Friday, May 30, 2008
Orchistrated boom. Orchistrated bust
The Telegraph: Oil prices to be probed by US regulator CFTC
America's leading commodities regulator has launched an unprecedented investigation into possible market manipulation in the US crude oil market amid record prices which continue to cripple various parts of the global economy.
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1. sold 2 rent 1 said...
Gold is hanging on by a thread at $872
Oil is down to $125
The gold/oil ratio is still 7
An oil correction to around $100 is now likely
Will this be the turning point for gold?
Will it finally decouple from oil and stand up by itself?
2. sold 2 rent 1 said...
As Sir Alex would say, "It's squeaky bum time"
3. the haunted said...
Secure the hatches: DIVE DIVE DIVE!
4. sold 2 rent 1 said...
It will be the pension funds that get wacked with this correction.
Joe Public loses again.
Goldman's $200 prediction. Load of c*ap.
Will Goldman now predict $650 for gold?
There would be the buy signal of the century.
Anyone for CHANGE?
NO.
Anyone for tennis?
5. growler said...
I think you will see that the graph moves up again very steeply. Look at the trend up to the end 70's and then from the mid 1980s onwards. In times of inflation you buy gold. Oil is just a bubble that is bursting as a high price will make previously uneconomic sources economic and speculators see better margins in other areas and lock in gains. Therefore expect the ratio to increase with gold many more times the value of oil. Mean value is about 14.... watch this space.
6. malct said...
joining the dots with a post yesterday,
22. p. doff said...
Too much cr@p on this thread!!
Look, Burma and China were just severe weather and seismic events - some major event happens all too frequently in some part of the planet - from hurricanes in UK to tsunami in Asia. There is no magic correlation with anything (except perhaps your imagination). Mayan calendar - pah!
Thursday, May 29, 2008 06:30PM
can we be so sure peedorf ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VX0JvpW5q0
HAARP simply does exist - "if we had the technology we'd use it right?"
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/index.asp
7. sold 2 rent 1 said...
growler,
I agree.
If oil corrects to $100 and gold goes to $1500 then the ratio is 15.
As you said the long term mean is 14.
We have been under the mean now for 8 years.
It is about time the pendulum swung.
8. growler said...
I think futures are on the move as speculation moves into this area. Interesting times we are in. What's even more apparent is that Brown and Darling have absolutely no clue as the market is moving so quick around them. They are standing in a room full of mosquitos with a childs shoe to swat them with - but an open window with the lights on. With investors seeing cash as uninteresting (as rates are low), they will speculate on every single item: Like crops/farming as we move into harvest time. We need to make cash deposits interesting to work to some sort of stability - and that means the painful decision to raise rates. Increasing deposits will help move cash that is now fleeing from accounts into commodities back into paper. This will help mauled balance sheets and also the value of Sterling to help reduce importing inflation. It's not rocket science, is it?
9. hpwatcher said...
''...Mayan calendar - pah!...''
I've seen it all in my tea leaves and crystal balls.
10. sold 2 rent 1 said...
malct,
That video was truly amazing stuff.
FULFORD VS. HAARP hi-rez
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VX0JvpW5q0
For those who cannot watch videos at work, this compelling video is saying the US has the ability to create earthquakes and intensify hurricanes/cyclones.
This makes sense. I have always said that Elliott waves in gold hold true even when the gold market is being rigged. In fact the rigging of the gold price is actually a necessary part of the Elliott wave corrections.
What we are saying here is the mathematics underying the universe cannot be altered even if man tries to intervene. In fact man's intervention is just playing out the mathematics with him completely unaware.
Maybe we should replace the question, "What do we really know?" with the question, "What do we really have control over?"
The answer to both may be nothing.
11. sold 2 rent 1 said...
Need to get the stepladder out of the shed.
The evidence stacking up for a change of consciousness in early July is as high as the roof
12. a saver said...
growler @8 re increasing cash deposit IRs, if only! People have been taking risks with their money because of low IRs/badly performing pensions and it's distorted a whole lot of other things eg houses/oil etc, with catastrophic consequences. The government surely cannot have been unaware of what was happening, can they?
13. malct said...
sold 2 rent 1 said yesterday re left right brain function
"The shift in world power is from West to East.
The shift in consciousness is from LEFT to RIGHT brain functions
I am living proof. I am an IT techie, a real Mr logic "black and white" character.
Now I am displaying much more RIGHT brain functions."
and went on to list the functions - a very positive and very brave move given the stage your on s2r1.
One speaker at the conference http://www.thealternativeview.co.uk/speakers.php - was also living proof, his talk being 2/3rds heavy scientific left brain and then switching dramatically to right brain spiritual stuff.
In 1984 Peter Taylor worked as an internationally respected biologist specialising in marine radioactive pollution. As an independent scientist he was appointed to the British government's Holliday Commision, acted as research advisor to the Department of the Environment's radioactive waste programme and represented Greenpeace at International Conventions for the protection of the oceans.
In Peter Taylor's Words "It is a story that weaves the scientific, the political, the personal, and spiritual...
I believe that science is seldom separate from politics, and politics never separate from the personal.
Spiritual realities are always present in all three realms, but seldom acknowledged and often deliberately secret. And whatever dark forces may be at work in the Universe, I am convinced they start and end within the personal mind"
http://people.tribe.net/knowledgeispower23/blog/67ba23ce-c5ca-4124-8633-e5a6f0a6f171
a dvd is available here - http://www.ianrcrane.co.uk/index.php?act=viewCat&catId=13
14. cornishman said...
@S2R1
- you do say some funny things sometimes [and expose a certain lack of scientific knowledge]. Just what is the link between these statements?
"the US has the ability to create earthquakes and intensify hurricanes/cyclones.
This makes sense. I have always said that Elliott waves in gold hold true"
15. mken said...
so much concern about the oil price,
where was the UK / US regulator investigation into house prices as they exploded?
16. planning4acrash said...
They were turning a blind eye, because the financial elite decided that they needed to inject liquidity into commodities to replenish their balance sheets after sub-prime losses. Do you honestly think that the regulators are here for the benefit of the public? If that was the case, we would never have seen the hous =e price boom and sub-prime in the first place!
17. sold 2 rent 1 said...
corno,
I was trying to explain that things happen in the world are because of the underying mathematics. It doesn't matter if the events were man-made or not, the rules still apply.
My forecast of 12-20 May destruction period (mapped Battle of Stalingrad) was always going to happen somewhere. The fact that is was a man-made earthquake made no difference.
Similary when trying to match Elliott waves to the gold price, there are massive corrections that involve market supression. Market rigging and man-made earthquakes should not be seen as man's power over ther environment but as the opposite, the envionment controlling man, but in such a way he doesn't even realise.
These deep level issues really apply to the 2011 fifth night. For the moment it would be best to concentrate on NWO v joe public.
18. James said...
s2r1 - No. You said that 16th May would be the change of consciousness, a shift from POWER to ETHICS (your capitals) not a 'destructive event', as you're now claiming. You absolutely did not predict an earthquake. You lack even a basic knowledge of what an earthquake is if you think it could be manmade.
You've shifted the goalposts retrospectively to make your 'model' (which isn't really a model) 'work' on a post hoc ergo propter hoc basis. At the time, the best you could come up with was Dwain Chambers' drugs confession.
You were obviously wrong, why can't you admit it? It'll be even more difficult to wriggle out of your end-June $1,500 gold prediction when you're wrong about that, too.
19. icarus said...
s2r1 @10 and in other blogs - what is the role of political and economic power in your scheme of things? Why concern ourselves with Bush and his mafia, Broon, Greenspan, the Fed, JP Morgan, the IMF etc. if they're all part of a greater scheme they can do nothing about? Is it all just sound and fury, signifying nothing?
20. handle_it said...
Has anyone seen The Signal ? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0780607/ (The guy with the tinfoil on his head made me think of here)
21. crash n burn said...
@S2R1 – I’m becoming less sure about this bullish gold story. I agree with the fundamentals, but the chart is not looking good – seems we are forming a descending triangle. A break to the downside could easily see gold drop to $700… I am very tempted to take out some put options because I just do not know what to do anymore… I was always in for the long play, but as my deposit rests on much of this I should probably scale back on the risk. I absolutely hate it when FA and TA appear at logger heads.
22. sold 2 rent 1 said...
crash,
Didn't techieman say $870 was a real support test. Full marks there.
Kitco website down at the moment but it was saying $881 a minute ago after going to $871 this morning.
Lots of worried investors hitting the website perhaps
I am taking this as a "flush out the weak hands" correction.
Gold has retested the low on May 2 of 850 several times now.
I am hoping that these retests will now give a major boost to blast through 950, a major resistence.
If so then we are in Elliott wave 5 (from August 2007) and Elliott wave 3 (from May 2)
I am buying July puts - could be a once in a lifetime crash - don't want to miss out
23. sold 2 rent 1 said...
icarus,
"Why concern ourselves with Bush and his mafia, Broon, Greenspan, the Fed, JP Morgan, the IMF etc. if they're all part of a greater scheme they can do nothing about?"
Good question. It all depends on what role you want to play in the future of the Earth.
Doing nothing is an option but not very fulfilling.
24. icarus said...
s2r1 - if everything is already mathematically determined why do anything?
25. sold 2 rent 1 said...
icarus,
Good question. It all depends on what role you want to play in the future of the Earth.
Doing nothing is an option but not very fulfilling.
26. sold out said...
s2r1@17
I am not sure i understand all of your beliefs and predictions and to be honest have never really read up on them too any great depth.I do have a question,when you say " My forecast of 12-20 May destruction period (mapped Battle of Stalingrad)" I presume that you are predicting that certain events occurr now in 2008 that match up to dates of events in the past,and that it would in this case be the events in China and Burma.If that is the case,then is it possible that other recent major events like 911 or the asian tsunami could also be connected to events in the past? if so what where they?
27. Joller said...
s2r1 - what strike price are you going for on the July puts?
I am also thinking puts may be in order - one can consider it either a hedge on a current long position or speculation.
28. malct said...
19. handle_it said...
Has anyone seen The Signal ? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0780607/ (The guy with the tinfoil on his head made me think of here)
handle_it - I did take a look at the trailer - it looks like an almost palettable way of introducing people to the concept of mind control via electromagnetic fields including power frequency (houses and workplaces) and radio frequency (mobile phones). This technology is well advanced and in use. I have had reason to study the domestic implications in recent years and in doing so it is impossible to avoid the military and mind control potential. Regardless of any specific threat, it is likely that we suffer to a varying degree from 'electrosmog' in a similar way to the dumming down we are experiencing from denatured food. ie good stuff taken out and cr@p put in.
eg :- 1980
From Military Review (official publication of the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College) article on "The New Mental Battlefield" Lt. Col. John B. Alexander, U.S. Army, Ph.D.. "(Soviet) mind-altering techniques, designed to impact on an opponent are well-advanced. The procedures employed include manipulation of human behavior through the use of psychological weapons effecting sight, sound, smell, temperature, electromagnetic energy, or sensory deprivation."
Also, "Researchers suggest that certain low-frequency (ELF) emissions possess psychoactive characteristics. These transmissions can be used to induce depression or irritability in a target population. The application of large-scale ELF behavior modification could have horrendous impact."
http://www.mindjustice.org/timeline.htm
This may seem to be a long way from 'buy a house because debt is cheap and prices always go up' on the other hand it may go some way to explain why some people don't seem able to think things through for themselves. I don't completely agree with that viewpoint. But it may be aiding the social engineering applied psychology (increasingly more powerfully applied since the second world war especially via television) in a subtle pragmatic way. If that seems as though I'm clouding the issue, that's the point I'm making.
29. sold 2 rent 1 said...
sold out,
I have mapped the WW2 battles from the previous “fifth night” onto the current “fifth night”
19 March – start of information war
Maps to the start of WW2
The information war is essentially the internet versus the traditional mass media over the truth.
12-20 May - Battle of Stalingrad
This corresponds with the destruction in Burma and China. 16 May is the mid-point
14 June – D-Day landings
Irish vote on EU Treaty of Lisbon on 12 June.
Expect economic/political turmoil in Europe
6 July – Two Atomic bombs in Japan
This is where the mainstream public had their consciousness change in the last “fifth night”
Expect truths about 9/11 and the AIDS virus to come out.
Expect more economic turmoil too.
30. sold 2 rent 1 said...
Gold at 887.
We have passed the 870 support test
31. theboltonfury said...
i tell you what s2r1, ever thought of a career in espionage?
32. growler said...
a saver @ 12
I don't mean 25 points or even 100 points. It needs to be a lot higher by year end. That's true for both Sterling and the Euro. Then the savings rates will be attracting deposits - and the citizens in UK and Eu will have some purchasing power outside of Eurozone to help get them out of the stagnation.
33. shipbuilder said...
S2R1 - What is your rationale for the 'truth' about AIDS and 9/11 appearing on (or around) 6th July? Surely only you have decided this? Or will some other event around that time be slotted in if they don't happen? From what I can see you are predicting the bust after the boom - as we all have done here for the last number of years. Natural disasters happen every year, significant world events happen monthly. Are the significant ones that fit just the ones that you decide?
How do the following fit into the calendar? - 9/11,7/7, fall of the Berlin Wall, peace in Northern Ireland, floods in the UK, New Orleans, natural distasters in Bangladesh etc., fall of communism, Vietnam War, Korean War, China opening up for trade and business, birth of the Euro. Given a decent history book, I could go on and on and on.
When you discover something on the internet, is it automatically included, or is it rejected if it does not fit?
Why have you never, ever, once produced something as evidence that did not originate on Truthseeker or somewhere else? What about numbers stations, Waco, the Philidelphia experiment, the 'fake' moon landings, remote viewing and so on?
My point is, I wonder how you can be convinced by so little evidence or research. What about 'open mindedness'?
34. handle_it said...
Re 26. malct . The film is good. Done in 3 parts with I believe 3 different directors. The 2nd part is very black humour and extremely entertaining. As for its basis in reality I have no idea but the paranoia it portrays is clearly alive and well here ! I'm certain any particular event can be attributed to whatever the believer desires. This world isn't clockwork in my opinion and the future isn't made..
35. theboltonfury said...
ship - what is the Philadelphia Experiment, sounds interesting?
36. shipbuilder said...
The US Navy were alleged to have made an entire ship invisible using electromagnets or some such. Crew were said to have suffered severe physical effects - I remember reading about it as a kid. It has as much evidence and credibility as many conspiracy theories about now.
37. Unplugged said...
Anyone interested in the underlying maths of the universe may be interested in Phi. I beleive it plays a part in elloit wave theory. Take a look - http://goldennumber.net/
38. malct said...
shipbuilder at 31 - are you a paid left wing gatekeeper? sorry but your stance seems to move and be illogical as well as closed - what is it you want?
quote "My point is, I wonder how you can be convinced by so little evidence or research. What about 'open mindedness'?"
Well here's some evidence with a whole host of links, try applying some 'open mindedness' to it
The collapse of New York's World Trade Centre on September 11, 2001 is arguably one of the most well documented events in human history. Less well documented is the controversy over why the buildings fell as they did.
At the time of writing, 357 architectural and engineering professionals have signed a petition which directly challenges the National Institute of Standards & Training's official finding that the destruction of these massive buildings was caused solely by structural damage from the impact of jet airliners and the resulting fires.
The petition, demanding of Congress a truly independent investigation, states, in part:
"...the 9/11 investigation must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7."
This alarming statement is based on evidence from many sources, including observations of the structural behaviour of the towers as they collapsed, the known characteristics of steel framed buildings, eyewitness testimony of explosions, and research into the chemical composition of dust recovered from the collapse zone.
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2240510.htm
btw way this is not a one way Auusy site, this is but one of many views expressed.
see also BBC Porter WTC7 and try applying some 'open mindedness' to it
boltonfury re philadephia exp see my posting 26 above but also keep an open mind on anything to do with mind/behaviour control and EMFs there's plenty of evidence.
39. icarus said...
malct - not sure that shipbuilder said anything against the idea that the Towers fell because of explosives. Also, much of what the US military does on mind experiments is laughable - see 'The Men Who Stare at Goats'..
40. sold 2 rent 1 said...
shipbuilder,
We could argue all day over the facts.
You will never see the TRUTH from your old level of consciousness.
Keep trying mate, you seem like a decent bloke.
What you pay attention to, you become conscious of.
After that, intuition takes over.
The REVOLUTION is close.
Ron Paul.This Is The Most Important Video On Youtube!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37Er21tDvkQ&feature=related
Great music too. Now where were those marching boots?
Just bought a barrel load of July PUT options
I feel so alive today.
41. shipbuilder said...
Malct - my stance has never changed. I form my opinions on facts and balancing of the evidence. Just because I do not agree with the way the world works does not give me license to trot out anything that fits my worldview and call it the truth. I've been there and done that with the 9/11 'evidence' and my stance hasn't changed - in my opinion the US government and intelligence was, at best, incompetent, and at worst, willing to be ignorant of an attack. Yes, have a open public inquiry. But there are inconsistencies in every version of events and they do not prove anything. Who knows, I may be wrong, it's just that the evidence and logic points me in a particular way.
Being open minded does not mean accepting everything unquestioningly.
I do not make multiple posts each day claiming to have the truth. However, when others do, I will challenge it if I do not agree - you think that is unreasonable?
I have said each time that I post that I agree with the sentiment of S2R1, yourself and P4AC - I agree that we live in virtual slavery to debt, that governments and media are heavily influenced by corporate media, that fiat money and the fed is wrong.
It is precisely because I believe these things that I challenge unfounded nonsense that corrupts the message.
An example - I was telling a friend about fiat money and the Federal Reserve and how it works - we both agreed that it was wrong and unfair - the friend was interested enough to tell a few others. The message spread.
However had I added on to the end - 'and you know it's all part of a global Zionist conspiracy to enslave the masses under one world government' then, rightly, she would have laughed and lost interest completely, presuming it all to be b*llocks.
Fiction taints the truth that it is associated with.
42. Rentinginthesouth said...
>An example - I was telling a friend about fiat money and the Federal Reserve and how it works - we both agreed that it was wrong and unfair - the friend was interested enough to tell a few others. The message spread.
>However had I added on to the end - 'and you know it's all part of a global Zionist conspiracy to enslave the masses under one world government' then, rightly, she would have laughed and lost interest completely, presuming it all to be b*llocks.
You had me right up until 'and you know it's all part of a global Zionist conspiracy to enslave the masses under one world government' ;)
To be fair - I do relate to fair amount of s2r1's content... but no poster is an island - including me!
43. sold 2 rent 1 said...
ship,
When I tell stangers about this stuff.
I usually say "What is money, how is it created?".... and then move on to money as debt......this creates a longwave debt cycle (k-wave)......but why were we never taught this in A-level economics.....the Fed Reserve is a Private Bank....1913....blah blah
Then I say "How many sky scrapers fell on 9/11?"
They say 2.
I say 3 - ever heard of building 7?
No
Your objective is to make people realise what they don't know, ask why they don't it, and do their own investigation.
You can't tell people to change their consciousness, only they can change their own consciousness by their own research.
Watch the Loose Change Final Cut again.
Maybe you will see something different.
44. shipbuilder said...
S2R1 - you're right, I could repeat ad nauseam that i've looked at and rejected your evidence, that I had my 'change of consiousness' years ago when I read 'New Rulers of the World' by John Pilger (I suggest that you read it - it confirms a lot of what you think, but from a real journalist, with research). However I fear that you just aren't listening.
45. sold 2 rent 1 said...
shipbuilder,
We are operating on different levels of consciousness - it is like 2 different languages.
One day you will look back and all will be clear.
Or maybe you will just fail this evolutionary test - just like the neanderthals
I guess not everyone passes it. Never thought of that option before. Scary.
46. malct said...
36. icarus said...
malct - not sure that shipbuilder said anything against the idea that the Towers fell because of explosives. Also, much of what the US military does on mind experiments is laughable - see 'The Men Who Stare at Goats'..
icarus - I don't want to get into a pointless conflict with you especially or anyone else. - but -
I reject any article / book / film etc which is obviously intended to earn money for the originator, entertain rather than inform and also discredit genuine research. The very title says it all, cheap propaganda.
http://www.ae911truth.org/
Did WTC 7 collapse as a result of office fires, or was it demolished with explosives? The answer can be sought by examining the way in which the building collapsed.
Collapse Speed
As one can observe from the videos of WTC 7's collapse, shortly following the destruction of its penthouse structures, the building fell to the ground in 6.5 seconds. This is a phenomenally short time: a stone dropped from the top of the building would have reached the ground (covering a distance of 174 meters) in 5.95 seconds – if there were no air resistance! However, in principle the distance analyzed should be that from the top of the building to the top of the debris pile, not to the ground. As the exact height of the debris pile is not documented, it is more useful to examine the early stages of the collapse, during which the debris pile does not need to be taken into account.
According to the video analysis presented in the 9-11 Eyewitness documentary, starting from the state of rest, WTC 7 fell 100 meters in 4.5 seconds. This results in an acceleration of 9.8 m/s2, corresponding to a free fall.
see also BBC WTC7
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKULTRA
Project MK-ULTRA, or MKULTRA, was the code name for a covert CIA mind-control and chemical interrogation research program, run by the Office of Scientific Intelligence, that began in the early 1950s and continued at least through the late 1960s.[1][2][3] There is much published evidence that the project involved the surreptitious use of many types of drugs, as well as other methodology, to manipulate individual mental states and to alter brain function.[4]
Mind Control
The Ultimate Terror
The plans to create a mind controlled workers society have been in place for a long time. The current technology grew out of experiments that the Nazis started before World War II and intensified during the time of the Nazi concentration camps when an unlimited supply of children and adults were available for experimentation. We've heard about the inhumane medical experiments performed on concentration camp prisoners, but no word was ever mentioned by the media and the TV documentaries of the mind control experiments. That was not to be divulged to the American public. Mind control technologies can be broadly divided into two subsets: trauma-based or electronic-based.
uh oh - goats ay!
47. malct said...
shipbuilder re - An example - I was telling a friend about fiat money and the Federal Reserve and how it works
stop right there!
follow this with the truth about the bank of england and you might just get somewhere - personally, and with the people you were talking to.
If you really want to know about the boe, I'm your man. boe financed hitler, it's in parliamentary records. also boe gave hitler Czech gold which came back to london as bombs - wake up mate we haven't much time. Don't mean to - labour - on about it but I will if you want me to. New Labour?
48. malct said...
sorry forgot the dressing
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/
The first phase of government mind control development grew out of the old occult techniques which required the victim to be exposed to massive psychological and physical trauma, usually beginning in infancy, in order to cause the psyche to shatter into a thousand alter personalities which can then be separately programmed to perform any function (or job) that the programmer wishes to"install"
49. shipbuilder said...
Malct - OK, so if what you say is true, where is the evidence that connects this to a global conspiracy, your central argument? If you rely on real evidence for your connections between Hitler and the BofE, surely you must apply the same rules to it?
To me, THAT is the bit you are missing, THAT is the conspiracy theory and THAT is the bit that people are cynical about - you will defeat the entire purpose of what you are trying to achieve if you keep with it.
50. malct said...
what does it take to wake people up?
Wackenhut Corrections' UK company opens new prison for HM Prison Service at Marchington, England
25-year contract -- in excess of $900 million in revenues
Opened on schedule & on budget
First UK private therapeutic prison
http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=70406
We are delighted to have opened another correctional facility, on time and within budget, with the Prison Services Office of the United Kingdom, indicating the long-term commitment to privatisation corrections in the UK
what does it take to wake people up?
51. shipbuilder said...
41. sold 2 rent 1 said...
"shipbuilder,
We are operating on different levels of consciousness - it is like 2 different languages.
One day you will look back and all will be clear.
Or maybe you will just fail this evolutionary test - just like the neanderthals
I guess not everyone passes it. Never thought of that option before. Scary."
I started my change years ago, with regard to growing food, recycling, and so on. Small changes, but getting there. It may sound pompous, but I have no need for most of the rubbish we are told that we want anymore - I have my friends, family, a direction beyond money, a beautiful world to enjoy, a wish for others to have it. Not because I see armageddon coming, but because I feel it is right, and I am happier as a result. I deal in credible information and act on it, so don't worry about me.
Perhaps the 'truth' will be revealed as you say - if there is evidence, I will accept it.
Of course if you say the 'truth' will not be revealed until July, then you can't claim to have the 'truth' in May. I will wait.
Evidently you haven't read John Pilger, or you would be referring others to him and not tiresome self-promoter Alex Jones. If you are as open minded as you say, at least google the book - I am interested in your opinion.
52. malct said...
shipbuilder - I'm mact but I feel like confused 76 - why are you so frightened of a global conspiracy?
I can't even remeber referring to a global conspiracy!
Also I don't understand 'that' let alone why it needs to be in caps CAPS ''THAT' and so many times.
I'm reluctantly beginning to agree with s2r1 that there is some step forward you are just not ready to make, sorry.
I don't think this can come from anyone else but yourself. Best wishes. btw, if you do make it over, it's no fun here either.
53. malct said...
45. shipbuilder said...
Malct - OK, so if what you say is true, where is the evidence that connects this to a global conspiracy, your central argument? If you rely on real evidence for your connections between Hitler and the BofE, surely you must apply the same rules to it?
caps surely you must apply the same rules to it? - I DO JUST THAT AND HAVE DONE SINCE 2002
REAL EVIDENCE, WHAT CAN WE KNOW? - shipbuilder, unlike the people somewhere else you are concerned about, YOU ARE TOO COMFORTABLE - otherwise you wouldn't be such a pain.
54. shipbuilder said...
8. malct said...
"shipbuilder - I'm mact but I feel like confused 76 - why are you so frightened of a global conspiracy?
I can't even remeber referring to a global conspiracy!"
Then perhaps I can refresh your memory with this article you posted -
A massive debt pyramid that is teetering on collapse
signs of the times Global Research: Is an International Financial Conspiracy Driving World Events?
The housing bubble has led to a huge inflation of real estate prices in the U.S. Millions of homes are falling into the hands of the bankers through foreclosure. The cost of land and rentals has further decimated family agriculture as well as small business. Rising property taxes based on inflated land assessments have forced millions of lower-and middle-income people and elderly out of their homes.
The fact that bankers now control national monetary systems in their entirety, under laws where money is introduced only through lending at interest, has resulted in a massive debt pyramid that is teetering on collapse. Was Alan Greenspan really as dumb as he looks in creating the late housing bubble that threatens to bring the entire Western debt-based economy crashing down?
Posted by malct @ 03:54 PM (986 views) Add Comment
So what is the step forward you feel I need to make?
You state the connection between Hitler and the BofE and cite evidence to back it up, so I simply asked - you have evidence for this connection, where is the evidence to connect it to a elite global conspiracy? You then told me you have done, since 2002. So where is it then? Then you say - 'what can we know'?
Well, you are the one keen to point out the parliamentary records as evidence, so presumably you see the importance of fact behind the story.
So again I ask - where is the evidence for the global conspiracy?
If you don't believe there is one, then you are on the same level as me - so why do you think I need to take an 'extra step'?
55. little professor said...
Hey, S2R
56. malct said...
50. shipbuilder said...
8. malct said...
"shipbuilder - I'm mact but I feel like confused 76 - why are you so frightened of a global conspiracy?
I can't even remeber referring to a global conspiracy!"
HERE IT IS MUSH your words from up the page
45. shipbuilder said...
Malct - OK, so if what you say is true, where is the evidence that connects this to a global conspiracy,
come on shippy you can do better than that - even if you are a paid shill
oh but now that other crack pot lunatic has joined in taking the debate to even lower levels
what a sad sad sad pathetic git, what a complete pratt, people resort to such cr@p when they have no true worth
posting this on elsewhere, where it needs to be seen
what a breakthrough - thanks you two.
LP you really messed up big time with this one. Typical of your breed.
57. shipbuilder said...
Malct - Please also have a look at the John Pilger book i've referred to - there is also a film - it will explain my point of view. Compare it to Loose Change, Zeitgeist and the like. Plenty of research, no sign of conspiracy.
58. handle_it said...
I recently endured at least some of Terror Storm and found it very annoying. One silly statement suggested Charles de Menezes was taken out because he knew too much. Hardly a convert hit ? I'm sure powers are at work that consider most of us to be less human that they are but some of these documentaries just come across as 6th form rubbish (i left skool at 16,hence me paw gramer). Zeitgeist I did enjoy but again it did go a little too far. As for Consciousness I found The Celestine Prophecy enlightening but the movie was very hammy. If anyone here has found the secret to time and space please let me know. I'm sure consciousness at this level of evolution would be mighty glad of the deserved rest of wondering. I'm not sure why anyone would feel the need to get all evangelistic about a state of mind. Such showing off is not all good for the karma or general well being in my humble opinion. If you feel you are at a different level of being to me or others here then I will respect your views but being rude about it doesn't do your cause (whatever it may be?) any good at all. As stated before I really don't think the future is mapped out. The concept of us purely playing out some preset version of reality is unhelpful to the worlds problems. I also notice that this crossover to your enlightenment some how gives you an elevated status from something that I can only assume is god ? I'm not sure but it all sounds a bit holier than thou to me.
59. Unplugged said...
The impression I get the of sources of the ideas that the future is somehow mapped out or has a schedule is that our lives fit in to the schedule on a personal level. ie. We maintain a degree of control over our choices and in some ways can shape our future but within the scope of the bigger 'plan'. If you look into the mayan calendar for example it consists of two seperate counts one personal and universal that work together.
If a society was grounded by such a calendar, in place of the one we have now, how would that lead individuals to relate to each other and the world? It would instill the idea of togetherness and allow apreciation of being part of something perhaps? The foundations are where the problems start.
60. malct said...
53. shipbuilder said...
Malct - Please also have a look at the John Pilger book i've referred to - there is also a film - it will explain my point of view. Compare it to Loose Change, Zeitgeist and the like. Plenty of research, no sign of conspiracy.
shipbuilder, I have John Pilgers book, it is only one piece of a very large jigsaw.
Bookshops of full of novels because many authors don't dare tell the truth.
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