Tuesday, Dec 11, 2007

104 page report

Trader view: Gold is money and nothing else”

Thesis: The biggest credit bubble in modern history is showing signs of unravelling in the US.
Debt/credit expansion brings forward consumption – it must either be purged in a deflationary
recession, or inflated away through currency debasement. Gold wins in either scenario and is
the “go to” asset along with basic commodities, like food and energy.

Posted by sold 2 rent 1 @ 08:49 PM (457 views) Add Comment

2 Comments

1. Root said...

Well, yes and no. Gold is just another precious metal that happens to have an extra dollop of sentimental value for most. If it went Very, Very Wrong then it would be next to useless anyway. At lest you can set fire to worthless bank notes to keep your bum warm unlike Gold which you'd just end up sat on (either physically or metaphorically speaking).
Gold, like all other precious metals/natural resources that can provide novel properties in industrialized manufacturing will eventually be consumed, all things being equal and assuming that they can't be rapidly recycled/synthesized.
The only true "long-term", "go-to" asset is land itself. Assuming it's away from an eroding coast line and say 10 meters above sea-level it's rather immutable and provides all else so long as you can maintain your assertion of ownership over it. Food, natural resources, rent, access to fresh water, housing, all of it requires land. Pretty indestructible (excluding really, really big bombs/irradiation) and certainly not going anywhere fast.
Anyway this is all veering towards becoming more "www.civilisationcrash.co.uk" rather than "www.housepricecrash.co.uk" which I suspect isn't quite here yet (hopefully ;^) ), what do people make of the stats in...

http://www.hbosplc.com/economy/includes/29.09.07ukhouseholdsectorwealthposition.doc

...as far as I make out the implication is that the average UK household has enough liquid assets to pay off nigh all debt? Obviously the word "average" is heavily loaded there but still, makes you think.

Tuesday, December 11, 2007 09:50PM Report Comment
 

2. drewster said...

Executive Summary: Gold is going to shoot up.
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It's a lengthy report. Main topics are dollar, gold, US economy, Kondratieff cycles. Here are some key points split into facts and opinions:

Facts:
- US debt/GDP ratio is nearly 350% (vs. the 270% peak in the Depression)
- The Federal Government’s accounts have not been signed off by its auditors for ten years (just like the EU accounts only bigger)
- Gold prices previously hit $850 in 1980, which is over $2000 when adjusted for CPI inflation
- Gold/Oil ratio has a long-run average of 1:16 but is currently at 1:9
- In 1933 President Roosevelt banned private ownership of gold; this was reversed in 1975.
- Gold price is rising not only against a falling US$, but also against traditionally safe currencies like the Swiss Franc and commodity-based currencies like the Australian Dollar.
- Five major asset classes have all risen in value since 2002 (real-estate, equities, bonds, commodities, and art)
- Bernanke is quoted on many occasions as being anti-deflation
- The average country holds 9% of its foreign reserves in gold; China only has 0.9% so lots of scope for it to buy more
- Many countries have already or are considering diversifying out of dollar reserves
- Hindu Indians have a religious attachment to gold; in the first half of 2007, consumer demand for gold surged 72% in India
- Gold mine output has been largely flat for the past 15 years
- The gold market is not as transparent as most other financial markets
- There are gold derivatives; gold can be bought and sold forward, swapped, and leased (avg. 0.25% interest)

Opinions (gold):
- Gold is the only asset to outperform in periods of either uncontrollable inflation or deflation
- The majority of investors are still not taking gold seriously as an asset class.
- Peter Hambro Mining is a good gold-mining stock to own (warning: do your own research too!)
- It is difficult to model supply and demand of gold, because much trading is hidden
- Central banks claim to hold a lot of gold, but in reality much of it is leased or swapped out - just like fractional reserve banking
- 25-50% of central bank gold is out on loan. This keeps the price down.
- Only physical gold bullion is safe; ETFs and other unallocated instruments are at risk in the event of financial collapse

Opinions (inflation):
- Greenspan delayed a K-winter deflationary recession when he slashed interest rates in 2001
- The US government deliberately misleads inflation expectations by fiddling the CPI and hiding M3 money supply
- The US government deliberately keeps gold prices low to flatter the dollar and the CPI; there are suspicious movements in the price which bear this out
- Devaluing the dollar amounts to a hidden tax on foreign holders of dollars
- The US government is broke and will have to print dollars to pay its bills
- The US govt will use inflation to reduce debts
- If inflation reaches a certain critical point, nobody will want paper money any more and there will be a crazed rush to buy real goods and assets
- BRIC and OPEC countries intend to further diversify their reserves out of dollars and into gold

Opinion (economy):
- A US banking crisis is likely to erupt
- If the US economy sinks they will have to withdraw troops from Iraq and Afghanistan
- Russia and China will become the new superpowers, the USA will decline in power

Disclaimer: Although supposedly professionally researched, many of these points belong in the realm of opinion rather than fact. Never invest more than you can afford to lose. If you've spent years saving up a deposit for a house then think carefully before gambling it in the financial markets.

Tuesday, December 11, 2007 11:44PM Report Comment
 

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