Monday, Mar 17, 2008
Explosion of mega bearish articles
Market Oracle: Derivatives Dominos Start Falling Threatening Collapse of the Shadow Banking System
Other titles posted on market oracle
Gold: The Leading Indicator of Systemic Financial Collapse
US Banking System in a Vicious Circle Ending In Systemic Financial Meltdown
Over Leveraged Hedge Funds Dancing with the Devil
The Road to Hyperinflation- Vive La France!
Central Banks $2.5 Trillion Money Supply Fails to Stop Global Deleveraging -
Beware a Parabolic Rise Culminates in Market Crash
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1. cornishman said...
Stand by for the ostriches claiming that this site is spreading too much doom and gloom and scaring people and that this hasn't got anything to do with house prices...
2. japanese uncle said...
This ought to have been said 20 years ago, but just BAN ALL OFF-BALANCE SHEET CONS.
3. sold 2 rent 1 said...
So where are we going?
2 graphs
DJ 3000
Martin Armstrong's PI 8.6 year cycle
March 22 (Saturday) is set for the low in the economic index. But which index? S&P, DJ, FTSE, or all of them.
From the first graph, the DJIA is set to hit 3000 by 2012. IMHO as the debt bubble is much bigger than the 1930s, and the future crash as analysed by Robert Prechter is set to finish off a 250 year stocks cycle, then we can expect the DJIA to be sub 1000 by 2012.
Martin Armstrong's model is setting up a clasic a-b-c downleg (or dead cat bounce) for April 2009.
If I had to guess what this Easter low for DJIA will be. Somewhere between 8,000 and 10,000.
Remember there is an enormous amount of bad news to come out this summer. And I don't just mean financial bad news. We have some serious corruption from the politicians, corporations, and mass media in the covering up their involvement in the 911 and 77 attacks.
Remember this is the fifth night in Calleman's model; an enormously destructive phase where the NWO is brought down by the Ethically minded masses.
4. harold said...
I highly recommend "The Road to Hyperinflation- Vive La France!" by Schiff.
S2R1, I hope you jump back into... you know what.
5. harold said...
This is from "Beware a Parabolic Rise Culminates in Market Crash"
"History will look back on the United States Federal Reserve System and conclude that it was one of the most ill-conceived, nonsensical concepts ever to have been concocted by a bunch of testosterone addled egomaniacs who were lunging to become Masters of the Universe."
Sweet.
6. alan said...
The article provides pessimistic reading:
"The world's most transparent and profitable markets have been transformed into a carnival sideshow managed by hucksters, flim-flam men, and rip off artists. The Bear bailout is yet another glaring example of a system that lacks all credibility and is quickly self-destructing".
7. happyrenterz said...
CDS Stress. Bear Stearns is the top plot but Lehman is in hot pursuit!
http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2008/03/17/11632/investment-banking-cds-stress/
8. sold 2 rent 1 said...
harold,
"S2R1, I hope you jump back into... you know what."
If the mising words are "the real world" then you are amlost correct - except you have the wrong side of the coin.
It is the reality that is changing. Most people can't see the new reality until the old one has been destroyed. That is just the way evolution works.
9. rickyb said...
I notice that the "Economic Confidence Model" graph only goes as far back as 1985. Do we assume from this that this model was not relevant prior to this date, or just that the data before this time inconveniently does not support the model? What is the graph actually showing, as there appear to be no labels on the vertical axis?
10. cornishman said...
s2r1 - I think you may be suffering from an overload of abuse. I took harold to mean gold. But now he feels he can't mention the word!
11. sold 2 rent 1 said...
rickyb,
Read Martin's article in 1999 before he was imprisoned.
http://www.contrahour.com/contrahour/2006/06/martin_armstron.html
Read the comments too. The are interesting.
"The model was first published a couple of decades ago but was used to forecast the 1980-81 peak in inflation in the late 1970's. It is known as the Princeton Economic's 'Economic Confidence Model' and was a part of Armstrong's 32,000 variable artificial intelligence super-computer model, which Armstrong said had "perhaps the largest economic database in the world, some of which he got from the london museum, including records from ancient Babylon, so I believe him when he says that he backtested the cycles into the ancient world"
12. sold 2 rent 1 said...
harold,
What is the problem with mentioning gold?
GOLD. GOLD. GOLD. GOLD.
GOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
If people haven't realised yet, HPC is in the back seat.
Everybody needs to fucus on wealth preservation.
Fiat currencies are being destroyed
13. Titaniccaptain said...
Can anyone recomend a worth switching to from the pound?
14. rocket robbie said...
S2r1
What is your strategy to buying into GOLD at the monent??
I have money in my trading account but i am worried about putting my money in, in case there is a major correction in the next week or two.
Just wondered if your riding the highs & lows or if your waiting for a crash to happen as predicted in those graphs then going in
15. sold 2 rent 1 said...
rocket robbie,
I am fully loaded with gold/gold stocks at the moment.
I realise there may be a correction this week or next as general stocks crash into a low.
If gold/gold stocks do get pulled down by a general market sell-off then this is a good thing as the final spike is all about how far away from the 200 dma the gold price is. Any correction will allow the 200 dma to catch up with the gold price and should make the May/June spike even higher.
One last consideration is in any market panic, the G7 may introduce exchange/capital controls which may leave ownership of gold illegal. I am not sure how they would force people to sell gold, but they may make it harder for people to buy.
The NWO have a target to prevent us from preserving our wealth. Then we will all beg for mercy.
You need to get your head around these ideas because they are BIG and SCARY. These people were prepared to blow up their own citizens for their own greed. They are after absolute power.
16. japanese uncle said...
s2r
Don't speak out too much truth.
17. harold said...
S2R1, yes cornishman was right I did mean gold, or any other commodity you care to mention (silver, for example). And yes, I didn't want to mention "it" lest "it" unleash a torrent of whinging. With respect to the "real world", I have no issue with you - I don't know whether the calendar stuff is right, but things are changing, and IMHO not a moment too soon. What do you see when you walk down the street? Houses? Cars (especially BMW X5s)? Shops? Banks? Well, I see debt.
JU is right, sometime one must be circumspect with truth; it might burn.
18. harold said...
... and should anyone be thinking of getting into ETFs, please read:
http://goldmoney.com/en/commentary.php
19. nopensionnohouse said...
“The NWO have a target to prevent us from preserving our wealth. Then we will all beg for mercy.
You need to get your head around these ideas because they are BIG and SCARY. These people were prepared to blow up their own citizens for their own greed. They are after absolute power.”
Nice one s2r, I haven’t heard a good conspiracy theory since last Friday here on HPC.
I Googled NWO and I haven’t read such a lot of cr@p since I last picked up Daily Mail or Express.
Before you say it – No I’m not Brainwashed and I wasn’t subjected to electronic mind control from the time I spent in the womb… Like it says on some of the NWO conspiracy web sites. It makes great reading if you have the time.
No, really!
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21. harold said...
Ah, here comes the torrent...
22. quiet guy said...
Hee Hee!
Never a dull moment when S2R1 posts his alterative ideas.
SR21, you have posted numerous comments about conspiracy theories, including 911.
A while back, when I was feeling bored, I had a look at some YouTube 911 conspiracy theories then stumbled upon this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/user/RKOwens4
He seems to do a pretty good job at debunking the 911 'inside job' allegations. Ever seen his stuff? Anything to say about it?
Oh, and please don't dismiss me a sockpuppet/agent for evil or whatever; I'm just asking if you've looked at the counter arguments.
23. quiet guy said...
@harold
"torrent"
Normally, S2R1's non-house topics just annoy me but I seem to be in a better mood today. Perhaps it's because the sun is shining. My previous post was made in a light-hearted mood. I'm not looking for a flame war or anything like that.
24. shipbuilder said...
With regard to conspiracy theories and the NWO, I think many people are mistaking the system and the groups it benefits for an organized overreaching entity.
Our economic system benefits those who already have power and money because those with money and power are greedy and are in the position to use those powers to create a syetem that benefits them more than others, which they have done - this has been the way throughout history.
It is quite another thing to believe that because this powerful group of people is small, that they are organized, in cahoots whith each other etc. etc. - I think this is giving them too much credit.
They are simply a bunch of greedy, power-hungry thieves that would steal off each other as soon as from anyone else - the mistake is seeing this common purpose of accumulation as organization.
This conclusion however, doesn't make the threat any less real - it's just that the threat is from the system, not a shadowy organisation.
Unfortunately talk of a NWO enables people to take the very real threat less seriously - the problem with a lot of conspiracy theories.
25. rickyb said...
quiet guy - surely you must realise that anyone who debunks 911 conspiracy theories (or any other conspiracy theories for that matter) is actually working for the CIA.
26. nopensionnohouse said...
I have been thinking:
Conspiracy theories are themselves a conspiracy to create conspiracies.
Wow, I think my head just exploded.
27. happyrenterz said...
All this sarcasm is unwelcome. Even though I don't agree with all that is said, at least s2r and others suggesting there are conspiracies to hide the truth mean what they say and are not trying to wind you up. If you feel a counter comment is required then just say "don't agree with that" etc. Sarcasm and ridicule just make for unpleasant reading.
28. sold 2 rent 1 said...
quiet guy,
I watched a few of the debunking videos.
All I can say is both camps are "tooled up" for this "information war".
Expect the battle to be the bloodiest in May/June and by October the world to be a very different place.
29. layers said...
"nopensionnohouse" - do you really expect the 'truth' to be just sitting there on 'Google', waiting for you to become enlightened?! Do your own research instead of 'throwing the baby out with the bath water' and undermining S2R - I bet you're still convinced that Oswald was the lone gun man - LOL!!!!
30. cornishman said...
shipbuilder, I agree, a lot of the problem seems to be with the terminology being used here. I don't think that anyone has proposed that a certain group of people will 'take over' but that appears to be how some others have taken it.
As you say, the system which favours the few is abusing the many. Whether this will ultimately end in its destruction, we shall see. But to be as prepared for that eventuality as possible is not a bad idea.
31. nopensionnohouse said...
“…I bet you're still convinced that Oswald was the lone gun man…”
What? This is incredible. Next you’ll be telling me Father Christmas isn’t real??
How about this for a conspiracy. What if I am an agent working under cover on the web to keep people brainwashed.
But seriously I think @Shipbuilder sums it up nicely when he says:
“They are simply a bunch of greedy, power-hungry thieves that would steal off each other as soon as from anyone else - the mistake is seeing this common purpose of accumulation as organization.”
I'm afraid it is simple and sad as that. Nothing more, Nothing less.
32. James said...
S2R1
"Expect the battle to be the bloodiest in May/June and by October the world to be a very different place."
Please expand. I would like to know what to look for to validate your prediction.
I note that on the big thread a couple of days ago you said May for the 'bloodiest battle' phase and this is now May/June. What has changed?
33. Thexfactor said...
sold 2 rent 1's ideas are not so alternative. Just look at the after effects of 911. Tighter bank and govt control. More and even more id control.
They want the financial system to crash so that we all in the future will be using electronic money. That way the nwo will know exactly how much we earn, spend and what on....
34. layers said...
nopensionnohouse: "I'm afraid it is simple and sad as that. Nothing more, Nothing less."(@Shipbuilder )
Well the evidence doesn't support this statement - hence I mentioned doing your own research!
"A mind is like a parachute. It only works if it's open" Frank Zapper.
35. sold 2 rent 1 said...
James,
Martin Armstrong's model has shown us that mathematics is governing life/evolution.
Calleman's model shows that the mathematics is not only cyclical but exponential
Expect more show-biz types like Charlie Sheen and Marion Cotillard to come out into the open about 911.
Expect more details about Michael Todd, the Chief Constable of Greater Manchester.
Expect more crazy actions from celebs (EG Robbie Williams giving up pop music to chase aliens)
Expect more comments from types like Mel Gibson. Us Magazine reported that Gibson also said jokingly, “I just wanna draw the parallels. I don’t wanna be a doomsayer, but the Mayan calendar ends in 2012. So have fun, boys and girls!”
Mid to late May is the mid point in the fifth night. The same mid-point in the last fifth night corresponds to the Battle for Stalingrad (the bloodiest battle in WW2).
So far this fifth night has all been about economic destruction (like the 1930s). Soon this economic destruction will spill over into war. The war this time will not be physical, but an informatrion war.
36. nopensionnohouse said...
@layers "A mind is like a parachute. It only works if it's open" Frank Zapper”.
I think you will find he was talking about being on drugs and how it can help in creating music…
During the comedown the paranoia will make you think “they are after you”.
37. James said...
So, S2R1...
1. Expect more show-biz types like Charlie Sheen and Marion Cotillard to come out into the open about 911
Already happening, agree there's probably more out there. It's not known as lalaland for nothing...
2. Expect more details about Michael Todd, the Chief Constable of Greater Manchester.
You and cornishman are already making these up
3. Expect more crazy actions from celebs (EG Robbie Williams giving up pop music to chase aliens)
I'd *always* expect crazy comments from celebs. It's part of what they do, isn't it? I'd also classify this as the same as your first point.
4. Expect more comments from types like Mel Gibson... (quote on Mayan calendar)
Who is a celebrity. A celebrity anti-Semite (with some fairly funny views about the English too, as I recall) so I'll class this as the same as 3, which has a lot in common with 1.
So - your point (as far as I can make out) is that May/June will see a continuation of conspiracy theories and celebs saying batty things. I wholeheartedly agree (!) but it's hardly news, is it? Doesn't really class as 'information war' or a 'bloody battle' as you've been terming it
How's about something falsifiable? Something that will prove you might be on the right track, that any one of the models you refer to might be a useful indicator.
38. bystander said...
"The war this time will not be physical, but an informatrion war."
.............agreed s2r1: the Chinese government, always allowing free speach etc. has just blocked google/ you tube from showing images from Tibet (not unexpected), but the BRitish government hiding the wholesale destruction of the pound in your pocket (in collusion with all major opposition parties and the mass media), pushing the message that all is well etc. etc. is just as bad as blocking images of oppression. The information war is here and is gathering pace. I want to know where we can get our thoughts here, out into the public arena? I feel muzzled and I do not like it.
39. quiet guy said...
@sold 2 rent 1,
Thanks for feedback. I hope you find the time to look at some more RKOwens4 sometime. Personally, I think shipbuilder's comments are very appropriate. People are capable of amazing greed and stupidity and although there are certainly lots of mendacious governments, the most common failing is to make mistakes not brew up conspiracies. I think we will just have to agree to disagree here ...
40. sold 2 rent 1 said...
quiet guy,
The problem I have with the "greed and stupidity" answer is that it leaves us nicely in our comfort zone. Just as the Michael Moore 911 documentary did.
The Calleman/Lungold evolution model has shown us time and time again that evolution only progresses to the next level of consciousness when the comfort zone is removed. It is human nature to want to stay in the comfort zone. I am fortunate enough to have had the time to study all the facts and now no longer deny the truth. It is scary at first as everyone you know rejects your ideas.
Gradually and slowly your friends and family start to see the truth too. Gold and NR bank have played a big part on people starting to realize what is happening. The next phase of the information war will be tricky again but events are moving fast now.
RKOwens4 is a bit like David Smith's blog. He will ignore your best arguments and tackle your weakest arguments. Anyone skimming the facts will not see the truth.
41. layers said...
@nopensionnohouse: And I suppose V for Vendetta was just about a drug-induced paranoid Orwelian rant?!?
42. shipbuilder said...
When a large, newsworthy event happens - an air crash, natural disaster etc. there are ALWAYS unanswered questions. However, the fact that something is questionable means nothing in itself, other than there is a question that needs to be answered. That a government subsequently uses such a disaster to further its agenda presents no evidence in any way that the government was involved in said disaster. Previous actions by any other governments are no evidence either. I have seen the stories by both sides here and I have no reason to believe anything other than the reported events.
9/11 conspiracy theorists of every stripe use the same logic to present their arguments as that of religious believers - if something cannot be explained, that hole must be filled by something - anything, that can then be presented as the truth, with no credible evidence other than a vague 'belief'.
People believe what they want to believe - every single scientist on the face of this planet could swear under the threat of death on live TV that man-made global warming exists and is provable and some would still call it a lie because they want to continue their existance undisturbed by the 'eco-nazis'
Of course all of it takes away from the real issues that are affecting people's lives - if any of the 9/11 theories were true and proven, it would make NO DIFFERENCE - trust in politicians is at an all-time low - the people would just replace those in power with a carbon copy.
The sad thing - and I think we all know this - is that even if a plan for a NWO/one world govenment were revealed to be true people now - they would welcome it with open arms if it guaranteed money in their pockets and a continuing comfortable consumerist existence.
43. nopensionnohouse said...
@layers. “…drug-induced paranoid Orwelian rant…”
Lol, well almost. It's fiction anyway.
I had to Google “V for Vendetta” and “Zappa” to make sure but I think you have some wires crosses some where. Again good old Wiki comes to my rescue. Second time today as well!
I don’t think Mr. Zappa had anything to do with creating V for Vendetta http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Zappa
So check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta
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V for Vendetta is a ten-issue comic book series written by Alan Moore and illustrated mostly by David Lloyd, set in a dystopian future United Kingdom imagined from the 1980s about the 1990s. A mysterious anarchist named "V" works to destroy the totalitarian government, profoundly affecting the people he encounters.
The series is set in a near-future Britain after a limited nuclear war, which has left much of the world destroyed. In this future, an extreme fascist party called Norsefire has arisen and is now the ruling power. "V", an anarchist revolutionary dressed in a Guy Fawkes mask, begins an elaborate, violent and theatrical campaign to bring down the government.
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So apart from the nuclear war leaving much of the world being destroyed, BNP on top of things and an anarchist dude dressed in a mask and Guy Fawkes costume running around swishing a sword making V signs you might be onto something!
Small details hey? Still look on the bright side: making me Google things to respond is teaching me stuff. So thank you ;o)