Monday, Jan 21, 2008

More taxpayers money to Rock

BBC News: Rock plan 'best meets objective'

The gov. will guarantee NR bonds and sell them. This still leaves the UK taxpayer underwriting any defaults. Biggest financial assistance to any company in history.

Posted by stillthinking @ 04:45 PM (379 views) Add Comment

11 Comments

1. who stole my pension? said...

Lets keep slicing and dicing Are these bonds not really mortgage backed securities? Is the Bank of England not just another big bank that is going to make a hugh loss on subprime loans? Ok I now that these are bonds guaranteed by the government but is this not really the same as subprime. After all the governments can also go bust!

Monday, January 21, 2008 05:52PM Report Comment
 

2. su said...

"Chancellor Alistair Darling has said his plan to save Northern Rock best protects taxpayers and depositors while maintaining financial stability."

I'm still struggling to understand why so much tax-payers money needed to be poured into Northern Rock and how this money is going to be protected.

Monday, January 21, 2008 08:00PM Report Comment
 

3. paul said...

It won't be protected - in fact, it increases the taxpayers' liability manyfold.

If there is a house price crash (duh), and The Crock's asset value declines significantly, the loans will go bad and won't be sold and the taxpayers won't get much back of their £25bn (which is an eye-watering amount of money).

The Labour government has effectively made every taxpayer in the land dependent on house prices only ever going up. I hope to god this sale doesn't go through because any public auditor worth their salt should be able to say

"Hmm house prices always going up - do you think that's a safe assumption right now?!"

Monday, January 21, 2008 08:16PM Report Comment
 

4. sovietuk said...

Strange - the day there are massive falls on the ftse, basket case Rock shares go up. Underlines what a sham and a sick shambles Browns' economy is.

Monday, January 21, 2008 08:33PM Report Comment
 

5. stillthinking said...

If, as many of you pundits propose, we face a 40% drop in asset values, and loan to value restrictions force sales, then the government is going to lose billions and make Lawson look like a successful businessman.
Really, I am amazed at how Labour could possibly have created such an appalling situation. House shortage, falling house prices, lack of infrastructure, PFI liabilities, gov. deficit, inflation (and possibly deflation as well later!), wages squeeze, failing public services, ever increasing taxation, sterling collapse..
And I haven't even finished. You have to say wow really.

Monday, January 21, 2008 08:40PM Report Comment
 

6. su said...

Thanks for the explanation, Paul.

Do we the taxpayers ever get to find out how Northern Rock spends our money?

Monday, January 21, 2008 08:42PM Report Comment
 

7. stillthinking said...

Also, idiot Brown hasn't considered the fact that given guarantees, there will be no point helping mortgage holders stay in their homes, the sooner you can punt them out, the sooner you can collect on your guarantee. Given sterling is going down, going for repossession and a quick sale as soon as possible will maximise profits.
So both taxpayer and mortgage holder lose.

Monday, January 21, 2008 08:47PM Report Comment
 

8. inbreda said...

That wouldn't half sting. Imagine being evicted from your own home by the bailifs, because you couldn't afford the mortgage, because taxes went up, in order to pay off The Hood and keep your mortgage company afloat, so they could evict you....

gutting.

Monday, January 21, 2008 09:29PM Report Comment
 

9. bystander said...

There is no mention in the above comments of the parasitic hedge funds who bought into the Crock after it went belly-up and then increased their stakes, to bully the board and government to cover their @rses if everything went wrong - didn't they demand a buyout at 400pence per share, after they had bought most of theirs for 80p, if the government continue this farce, then every single bank that is having difficulties should demand the same and should get the same in the future, UK PLC. will be well and truly bankrupt, then who will bail us out?. This plan will be like giving those them a huge pat on the back for their clever and aggressive capitalist approach. Nationalise and be damned, privatise and be damned. This is fast turning into a very black comedy.

Monday, January 21, 2008 09:52PM Report Comment
 

10. justwatching said...

but why exactly wasn't this failed business just allowed to go bust originally???

Monday, January 21, 2008 10:11PM Report Comment
 

11. wiltshire said...

I think our only hope is that enough people are paying attention to what is actually occuring in this country at the moment. I know there's a hell of a lot of OK readers and 'I'm A Celebrity....' viewers but there's also a lot who are a bit more interested in how the country is run. Liebour are going to be toast at the next election. It was so telling when the queues at Northern Rock basically ignored Alistair Darling's promises that their money was safe. This government loses more and more credibility with each passing day.

Tuesday, January 22, 2008 01:01AM Report Comment
 

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