Friday, Sep 19, 2008
A year ago they couldn’t predict their bankruptcy but were predicting the climate 100 years ahead
Icecap: Lehman Brothers Close Ties to Gore, Hansen and Carbon Trading
Al Gore’s carbon trading business GIM was banked with Lehman Bros. It will be interesting to see how this will play in the future but I suspect that this increases the risk of participating in Carbon trading. Merrill Lynch, was also deeply involved in this business.
Last year Lehman Brothers released a long and highly publicized report about climate change in which they preached about decarbonization, trying to make their investors keep getting high profits from the Kyoto carbon trade scheme and the support of huge public subventions. All that, of course, with the applause of the usual choir of politicians, the entire media and the Greens.
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1. japanese uncle said...
The Weekly Asahi (15/Aug/08) affiliated to the Asahi Shinbun (one of the quality national papers in Japan) revealed that Generation Investment deemed to be Al Gore's investment arm had massive stake in GE, a major nuclear plants manufacturer. The world sees no shortage of professional conmen, particularly among the top political circle, not least our Silky Teflon.
2. planning4acrash said...
Total bull: here is the real situation with climate change:
- Climate scientists at the University of Rochester, the University of Alabama, and the University of Virginia report that temperature fluctuations over the past three decades are not consistent with greenhouse model predictions and more closely correlate with solar activity.
- 100 Scientists sign to say that Climate Change is natural, and should be adapted to, not faught: a href="http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=164002">http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=164002
- The Carbon Credit Scam: Windfall Profits?-
- De-Facto One Child Policy Urged in Australia, Sterilised couples to gain carbon credit! - Eugenics comes into it,.
3. planning4acrash said...
Some of those links didn't work.
Here's the main one, all points with hyperlinks to credible sources: http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/september2008/090408_ice_storms.htm
4. last_days_of_disco said...
The irony here is delicious.
The bad news is that greenies are going to get discredited and lots of them are actually very descent and have good ideas for making industry better for everyone. And its all thanks to the inconvenient truth that Al Gore is a complete shyster, but hey, we all knew that right? Oh, I forgot about the American left...
5. buctootim said...
Oh dear. The serious posters have left and the conspiracists have taken over the asylum.
6. japanese uncle said...
Greeniks are fine, as long as they would not twist the logic into 'more nuclear powers', but wind power, solar power, geothermal power, etc., as it is perfectly true that we must get rid of fossil energy generating a plethora of harzardous substances besides CO2.
7. planning4acrash said...
Global warming is the conspiracy. They will have you believe that the earth and all life on it will be destroyed within 100yrs.
The climate graphs shown in an inconvenient truth ignore the warm spot before the little ice age in the 1700's. We are not as warm as it was at that previous warm patch, and it looks now that the temperatures will go down.
Al Gore fails to correlate sun spot activity with temperature in his film. God forbid, that the sun causes global warming?! The United Nations said that it would install a global carbon tax and blame global warming or cooling on carbon, depending on the current trend. Anybody remember the global cooling and ice age story being played out in the 1970's? This fraud is right out of 1984. Would they sell a lie to tax and control all we do, not for a few bucks, but for hundreds of trillions? Could this be the solution put forward to refund the central banks? Is Carbon tax, payable to a global bank the next ponzi scheme?
8. planning4acrash said...
9. planning4acrash said...
Apologies, sunspot link didn't work first off!
10. Gore's In The Money said...
Gore's managed to make over $100bn from climate change, in particular carbon trading and biofuels, both of which have zero impact on carbon emissions - in fact the latter is the worse than oil. He is an absolute charlatan.
11. planning4acrash said...
This next graph, from
Of course, the doctored temperature graph looks more dramatic when you cut out the little ice age, oh, Al Gore, you smartie pants! There are lies, and then there are statistics. But sure, give all power and all your liberties away without looking at the data, just, you first, I opt out, damn it. Won't be sterilised for a mother earth worshiping, anti human eugenics cult.
12. planning4acrash said...
not doing well with the links! Here's the longer comparison.
, from Global Warming Petition
13. planning4acrash said...
They lied about banking, about the financial situation, about mortgages, what makes you so sure that they are saying the truth about global warming, given that it will involve the most lucrative tax ever!
14. planning4acrash said...
Japanes Uncle, I suspect that big wind farms are more to do with old fashioned land grabbing than anything else.
15. mark wadsworth said...
P4AC, you really should get your own blog on the lines of "They said house prices would go up for ever. They didn't. They said that temperatures would go up for ever. They didn't. Which other subsidy junkies are lying to us to feather their own nests?"
To which I would reply 'the pensions industry' and add you straight to my 'blogroll!
16. Phdinbubbles said...
As an academic, working in he same department as a leading author of the IPCC reports, I'd like to take this opportunity to state what complete and utter sh*t you talk p4ac. Come to think of it, I don't think I really need to state this to the majority of the normal people who use this site, do I?
17. sold 2 rent 1 said...
The sunspot cycle could go into cooling mode as soon as 2010.
Clobal warming could have peaked in 2007 thanks to all the Chem trail planes droping their "substances" and filling the skies with "cloud" particles.
I live in the South of England and these planes have been rampant in the skies this summer.
What am I talking about?
The UK governemnt admitted "Millions were in germ war tests" in the Guardian in 2002
Read: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience
It is happening again and no-one gives a sh*t.
Well they might when oil goes to $400 and temperatures crash in the winter 2010.
The consciousness change of the Galactic Underworld will be complete by November 2010.
Keep joining the dots.
18. handle_it said...
I honestly don't see how it's unreasonable to consider that releasing tons of gas into the atmosphere could be detrimental to the ecosystem.
19. fubar said...
All garbage this is either junk science or someone is being paid a lot to come up with this crap. Real, proper science based climate sciencehere.
20. baroo said...
p4ac, funny how your graph showing the correlation between sunspots and temperature @ 9 finishes at 1980. Do you know what it looks like past 1980?
http://www.goglobalwarmingawareness2007.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/temperature-vs-co2-vs-sunspots.gif
Also bear in mind, that while people and governments will try to make money out of global warming (that's human nature unfortunately), far more people (i.e. quite few large industries) stand to LOOSE vast sums of money if policy is put in place to restrict CO2.
21. fubar said...
And F(_)CK all to do with HPC.
22. sold 2 rent 1 said...
Massive gain in sea ice in the last year.
23. shipbuilder said...
For god's sake, we can all quote a scientist and post graphs with a different message. The reality is that we are running out of resources, polluting the air that we breath and disrupting the systems that give us life. How stupid is that?
24. denzil said...
buctootim said:
"Oh dear. The serious posters have left and the conspiracists have taken over the asylum."
It would be really nice if we could place a little tin-foil hat icon next to tin-foil hat posts.
25. Phdinbubbles said...
Only another 60000 years and there'll be another glacial period anyway. 2km of ice above scotland and a large portion of england and wales isn't going to do much for the price of houses. And if you southern pansies think you're going to be ok - just think about all the melt water coming down your floodplains every summer.
26. planning4acrash said...
Denzil and Buctootim, you cite cliche's that have been used to condition people against using real language, so, everything that criticizes the government story becomes "Conspiracy Theory" or "Tin Foil Hat". Its rather like the animals in Animal Farm by George Orwell, who condensed their belief system into four legs good, two legs bad, or, newspeak in George Orwell's book, 1984, where the Ministry of Truth doctors the dictionary to eliminate words associated with lines of reason that go counter to government propaganda. It may be a good idea to learn to think for yourself. At least go beyond the cliche's and look at the evidence! Note that George Orwell was part of the civil service elite who bailed out when he uncovered that Russia was being propped up because the plan all along was to merge the Soviet and Western Fiat Capitalist systems, which is what we see occurring today, with the Marxist/Capitalist system of globally co-ordinated central banking and an economy, etc. run by unelected quango's and committee's.
27. malct said...
oops, so sorry didn't mean to cause such a fuss.
I simply intended to highlight the range of potential consequences arising from recent events.
For what it's worth I was with Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth and the Ecology Party in the late 70's whilst serving Her Majesty in the Royal Airforce. Both the RAF and the Greens were used and abused then as now. Currently, I don't like the way 'we the people' are being made to feel guilt about climate change and the way our armed forces are once again being abused piling up more debt for our offspring. All things and all people are rarely what they seem and usually more complicated than we want them to be. imho
28. denzil said...
P4AC.
Nice to see you still believe you have the monopoly on truth and that everyone else who doesn't subscribe is a fool.
So, tin-foil hat is part of conditioning and a distraction to stop people using real language! I'll update the wikipedia entry today. Can I quote you, because I think people should understand the deeper meaning behind tin-foil hat.
29. baroo said...
"At least go beyond the cliche's and look at the evidence!"
Classic!
IMHO, the evidence for climate change and it's causes is gathered by monitoring the climate, not watching youtube.
30. handle_it said...
While I agree that a large percentage of what we're told is either completely false or modified for "our own good" I think you're wrong on the climate conspiracy. Aspects of it might well be exaggerated for whatever reason (or even under played) but the planet is, in my opinion, suffering from industry,deforestation and waste management.
31. nooneo said...
At least go beyond the cliche's and look at the evidence!" - The thing about cliches is that, in an enormous amount of cases, they have a basis in truth. Most of what Ron Paul and David Icke insist are truth are just another bunch of cliches.
Climate change is happenning - maybe it's sunspots, maybe it's the nearly 7 billion of us using the place as a dustbin and burning and looting our natural resources as fast as we can.
I suspect that if p4ac, s2r1 and others cases were proved 100% correct, they would instantly find another reason not believe any of the cliches they proposed as truth.
I personally think that everything is a lie....Except the one that says I'm a damn good chap and still have a 30" waist.
32. rotten tomato said...
I would like to stand up for p4c. Quite clearly he's an idealist and feels strognly about the issues he talks about.
As for myself, I don't know where the truth lies, but personally I do feel that the sun and not the CO2 (which is not a poison), is responsible for warming the earth. But I leave it to the scientists to debate the issues here.
One thing that I am absolutely sure about is that adhering to the insane Kyoto protocol, far from improving the climate, will cause massive unemployment in industrialised nations, and most importantly prevent the development of industry in the non industrialised places. Thus ensuring that Africa remains the mess it is with no light at the end of the tunnel.
I believe the sunspot theory, I am quite sure that temperature will decrease and we are heading for recor winters.
I mean the other day here in Italy they showed pictures of polar bears on ice in the North Pole, sayin that they are dying and that the ice is thinning and breaking. But how do I know it's the North Pole for starters? How do I know it's not just footage from some past documentary? And how do I know that I am not being blatantly lied to?
After all it would not be the first time the media manufactures a story - look at the Georgian war on Ossetia and how our msm managed to make Russia look like the aggressor. Goebbels was a novice compared to the media tycoons of today.
33. Rotten Tomato said...
@phdinbubbles
"as an academic working in the same department as a leading author of the IPCC reports..."
Is it those same reports on whose credits are listed the names of scientists who disagreed with the findings and who left the process in disgust?
34. baroo said...
interesting point rotten, but it seems to me that big industry, the power elite, whoever is in charge of things etc., have a greater VI in denying climate change than constructing it as an elaborate scam to get more taxes from us. The man-made-global-warming-is-a-scam-to-control-us theory just does not add up if you think about it.
35. handle_it said...
If you're right and climate change is a scam it has to be the greatest con ever. Getting suits or government employees to lie thru their teeth is one thing but the best part of the global scientific community ? These people have no axe to grind ? They're not motivated by money or for the most part fame,so I don't buy it.
36. planning4acrash said...
Handle It, Re the environment. Yes, we treat the place like a dustbin, well, mainly the corporations and our governments. Many of the other issues are real, but the green movement has been hijacked by the establishment to fear us into giving away yet more liberties and pay yet more cash, whilst they go on their merry way, causing real environmental degradation. Its all over. Like how we are made to feel guilty about using a useful plastic bag, whilst the supermarket decides to triple shrink wrap and add additional layers of cardboard and cellophane with expanded polystyrene just for a piece of fruit. Then we are made to feel guilty by OUR government for having full bins! You first, I say to the corporations, you first.
Rotton Tomato. They don't tell you that Polar Bears can swim up to 250miles. To think that they are killed by ice flows!!! They are adapted to the polar regions, ice flows break off every summer, always have, always will, and Polar Bears will continue to swim to safety, as they always have and always will. Polar bear numbers are booming at present! As S2R said, Arctic ice up a whopping THIRTY PERCENT this year, in response to there being a dearth of sunspots.
37. Emily said...
baroo "it seems to me that big industry, the power elite, whoever is in charge of things etc., have a greater VI in denying climate change than constructing it as an elaborate scam to get more taxes from us."
Well, it is rather suspect that most of the proposed "solutions" do not impact on emissions and are about controlling consumer choice. Gore and Blair's carbon ration scheme would see levels of government control over an individual's freedom of movement and purchasing power that would even have been unimaginable in stalinist russia.
38. Emily said...
Handle it - look up what happened to climate scientists who did not support the alarmist hockey stick reprot. Hint: desk clearing was involved.