well defined answers. This is what the man in the street needs. It's all very well for the more technically minded of us to talk shop, but I am sure many viewers of this sight are often lost and just sigh! Unable to blog and somewhat confused.
I'm sure in general(in the world of economics) this will go a long way to curing the ignorance we speak of regarding the general public, who I am sure are beginning to want to understand.
Once again : Thankyou for taking the trouble to explain.

Friday, September 19, 2008 06:05PM Report Comment
 

16. plato said...

letthemfall

I'm certain they are printing it. However it is future debt and a devaluation of all our money. It will have to be earned. This is either an as yet undiscovered panacea or a formula for disaster.

Friday, September 19, 2008 06:12PM Report Comment
 

17. Pundit said...

@10. plato

They are trying to save their own skins – with the imminent US election; the last thing the Bush administration can afford is a Democrat victory. If the Democrats win and open the ‘books’ post election, the whole world will know the true level of mismanagement and corruption that has occurred in the past 10 years.

Friday, September 19, 2008 06:34PM Report Comment
 

18. letthemfall said...

plato

There is an article in the FT about this which I read after my last post. Apparently the debt that needs to be covered amounts to about 10% of the Fed's resources; the cost will be met by taxpayers in future years; ie hard times ahead. And what goes for the US will presumable go for us too. One would like to think that the many guilty parties for this state of affairs would be brought to book. Some hope.

Friday, September 19, 2008 08:11PM Report Comment
 

19. plato said...

Thanks everyone. Good to see reasons from knowledgeable bloggers to help the man in the street judge the situation.
Just to add :

This last couple of weeks has resulted in a substantial loss for many pension schemes. Most people don't know how to manage their schemes and rely on fund managers. Simple switching can avoid major losses.
Is anyone keeping an eye on this?
These people are helpless and probably don't have any idea what is happening and they are in Company schemes. Their future wealth is being eroded. There are doubtless Millions in this position.

Friday, September 19, 2008 09:34PM Report Comment
 

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