Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008
The arrival of the USS Abraham Lincoln in the Gulf follows a noticeable hardening in US rhetoric against Iran for meddling in Iraq and playing a destabilizing role in the region
the truthseeker: Deployment of second carrier to Gulf a 'reminder': Gates
you may consider this off topic if you don't believe closing the Strait of Hormuz will affect your personal finances
US Secretary of Defense Robert Gates said Tuesday the deployment of a second aircraft carrier to the Gulf should be seen as a "reminder" of US military power in the region.
But Gates flatly denied that the United States was preparing the ground for military strikes against Iran.
"I don't think we'll have two carriers for a protracted period of time. So I don't see it as an escalation. I think it could be seen, though, as a reminder," Gates told reporters here during a visit with Mexican officials
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1. robh said...
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/BUSINESS/04/30/iran.oil.ap/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
2. malct said...
spot on robh great link
wake the people up
3. hpwatcher said...
I'd like to know how they think they are going to pay for any more action in the gulf?
4. indiablue19 said...
In that vein, notice that there quite definitely IS a troop buildup on Russia's border with Georgia. The 1100 mile pipeline across Georgia holds 10 million barrels of crude oil, pumped from the Caucasus oil fields since July 2006. Anybody noticing a pattern to the tensions building here?
5. indiablue19 said...
OK, now here's my question. Are the industrial robber barons and captains of industry TRYING to create havoc, famine, war, starvation and armageddon? Have they attracted the Kirstie's and Phil's, The BTL maniacs, the subsidized farmers who grow rapeseed instead of food, and the rest of that gullible ilk, as part of the master plan? Or are the industrial greed mongers just completely uncoordinated and simply so stupid as to destroy the entire earth and all of us [and ultimately themselves] for no discernible reason?
6. malct said...
5. indiablue19 said...
OK, now here's my question. Are the industrial robber barons and captains of industry TRYING to create havoc, famine, war, starvation and armageddon?
YES
oh no they're not
oh yes they are
not
are
who needs religion when you have climate change?
oh no you haven't
oh yes you have
not
have
ad infinitum
7. indiablue19 said...
I'll settle for your opinion.
8. Tom101 said...
I don't see US, Russia, UK, China and France (UN security council five and really the only five important countries in the World.........not) being as naive as suggested by many on this site. I can see them as overconfident though. War would be bad but is probably pencilled in for next couple of months. As long as it doesn't impact on us (violently)....do you really care?
9. plato said...
Iraq! ............ Afghanistan! ............ Iran?........... Recognising break-away States............ Splitting Countries............. Deploying weapons all around the Russians...... Inviting countries bordering the Russians to join NATO............. etc.etc............
USS Abraham Lincoln has arrived.............. Now let me see : Is there something going on here?
Call me simple but I don't think this will help the value of my property. Best not to realise it then....................
10. plato said...
Here we go :
Iran, OPEC's second-largest producer, has stopped conducting oil transactions in U.S. dollars, a top Oil Ministry official said Wednesday, in a concerted attempt to reduce reliance on Washington at a time of tension over Tehran's nuclear program and suspected involvement in Iraq.
"The dollar has totally been removed from Iran's oil transactions," Oil Ministry official Hojjatollah Ghanimifard told state-run television Wednesday. "We have agreed with all of our crude oil customers to do our transactions in non-dollar currencies."
11. Cybervigilantes said...
plato said... "here we go"
Here we go indeed,
General knowledge question: what was the name of the last chap who decided to stop selling oil in dollars only to find that lots of stories were then made up about him to fool the people into supporting an invasion against him?
12. planning4acrash said...
India Blue; If you study chaos theory, you understand that various parts, put together, form a whole, that takes on a life of its own. That whole can be self defeating, self balancing or self reinforcing. A self reinforcing system inflates, repeating patterns that feed upon themselves, to levels of instability, known in the science as bifurcation points. At these points, parts of the system are destroyed and then re-form in a new way. This creates cycles, where each new cycle repeats a similar pattern, but never exactly the same pattern.
Essentially, a system becomes a chaotic self-reinforcing system with an absence of self-balancing feedback. Feedback is when one part is affected by the affect it has on others. Self-balancing feedback occurs when feedback is sophisticated to affect behaviour to the extent that destructive actions are avoided.
It is therefore completely plausible to say that there is no grand design, but that a lack of self-balancing feedback in the system (society & economy) ensures that power imbalances, etc. naturally go to extremes and points of instability, creating patterns of boom and bust in all areas of life. Essentially, one may say that society has not yet evolved to the stage where it can avoid concentration of power and chaos.
This is why I love the Calleman/Lungold model, which interprets the Mayan Calender to suggest that the internet and its ability to galvanise people's awareness of reality, e.g. ethics, is the penultimate step towards evolution being complete in 2011-12 (depending on calender interpretations). It may well be a fairy tale. But our understanding of systems confirms that a system can be partially or fully evolved. The final stage is co-creation, which is consistent with the development of a self-balancing system, in the way described within chaos theory.
For an intro, see the following book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Chaos-Making-Science-James-Gleick/dp/0749386061/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1209583137&sr=8-1
13. layers said...
@indiablue19 - Elements of the Elite are very 'busy' at the moment.
14. shipbuilder said...
p4ac, it's not just plausible to say that there is no grand design, but logically, one should reach that conclusion in the absence of evidence to the contrary. Religion is a perfect example of the tendency of humans to ascribe design to events that can't be explained and indeed any event when looked at in hindsight can be interpreted in this way.
Imagine someone observing two groups of people walking in the same direction, for example - one a group of friends who agreed to walk together and one simply random members of the public with the same destination. Both look the same, so how does the observer tell which is which? How can someone observing tell if such behaviour is planned, or simply the result of individuals wishing to achieve the same goals? Without being able to ask them directly or overhear their conversations, one would have to rely on observation, one would have to look at history of human behaviour and the likelihood of such scenarios based on past events. In such a case, one would have to conclude that, like the majority of people every day, they simply have a common destination.
15. shipbuilder said...
One would also most likely make the conclusion that fitted with their world view, or the conclusion that is of most benefit to them. Or if the destination was a bad one, it might be more comfortable to separate the group and see it as an organised anomaly, rather than admit that it is typical human behaviour or the failure of a system that one had previously supported.
16. titaniccaptain said...
go on George bomb them and get the oil so we can all live happily ever after
17. planning4acrash said...
A qualification. There are conspiracies, but their presence does not need to be explained by a deeper conspiracy. These are just individuals and groups playing a role that our society as a whole creates. If individuals and society change, and that is happening, the role will no longer exist. As they often say, change begins within. Internet and free media, communication and dissemination of information it brings are the crucial part of that process. It appears that one last change needs to occur; as I've said before, I think that it will be a collective understanding of how systems, i.e. physical reality, operate. That abstract understanding lets all people at all levels of society recognise and rectify unhealthy patterns and identify appropriate solutions.
18. titaniccaptain said...
@planning for a crash 17
Only problem is that all this situation from the credit crunch to the war on terror is orchestrated..........the public will cry out against the system then there will be an answer......one world currancy.....what was predicted years ago is coming to pass.......the oil situation in the middle east and the multinational corps desire to get their greedy hands on it is also a smoke screen. As is our seemingly incompetent government and our banking mismanagement its all a con.......there is a higher agenda
19. planning4acrash said...
Yes, BUT, I am saying that we are part of the system. WE are part of the conspiracy!! The system can only change if we change ourselves and the parts of us that let us be ruled and subsumed by vested interests.
The assumption here is, that this crisis, unlike 1930, has a free access, democratic media via the internet. The critical mass required for change is far less than most would believe. Groups on the margin change the world. The sheeple will follow the right path once enough people on the margins of society make change happen.
20. titaniccaptain said...
There is no war on terror. There is no cause and effect global crisis its all to create a system of fear to bring in a new world order to enslave the human race. The outcry at the Global situation will give rise to change............BUT thats the danger THE CHANGE will be the illusion of freedom because the outcome has already been predetermined
21. bystander said...
"I'd like to know how they think they are going to pay for any more action in the gulf?" @hpwatcher
..........haven't you seem the price of oil recently??????
22. planning4acrash said...
I don't think it will work. For one reason. It is all based on Fiat currency and similar such things. These are fundamentally unstable. They only survive now through being counterbalanced by opposing forces. Fiat currency, etc. are like the liquid. Other systems being destroyed are like the bottle. It is like a yeast colony when it is allowed to multiply infinitum, it never does, because it fouls its own water and self-destructs. I have no doubt that these things will be imposed, but I believe that their imposition will be their downfall, along with free chatter on the web about what is going on, and an affective intellectual resistance that will grow and grow and grow, until ethics overcomes power.
23. titaniccaptain said...
The problem is that we have changed already and our thoughts and actions are programed by our media even the fringe media is the opposite side to the coin yet without the one side of the coin the other does not exist the mind controll involved here has been subtle and taken place over thousands of years even when we think we are free in our thought we are simply slaves to the opposite side of thinking
24. shipbuilder said...
p4ac, you're essentially saying in post 17 what I have been saying all along that there is no overriding conspiracy, yet that doesn't tally with most of your other posts on the NWO. Can you explain? Perhaps you mean NWO as a loose description of varied interests rather than an organised whole (rather like Al-Qaeda, actually)?
25. titaniccaptain said...
@bystander
good point about ethics. However in my opinion (lets face it all this is subjective and down to our own experiences) ethics are handed down from generation to generation and the way we react i.e. my dad loved jazz so I rebeled and hated it then becasue he was the paternal figure and role model for a father I then became my father liking jazz as i have grown older......There is a saying that every man becomes his father eventually thats because of the way our brains are wired........Unless there is a conciouse revolt against the programing handed down for eons
26. bystander said...
"I can see them as overconfident though. War would be bad but is probably pencilled in for next couple of months. As long as it doesn't impact on us (violently)....do you really care?" @tom101
...yes, I do care. The US and UK and all the rest are playing a game with millions of lives, not just those of the Iraqi's, Afghans or indeed the Iranians. Thousands of US troops killed, 3,000+ killed in 9/11, but hundreds of thousands of Afghan and Iraqi civilians killed, just to keep the oil flowing and the profits flowing in the 'right' directions. I care about bully boy tactics and colateral damages, I care a whole bloody lot, and so should you.
27. titaniccaptain said...
There is a conspiracy but its not one of material gain i.e. for nations to gain wealth via a war for oil or a financial meltdown due to bad lending practices......they are the precursor to the real event
28. planning4acrash said...
Ship builder. I am saying that society is wired to have powerful people with an agenda. That the way we are set up, its inevitable. That if the Rothschild's or whatever weren't at it, that there would be others. As is the case, that we have been ruled by all powerful monarchs for thousands of yrs, before this brief period of "democracy". I am saying that as part of that society, we are just as much a part of it, through our awareness and actions as the ruling class.
The things that conspiracists identify are caused by human nature and the society that is yet to evolve. Society pushes certain personality types towards controlling events, whilst others are pushed into submissive positions. E.Berne's Transactional Analysis theory is a great example. That many relationships morph into a parent child game, but that healthy, aware behaviour is adult-adult. This plays out on the 1 to 1 relationship level as much as it plays out globally. What I am saying is, that it could not occur globally if it stopped occuring in our 1 to 1 relationships, because they are what make society what it is. Does that make sense? Or did I just tie myself in knots?!
29. planning4acrash said...
Also, note that financial collapse is much better than a five year bloody world war. Things are indeed getting better.
30. titaniccaptain said...
P4AC
I like that
31. indiablue19 said...
So, let me get this straight then, according to P4Crash, a big part of the final stage of development of mankind is the internet, which finally begins to account for the adult-adult relationship that has been missing; an equalisation where the overweaning and patronising Big Shots are getting the feedback they've long needed to balance the growth of civilisation and its childish tendencies towards chaos and poor distribution of power. If there are enough HPC sites, and so forth, can intelligence win?
32. planning4acrash said...
I enough people read newspapers and qualify what the newspapers, politicians, et al. say with freely available countermedia, then yes. We identify lies in news stories every day. If enough people question lies then there won't be enough of them.
If, for example, enough people knew that the bank bail outs were causing inflation and that inflation is stupidly high and meant that all are suffering pay cuts, then politicians would have to do something about it. Most people are still happy blaming the Muslims and Saudi Arabia.
It couldn't be all about this format, all small things are doing it subtly. For example, myspace has given me awareness that many musicians are 10x better than those hyped by the major record labels and I don't buy them anymore. Many people are doing this and the major record companies are falling like lead balloons. e-bay is putting people in contact with small time traders that can underprice and provide better quality sometimes than big chain shops. With u-tube, etc. we stop just watching what media companies tell us too. Its a systemic change that is occurring at all levels of society. We are only a very small part of that, power slowly eroded, but I hope it snaps at some point.
33. malct said...
http://www.thealternativeview.co.uk/index.php
34. malct said...
In a thought-provoking presentation, Andy Thomas scrutinises some of the threads which quietly bind together current global events and the programme against human liberty effectively launched by the dubious events of 9/11. Looking beyond the some of the more obvious 'conspiracy' accusations, Andy looks at the important role that undeclared esoteric thinking in influential circles may also be playing. Religious apparitions, psychic phenomena, visions of the future and ancient prophecies; beliefs in these, whatever the reality, may play a wider part than many suspect in determining the growing climate of fear and manipulation. What simple steps can be taken to create rational, positive change and transform the global agenda..?
http://www.thealternativeview.co.uk/speakers.php
35. Rh006c8944 said...
There will not be an attack on Iran at any time.