Tuesday, May 27, 2008
Before anyone comments - EU Treaty and HPC are related
The Telegraph: Free enterprise in Europe hangs on Ireland's EU vote
"Can anyone really claim that the Lisbon Treaty is rooted in the democratic assent of the French, Dutch, British, Danes, Swedes, Finns, Poles, and Czechs? We have the spectacle of Gordon Brown refusing to sign the treaty in public because of the potent danger it poses to his Government. A British prime minister slinks away to a private room to commit Britain to an arrangement that alienates the powers of Parliament - in perpetuity and perhaps illegally - knowing that his people would vote 'no' by crushing margins if given a chance. How on earth did we arrive at such a sorry state of affairs?"
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1. sold 2 rent 1 said...
We have been denied a vote on the EU Treaty of Lisbon. Once this is law then we will be denied a vote on the euro entry.
Look how the bubbles bursting in Spain and Ireland that the euro has caused will destroyed their economies.
2. Sneaker said...
The real agenda is to create the much-maligned "New World Order".
Let's leave the conspiracy stuff out of it, because I don't completely agree with it, but certainly since the end of World War II the goal of our masters has been to create a single world state, whether the people want it or not.
3. cornishman said...
It really amazes me that a prime minister, who is in the sh!t as much as Brown is, doesn't want to gain mass popular support for himself by going along with public opinion and giving the public a referendum on the treaty.
If we vote against the treaty, he can take the majority with him and lead the country the way that the people have voted. He would be a hero in the eyes of the majority.
If we are persuaded to vote for it - he will have a mandate to carry on and will have fulfilled his manifesto pledge.
The way he is acting at the moment - he loses whatever happens. Maybe he is just a born loser...
4. sold 2 rent 1 said...
Corno,
Shame on you for displaying such naivety on this subject.
All the UK politicians have been bought off by the EU machine.
We may think we are having a great laugh at Gordo's downfall, but in reality he has just been following his instructions from "his bosses".
Gordo may tumble in the public light but he will be well rewarded for his work.
Great work from WE ARE CHANGE IRELAND for exposing the EU's real intentions
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-4291770489472554607&hl=en
For those who disagree, carry on living in your dream world of debt money, until one day you wake up feeling extremely poor and without a real democracy.
5. pelethar said...
Calm down dear
6. cornishman said...
@S2R1
I agree that GB will be rewarded with a lot of money and a token job or two if he carries on the way he is.
But I don't think that that is what motivates the guy. I think he wants to do what is right and I think he wants us all to like him more than anything else. I don't think he is motivated by personal money.
I think his real problem is that he is torn between doing what I suggest and doing what 'they' want him to. He is dithering.
He is totally different from Blair.
7. mrmickey said...
I've often wondered why any independant politician would want to hand power over to another body it just doesn't make sense. Therefore the only conclusion that can be made is that they are already agents of the EU much like the Soviet stooges that ran countries like Hungary after WWII.
8. cornishman said...
"Shame on you for displaying such naivety on this subject."
On thinking about it some more - I suppose that 'they' could be effectively blackmailing him by threatening all sorts of grief if he breaks ranks.
If I was him, I'd whistleblow the lot of them and pick up whatever from wherever the pieces fell.
But then I'd probably have 'commited suicide' before that, wouldn't I?
9. malct said...
So Who Is Gordon Brown?
As a young politician Brown was a staunch Socialist within the Scottish Labour party. When John Smith became leader of the Labour Party shortly before his premature death, he appointed Brown as Shadow Chancellor. Smith was a member of the steering committee, the inner core of the Bilderberg Group. He got Gordon Brown invited to the 1991 Bilderberg meeting where he was effectively groomed along with Blair as the next big thing in British politics.
Brown has also, as far back as 1998 been listed in the “Global Leaders group” at the World Economic forum (otherwise known as the DAVOS group) . He has often been touted for high ranking IMF positions.
Brown was a traditional Labour figure, the economic spokesman who doesn’tąt know much about economics. He took on an advisor - Ed Balls, a Financial Times leader writer - an ideologist for globalization, in effect - who learned his economic trade at Harvard. Balls is a regular Bilderberg attendee, his name can be found on the attendance lists almost every year since 2001.
Brown soon started going to New England regularly for his summer holidays and became a true believer in the the neo-liberal line from Harvard - Globalization, the Washington consensus.
Brown’s Bilderberg connections were most recently highlighted by Norman Baker, MP for Lewes, who officially requested that Gordon Brown provide details of Bilderberg meetings he has attended.
text and video
http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2007/05/22/so-who-is-gordon-brown-blair-and-new-labour-on-steroids/
10. landofconfusion said...
> 3. sold 2 rent 1 said...
>
> until one day you wake up feeling extremely poor and without a real democracy.
Having just watched 'Taking Liberties' (Ł4.99 delivered - play.com) I can't agree with you more. Sold out to the Americans and to Europe.
What a mess.
11. sold 2 rent 1 said...
Cheers for the overview Malct.
12. drewster said...
malct, Thanks also for the info re Brown and Bilderberg. Never thought there'd be a connection, Brown just didn't seem like the type. Slightly off-topic but I thought Hillary was the Bilderbergs preferred candidate for the US Presidency - how come she's doing so badly?
13. sold 2 rent 1 said...
landofconfusion,
Just read this link
http://www.noliberties.com/book.htm
"The book, published on 25 May 2007, will be followed by Taking Liberties, the film, released in UK cinemas on 8 June by Revolver Entertainment. With contributions from politicians, comedians, human rights lawyers and celebrities, the film will echo the book in calling for Tony Blair to be brought to account, and is brought to the screen by the producer of Michael Moore’s Fahrenheit 9/11 and Bowling for Columbine. "
This film 'Taking Liberties' sounds like a partial investigation/whitewash just like Michael Moore’s Fahrenheit 9/11.
Alex Jones acuses Michael Moore of working for the establishment that he is trying to expose.
Watch Terror Storm for the REAL picture
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230
14. sold 2 rent 1 said...
Remember there is an information war on out there....James... over to you now.....
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16. cornishman said...
@ malct
GB is ambitious and he would want to be included in all the top meetings/Bilderberg etc. But it doesn't follow that he thinks in the same way and is motivated by the same things that motivate the majority of the attendees at such meetings.
In fact, the bad press he is getting could well be the result of him flexing his muscles in ways that are not appreciated by the majority of 'them'.
As drewster says, "Brown just didn't seem like the type".
In an information war one needs to keep an open mind - and not just see only that which confirms one's predjudices.
17. cornishman said...
come on Young_mark, tell us what you really think.
18. icarus said...
s2r1 - "Michael Moore is working for the establishment he is trying to expose" - either that or he is a naive liberal "Oprah for President to get decency back into politics" indeed. Malct - Denis Healey was a founder of the Bilderberg Group, so maybe there isn't that much difference between Old and New Labour.
19. malct said...
Esoteric Agenda - Beyond Zeitgeist
http://polidics.com/ - or - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1131942400352901009&hl=en-GB
20. malct said...
How the European Movement was launched
CIA and the Labour Party
and
How CIA Money Took the Teeth Out of Socialism
Since the Second World War the American Government and its espionage branch, the Central Intelligence Agency, have worked systematically to ensure that teh Socialist parties of the free world toe a line compatible with American interests...CIA money can be traced flowing through the Congress for Cultural Freedom to such magazines as Encounter which have given Labour politicians like Anthony Crosland, Denis Healy and the late Hugh Gaitskell a platform for their campaigns to move the Labour Party away from nationalisation and CND-style pacifism. Flows of personnel link this Labour Party pressure group with the unlikely figure of Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, who has for 20 years sponsored the mysterious activities of the anti-Communist Bilderberg group launched with covert American funds.
http://www.wcml.org.uk/internat/wattw.htm - and
http://www.wcml.org.uk/internat/euromove.htm
21. malct said...
Uncle Sam's New Labour
Robin Ramsay
'The New Labour project has always been defined in an Anglo-American context.' 1
Gordon Brown used to tell interviewers that he spent his summer holidays in the library at Harvard University. In 1986, CND member Tony Blair went on one of those US-sponsored trips to America that are available for promising MPs and came back a supporter of the nuclear deterrent.2 Blair, Brown and John Monks, an important Blair ally as head of the TUC, have all attended meetings of the Bilderberg group, one of the meeting places of the European-American trans-national elite.3
David Miliband, Blair's head of policy, did a Masters degree at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.4 Jonathan Powell, Blair's foreign policy adviser, is a former Foreign Office official whose previous posting was in the British Embassy in Washington.5 Edward Balls, Gordon Brown's economics adviser, studied at Harvard, wrote editorials for the Financial Times, and was about to join the World Bank before he joined Brown.6 His wife, 1997 MP Yvette Cooper, also studied at Harvard.
Sue Nye, Gordon Brown's personal assistant, lives with Gavyn Davies, chief economist with the American bankers, Goldman Sachs, and one of Labour's chief economic advisers.7 Majorie Mowlam, now Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, did a PhD at the University of Iowa and then taught in the United States in the 1970s.8 Chris Smith, now Heritage Minister, was a Kennedy Scholar in the USA -- as were David Miliband and Ed Balls.9
And then there's Peter Mandelson, Blair's confidant, chief strategist and, as this was being written, Minister without Portfolio. By the end of his final year at Oxford University in 1976, via the United Nations Association, Mandelson had become Chair of British Youth Council.10 The British Youth Council began as the British section of the World Assembly of Youth (WAY), which was set up and financed by the CIA and SIS in the early 1950s to combat the Soviet Union's youth fronts.11
By Mandelson's time in the mid-1970s -- under a Labour Government -- the British Youth Council was said to be financed by the Foreign Office, though that may have been a euphemism for SIS. Peter Mandelson, we were told in 1995 by Donald McIntyre in the Independent, is 'a pillar of the two blue-chip foreign affairs think-tanks, Ditchley Park and Chatham House.'12
Peter Mandelson, Majorie Mowlam, Defence Minister George Robertson, Heritage Minister Chris Smith, and junior Foreign Office Minister in the House of Lords, Elizabeth Symons,
are all members of the British-American Project for a Successor Generation (BAP),
the latest in the long line of American-funded networks which promote American interests among the British political elite.13 The BAP newsletter for June/July 1997 headlined its account of the May 1997 General Election, 'Big Swing to BAP'.
also We are powerless
'New Labour' believes -- but is unwilling to state in so many words -- that governments can do nothing against the power of trans-national finance. This belief has become the acid test for 'New Labour'. In the Commons debate on the Nick Leeson-Barings debacle on 27 February 1996, it was Sir Peter Tapsell, a High Tory stockbroker, not Shadow Chancellor Gordon Brown or Labour's City spokesman Alastair Darling, who declared that the derivatives market was 'so speculative in nature as to deserve the term gambling and perhaps should be banned in international law.'
http://www.variant.randomstate.org/6texts/Robin_Ramsay.html
22. Ijjhall said...
@S2R
If you wish to focus on democracy, for the record, two thirds of the British constitution is completely unelected. Just what are we giving up exactly ? Freedom to bring back the death penalty, to scrap what little rights exist to low paid workers and govt by the leader writers of the Murdoch Press...No Thanks.
23. malct said...
drewster re clinton - looks like these people got too close!
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/5193
The 2008 US Presidential Elections are over. The Zionists and ...4 Jan 2008 ... The people advising the leading candidates in either party are some ... Senator Barack Obama’s list includes President Carter’s National ...
www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/5193 - 18k - Cached - Similar pages
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24. landofconfusion said...
> 13. sold 2 rent 1 said...
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> This film 'Taking Liberties' sounds like a partial investigation/whitewash just like Michael Moore’s Fahrenheit 9/11.
Actually it's very good and very well put together. Although not a funny as Fahrenheit it is a lot more objective.
The extras are quite good as well. I especially liked the bit where the member of the press was assaulted by a police officer and had to be carried off (eventually, after the police allowed it) on a spinal board with a neck brace.
> Watch Terror Storm for the REAL picture
I've just watched though 1/2 of it and I didn't think that it was particually good. It was a bit like watching a Fox News report. I'd like it a lot more if it actually followed objective reporting procedues, i.e. cited sources, interviewed the 'other side' and actually asked credible whitneses as opposed to people they just happened to meet in the street.
Also the bit where they were stopped and challenged by a police officer - well what do you expect? They were walking London around filming cameras, police, underground stations, train stations etc and then were surprised when a policeman asked them what they were doing.
On another point you are right though - Neu Liebour are raging an information war. One of the extras involved a director of Privacy International and the LSE report into ID cards. The things which Liebour did to try and discredit/destroy him were simply breathtaking.
25. sold 2 rent 1 said...
landofconfusion,
Keep up the research. You will reach the truth in the end.
We can expect a big change in consciousness around 6 July 2008
http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-terror-rehearsal.html
26. planning4acrash said...
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27. sold 2 rent 1 said...
Nice find P4AC,
Will LAW make POWER more ETHICAL here
Commons Speaker Michael Martin to challenge Lisbon Treaty
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/1991134/Speaker-Michael-Martin-to-challenge-Lisbon-Treaty.html
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