Friday, Jun 20, 2008
A story of repossession has sparked talk of a gender divide in the property market, says Hilary Osborne
Guardian online: House price clash
Our piece about a family having their home repossessed has been picked up by bloggers on Housepricecrash - and the conversation has taken a strange turn.
Posted by rental john @ 04:19 PM (2191 views) Add Comment
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1. p. doff said...
Well, I think we ought to comment on their comments on our comments, and see if they comment on them!!!
2. Little Professor said...
Wahey! Famous at last :)
This is very meta. Their original story was reported here on the News Blog, and the comments there were in turn reported on the Guardian site again, and now that report is being linked in the current story. Woosh!
P.S. seems my posting rights have been removed. Boo!
3. yorkshireman said...
No comment
4. yoyo1 said...
That'll be £2K, for the scoop.
5. flintster1994 said...
Off topic, but what happened to s2r1's article about the postponment of the UK's ratification of the Lisbon Treaty? Or am I going mad?
6. str 2007 said...
Hey Hilary
I started that and you didn't even give me a mention - women !
7. Fatjock said...
She gets paid for writing rubbish like that?
Get out of your office and try to be a proper journalist not just make up an article based on the comments from another website.
8. cornishman said...
@ flintster
strings pulled in high places, perhaps? The subject is first item on the 5.00pm news.
9. flintster1994 said...
Strange. It's all over the media. Why pull it from HPC? I presume there must be a simple explanation.
10. cornishman said...
http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/newsblog/2008/06/blog-stuart-wheeler-gets-partial-victory-14460.php
link to the comments - but no article available
see if this gets pulled too
11. Sharpe said...
a mainstream journalist with a brain - that is a first
should be some article written about the responsibility of journalists in all this - what role did they play in boosting house prices up to satisfy their advertisers. And now what price should they pay for effectively lieing about the economic situation in housing for advertising revenue - surely a form of fraud
i think tolstoy asked a similar question once
12. crash bandicoot said...
Sad but true, I only went to look at our first house because the builder's were running a free barbecue. Once there I realised that it would be cheaper to buy than to continue to rent where we were, and the new house was better too. Those days will return soon..........
13. Landedgentry said...
Thank you ladies for getting your blokes to overextend themselves and I hope to rely on your natural tendency for keeping places neat and tidy for when I move in.
14. Somersetinlondon said...
Did anyone notice the comment about HPC bloggers being "troofers and people who believe in water powered cars..."? Seems the damage has been done to the credibility of this site. Shame. I shall still log on to scan for the occasional posting related to house prices.
15. Montesquieu said...
Interesting observations all round on the story's comments, and so true about the financially illiterate accountant for a wife - I had one of those for a while and I'm still mopping up the mess.
Also right about the looney tune off topic stuff too - I've had enough EU superstate nazi plot, federal-reserve-is-corporate conspiracy, Mayan calendar nonsense to do me a lifetime.
16. it_is_going_with_a_bang said...
Very true.
Last year, without going into detail, was rather stressfully spent with a gf putting extreme pressure on to buy a place.
When I made it clear I wasn't going to take risk like that - it marked the end of a relationship - basically because of my decision.
Im sure there's plenty of others out there!
17. techieman said...
Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant, theres even a bloke on there mentioning "I wouldn't worry too much about housepricecrash.co.uk - it seems to be mainly the preserve of troofers and people who believe in water powered cars..."
Actually and seriously it is an interesting topic str 2007 has picked up on. The gender devide - but isnt it really a given?
BTW talking about bragging (see the original post), where are you Tick Tock? I gave some specific levels on the Dax and you said "boll**ks" guess what..........
18. techieman said...
hey its going.... grab yourself a european gal, they LOVE to rent! Its a very emotive topic clearly.
19. nubbers said...
IIGWAB, You made the right decision.
Last time round, in 1989, I caved into the constant flood of tears and I jointly bought a flat with my then GF. Guess what? A year later, we split up. In order for us to be able to split up, I took over the mortgage and then a while later I found out just how bad my situation was. I had negative equity of twice my annual income, no more GF and not much prospect of another one, or holidays, or a life...
20. str 2007 said...
going with a bang
Maybe she'll come back now house prices are crashing with a belated realisation she was onto a man with an inner strength and knowledge.
Just make sure she doesn't bring a repossesion order and a string of CCJ's with her.
Sorry I say she and man assuming gf stood for girlfriend not gayfriend. Unless of course your a girl, sorry.
21. drewster said...
@flintster - I think the admins occasionally withdraw posts that are blatantly unrelated to HPC. It's happened before, there was a little discussion about it. The Lisbon treaty is important stuff but it is completely off-topic. The Guardian's blogs would be a better place to discuss that.
22. it_is_going_with_a_bang said...
Oh i don't think it would work now... she decided not to go through with a pregnancy based on my decision to rent for a year or so.
Apparantly without the 'nest' guarantee ...
It's amazing how much importance has been attached to owning a house "at all costs". But it's there for sure - take my word for it.
23. malct said...
4. flintster1994 said...
Off topic, but what happened to s2r1's article about the postponment of the UK's ratification of the Lisbon Treaty? Or am I going mad?
Friday, June 20, 2008 04:45PM
IT WENTED! - didn't it. Last Time I mentioned the Lisbon Treaty I had my password blocked for two weeks - oops, oh dear here we go again.
oh well - in for a penny - the lisbon treaty will affect UK house prices for the lifetime of my grandchildren - currently four going on five (Q)
24. montesquieu said...
What's a **troofer** btw?
And that comment is bang on about the water-powered cars (and Mayan calendars, EU superstate conspiracies etc etc etc).
We have the zeitgeist now as far as HPC goes (which although it's nice to be right, does bother some of us, I know, who prefer to stand alone in posession of the One Truth ...). The really interesting thing to track now is how it all turns out (economically, socially, politically).
We don't need the loony nonsense to pad out the space between the juicy HPC posts now they are coming thick and fast.
25. techieman said...
actually its going they probably have a point (which is a worry) since shorthold tenancies were introduced you have no security of tenure so you can understand them thinking that if you are only going to rent then they might never get the security they crave. Of course economically this argument has been proven to have been misplaced but, when you see places becoming more and more over-valued you enivitably get the following conversation:
"you said there were going down", they havent and infact they keep going up.
Very difficult and i feel sorry for the men that have been forced into these situations.
26. Rental John said...
Don't usually comment on my own post. But my misses and I decided to sell up two years ago, and take the profit and rent in the meantime....well with two kids at uni what other option did we have? Big downside was my parents thought we were insane....lots of aggresive questioning about when we are going to 'buy' again.....only thing is our parents never helped us get on the property ladder back in 1987, its our hard earned cash....so they can sod off!
27. waitingfor hpc said...
Samw with me. I have been pressured to buy by my last two GF's (Female), and the in laws to be. Like the idea of an european girl - so where do i go to find one??? We should start HPD daters webpage!!!!! As i thought of it I get first dates ... lol
28. waitingfor hpc said...
mmmm ... my bad typing ....
Same with me. I have been pressured to buy by my last two GF's (Female), and the in laws to be. Like the idea of an european girl - so where do i go to find one??? We should start HPC daters webpage!!!!! As i thought of it I get first dates ... lol
.. oh and did not buy the house, split up over it, she wanted the security etc etc.
29. str 2007 said...
going with a bang
I'm sorry that is sad.
I've heard of other people planning families based on the price of houses.
IE putting things off or deciding not to have children at all.
And it's not because they weren't decent people with reasonable jobs.
And yet whenever you speak to a BTLer it wouldn't even cross their mind they're taking a home away from a family.
That's why in my opinion speculation shouldn't be allowed in the artificially restricted housing market - BY LAW.
30. techieman said...
montesquieu - whether its bang on or not - its pretty selective! (Most of the posts on here are not related to conspiracies etc. but i do realise that the ones that are do seem to have the longest number of contributions)
Actually i want these people to carry on with their denial (they can use all the excuses that "we" are a collective bunch of nutcases if they like) we need such people to drive the market lower in the second phase and to give momentum. Markets always have bulls, when the last bull becomes a bear then its about time to buy the market!
31. techieman said...
waiting - try Europe? ;-).
32. Mytimeisnigh said...
Hang on a second..., a lot of females have seen what is coming too and refused to buy! Maybe it's just bad taste on your part that the women you chose have no mind for business.
33. malct said...
re s2r1's disappearing post - it may have been my fault. I've just remembered the early comment I made - expect me to disappear again also :-
if they don't allow free speech somethings wrong.
malct said - approx - "good to see common sense in action rather than common purpose"
I contend that CP is acting against the interests of UK homeowners.
If you see this save it and spread it - looks like trouble - so I have nested it elsewhere just in case.
can't believe this is happening.
34. sold 2 rent 1 said...
Just checking if I still have posting rights
35. malct said...
little prof - sorry to here that - I'm not comortable with supression of free speech
we may have some different views but we also have much we agree on
admin on this site is very arbitary
36. sold 2 rent 1 said...
OK. So the article got pulled but my rights didn't.
Fair enough.
Battle of the Bulge next week. 24-26 June 2008.
Could we see a massive and maybe final surge in oil prices then?
I wonder how Stuart Wheeler will do in this battle.
37. malct said...
OK but what about my ex arch enemy LP? -
38. This comment has been removed as it was found to be in breach of our Blog Policies.
39. flintster1994 said...
I still don't get it. We've been discussing this for a few days now and when it almost comes to a head today and hits all mainstream media, it's not open for discussion anymore. I must be missing something.
40. flintster1994 said...
Why would your posting rights be removed LP?
41. malct said...
38. flintster1994 said...
Why would your posting rights be removed LP?
Friday, June 20, 2008 06:56PM
fin - he can't reply in real time - wait four to twelve hours - if they let it through
oh dear in trouble again - hey but - people are whatching. Think about that admin before you slam the door.
I had a go about LP and peletharty being aggressive and offensive to others but if the pulled my pw we should they respond to my critic?
although s2r1 goes over my head most of the time, I agree we are in an information war. And we posting here have NO CONTROL. oops there I go again. save it spread it. It may be that our hosts mean well but are closely monitored. narh too fantastica. james what's your drift on this?
42. Unshackled! said...
Women are a pain in the backside! Materialistic, social conformists in the extreme. Keeping up with their peers is all that matters.
Stay single, and enjoy saving money!
43. Pacific State said...
Here we go again with pained cries of how the site's "credibility" is ruined by off-topic posts that do not agree with the mainstream media's view.
I don't know about anyone else here, but no-one should be prevented from posting their opinions because some consistently-wrong twathead from the Guardian might be reading.
When will these HPC moaners finally realise that we will never have any credibility anyway, even if the crash is now well underway.
44. quiet guy said...
@malct
"And we posting here have NO CONTROL."
So why haven't you set up your own website if you want control? Try to remember that HPC owes you nothing. If you don't like it, have you considered asking for a refund?
45. malct said...
QG - ouch - love the question marks - great to see some cultrure around here..
punctuation is evereething - after spellin - ? -
seriously - look beyond control
qg you're looking for answers to your questions, I don't have them.
46. doom&gloom said...
quiet_guy - in total serene agreement.
47. doom&gloom said...
malct. seriously - why don't you set up your own website with a disucssion board? As a project it would only take you a week or two I'm sure. I've not done it, but I know there is free software out there that will run a bulletin board like this one. You could decide who/whether to censor and no one else could intervene.
If your hosting ISP decided to block access to your site then things could get interesting ;-)
48. malct said...
quiet_guy - in total serene agreement.
serene? when lp can't post real time? or pelthar!
give us an effin break sunshine
you just don't get it do you?
49. doom&gloom said...
malct. read my post. read QGs post. The internet is the ultimate democracy. Set up a website. I promise to visit and post (and not being sarcastic!) If other people are interested they will visit and post too.
50. doom&gloom said...
'facetious', I guess I meant.
51. malct said...
doom&gloom
why don't you post something interesting and on topic? - yourself! - on your own - just you.
try the EU treaty! perhaps not. How about rice cripies? ah that's better.
sorry but your isolationist stuff gives me the creeps.
If you're a .org then shove of - iff you're a real person then do your home work/
52. malct said...
well done rental john
53. Lasertrip said...
"Oh, btw, HousePriceCrash is a mixture of genuinely informed content, and right wing nutcases."
54. doom&gloom said...
malct. you're fighting an imaginary enemy so you will never win.
what do you mean by 'isolationist stuff' BTW? And don't understand your '.org' reference either. As for my views on the EU treaty, I haven't made up my mind personally. Used to be pro-EU in general, but am much more sceptical now since reviewing some of the views on this site. Ditto Terrorism Act, et al.
Don't intend to do any 'homework' on your account, unless you have a specific viewpoint which causes me re-evaluate one/some of my current beliefs (several posters have caused me to do this).
I believe that you overlook many basic truths in your personal quest. One of which is that www.housepricecrash.co.uk is owned by Fubra Ltd, and that Fubra Ltd's advertising revenue is earned through the number of visitors to this site. If a minority of contributors are putting off a majority of visitors then this will be addressed if the owners want to maximise their revenue. It is not a democracy.
If you set up your own site then not only would you control the content, but if you got visitors you would make advertising revenue too. But you seem to have an issue which is preventing you from addressing this idea. Maybe you just don't have the capability to consider it.
55. doom&gloom said...
and also, Mr Malct, how would my views on the EU treaty be relevant to a topic on "HPC featuring in The Guardian"? I think it would be wholly irrelevant. If you review my posts, they are mostly relevant to the title of this site - HPC. I don't think you'd know 'relevance' if it slapped you on the @rse ;-)
56. mark wadsworth said...
I've got a good conspiracy theory - the Internet was set up by e.g. the NWO or whomever in order to distract people from getting out and doing something and ensuring that they are safely locked in their own homes having silly arguments about whether the NWO is controlling us all. Perhaps the NWO are so clever they have got automatic software that generates comments that gently steer any topic from the quirky to the ridiculous. And I am sure that the NWO read all these comments and stick it on a file to be used against us at the inevitable show trials. Continued page 94.
57. sold out said...
my missus tried to persuade me to buy again after we sold in Dec 06.After i put my foot down and explained that HPC was just round the corner,she backed down and we went into rented.Now she loves renting and thinks i am some kind of economic fortune teller.I think there is a gender issue here with females tending to want security(nest building) and males tendancy for risk taking.So anyway everything turned out great,feel sorry for the guys who got pressurised into buying into property in the last 3 or 4 years.
European woman? I know nothing about,I married an Asian. She's cool. Dont no what she will think when i explain about the water powered car i am building in the garage. ;-)
58. Davip said...
"...I wouldn't worry too much about housepricecrash.co.uk - it seems to be mainly the preserve of troofers and people who believe in water powered cars..."
See what dickheads chuntering on about NWO and conspiracies on this site has done? This site so needs to have some mediation on its commentary...
59. Just Interested said...
30. techieman said...
" Markets always have bulls, when the last bull becomes a bear then its about time to buy the market!"
Very true, that's what I'm waiting for. Probably 2012-3 @ -50 - 60% in real terms from the top of the market..
60. Stevie Dee said...
@#16... great decision.. killing 2 birds with one stone... a lot of woman like bricks & mortar... and you paying the mortgage & child support.. luckily i have no kids..
61. European Bear said...
I'm female with kids, but we rent a house. There is NO WAY I'd want to buy given the recent bubble and the inevitable misery for mortgaged up homeowners. I can't understand the logic of 'renting from the bank' via an interest only mortgage and getting the fabulous opportunity to shell out for repairs and decorating!! The notion that people who have opted to borrow 10x salary on a 100% mortgage etc somehow own a house in my view defies all reason, but yet it is widely accepted by men and women. I would say there is a lot of social pressure from both women and men to buy a house. I've spent 4 years ignoring this and I know it's the right decision. There are by the way LOADS of financially illiterate men who think that houseprices always go up. I've definitely been lectured and patronised by a good of few of those morons. I am certainly not the only woman who does not want to buy a house at a stupidly high price, but I would admit that we are in a minority.
62. doom&gloom said...
@sold out. lol :-)
I s2r in 2002. My missus and i fell in love with a place in the countryside last summer. my missus wasn't 'pressuring' me, but was selling me the dream. i bought it, despite being hard-nosed enough to have s2r in 2002. Between exchange and completion i realised the dream was not worth a lifetime of graft just to cover the interest on a massive mortgage, and I managed to find new buyers before i completed. completed in sept, sold in dec. A few stressful months, but now they're happy, i'm happy, and everyone's a winner.
however, the only way i managed to persuade the missues to sell up so soon was by pointing out the lack of garage space for the water powered car.
63. doom&gloom said...
@malct
apologies if my post @46 wasn't clear. For clarity, my post @45 should have read "I promise to visit and post (and not being 'facetious')", and not "I promise to visit and post (and not being sarcastic)."
64. doom&gloom said...
@MW. I managed to escape the NWO "conspiracy-debate" conspiracy for long enough to get out for some beers and a curry, but was inevitably drawn back home to my computer before I was able to shout "Blame the Illuminati!" at any passers by.