Wednesday, Nov 21, 2007
Are we seeing tech advancement to change our lives
The Telegraph: Surfer dude stuns physicists with theory of everything
"It may even be possible to test his theory, which predicts a host of new particles, perhaps even using the new Large Hadron Collider atom smasher that will go into action near Geneva next year."
Posted by sold 2 rent 1 @ 08:37 AM (672 views) Add Comment
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1. tyrellcorporation said...
No, what we're seeing is the result of 6 hours with some dope and a Spirograph!
2. sold 2 rent 1 said...
What has this to do with HPC I hear you say?
Maybe more than you think.
This is "off the cuff" so here goes.
I just watched a "Mayan Calendar" video (3 hours - 2 parts) and it was very thought provoking.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8689261981090121097&q=mayan+calendar+north&total=14&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-567329528148516232&q=mayan+calendar+north&total=14&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2
In summary it is all about the "Evolution of Consciousness" from the big-bang to 2012 when the Earth will have finished its creation process. The creation process has always been accelerating and is now in its final blow-off period. This is characterised by combined huge technological advancements along with massive destruction that all occur in such a short space of time.
Normally this kind of thinking would be ignored by myself as the evidence can be just "made to fit" the theory.
The problem I have with just discarding the "Evolution of Consciousness" is that there is just too much overlap with my own understandings of the k-wave theory and long term debt cycles.
These similarities are:
1. The planetary cycle (1755-2012) which is based on power (of banks and governments) fits the 4 waves of the k-cycle. Before the 1700s there really was no business cycle at all.
2. My forecasts (based on k-theory and 200 years of stock market history) suggest a bottom of the market in 2012
3. Debt levels are much higher than the 1930s and the problem is worldwide, not just US focussed. This suggests an economic depression at least as big as 1930s.
4. The 18 year secular cycles that can be seen in stocks, property, oil and gold maps closely with the 19.6 year cycles of the Mayan Calendar.
Back to the article of the “theory of everything”
If the understanding of the inner workings of E8 helps physicists in their quest for a unified theory; and they are able to test the theory in the next year or 2 in the Large Hadron Collider, then are we watching the Mayan Calendar play out.
Food for thought.
3. Lierbag said...
2012? . . . Hmmm, maybe the Mayans were on to (if not just on) something.
This from the Wall St Journal (19/11/2007):
'A growing number of oil-industry chieftains are endorsing an idea long deemed fringe: The world is approaching a practical limit to the number of barrels of crude oil that can be pumped every day.
Some predict that, despite the world's fast-growing thirst for oil, producers could hit that ceiling as soon as 2012. This rough limit -- which two senior industry officials recently pegged at about 100 million barrels a day -- is well short of global demand projections over the next few decades. Current production is about 85 million barrels a day.'
4. tyrellcorporation said...
S2R...put down that pipe and walk away from the internet!!!
5. Happy Mondays said...
Beyond 2012 a book by geoff stray makes an interesting read, about the similarities between the maya long count calender and other world theories about the predicted on coming events of 2012.. Apparently we are entering the stage of evolutional growth ( the maya worked out that this happens every 2600 yrs) which goes beyond money and the trivilaties it brings us ..Sounds like bliss to me. Now where's my pipe !
6. sold 2 rent 1 said...
tyrellcorporation,
It may sound like I have lost the plot - but I am NOT a full subscriber of the "Mayan Calendar" ideas yet.
The video is very thought provoking and not what I expected.
All I am saying is that if by early 2011 we are in a second great depression and the Large Hadron Collider has solved the unified theory then this is what the "Mayan Calendar" is all about.
The probability of this happening is still very low but it is not zero.
7. Bearorbull said...
I'm sticking to the 'time is an amebious vortex' theory.
8. Marmar said...
That's my brother your talking about and I happen to know he's not hitting the pipe.
9. drewster said...
s2r1, you've made some brilliant posts in the past, but with this one you're way off the mark. People have been predicting the end of time since time began, and it hasn't happened. Nor will it happen. Yes we're living through a period of rapid technological progress and resource consumption, but the same could have been said during the bronze age ("Captain caveman, that bronze spear you've forged is a remarkable advance in weapons technology, it's a shame you had to chop down so many trees for firewood to melt the metal").
1. The planetary cycle is about as relevant as my horoscope.
2. Kondratieff waves are an interesting theory; but there is some evidence that we might enter another Great Depression even without using K-waves. As a theory it's fairly useless: it has no logical basis, it isn't verifiable (except after the fact), and it doesn't provide any useful predictions. It's a bit like Nostradamus.
3. Debt levels are higher which means they are an unknown factor. There could be a range of outcomes from continuing debt growth to simple recession, to depression, to all-out war.
4. The 18 year business cycle matches a lot of things, not just the Mayan calendar. My guess is that it relates to the waves of births in the post-war baby boom.
The Mayan calendar stuff is about as convincing as the Second Coming.
10. Rentinginthesouth said...
I'm with S2R... I'm currently reading abook on 2012 that is grounded on the Mayan calendar and includes other theories, such as phi (the 1.6 or something universal number) and exponential curves of knowledge all pointing to 2012.. some very interesting reading... but I like the sound of the dope / spirograph idea later. ;)
11. Einstein said...
The intellect required to approach such a problem of a "cosmic" order of magnitude really puts the whole house price debacle into some perspective.
There are some great posts on HPC but please avoid making ad hominem remarks - it detracts from the quality and standing of the site.
12. george monsoon said...
Drewster, about that second coming?
I'm here already... lol
13. handle_it said...
Yer I tend to believe that there is no ticking clock. No end of days other than the sun dying which of course is perfectly natural and not to be feared.However, reality is an illusion of sorts, but don't mess your head up thinking about it, would be my advice. Just enjoy the short time we have here and let the boffins work out the maths..... Thanks for sharing your thoughts tho....
14. Stevie Dee said...
Really interesting topic, don't want to confess to being a nut (eccentric maybe), but I feel the same about astrology, would be intriguing to hear what or how a group of astrologers view these dates or this period in order to see whether their general predictions correlate with what is being predicted with the Mayan predictions in relation to everything financial, etc, etc.
I will watch these documentaries with interest. Thank you.
15. Tangara said...
S2R1 : Bravo !!! it's definitively linked with HPC...
==> This kind of guy will imagine the next generation of CDO, SIV ARM and the likes... :) everything is cyclic !!! :)
16. sold 2 rent 1 said...
I knew I would get lambasted for posting this.
For the record, I don't believe the world will end in 2011.
And for anyone who watched the video (as it is 3 hours I can't see how anyone did), neither does the Mayan Calendar.
It is supposedly predicting that the creation of the Earth is complete and that things have been getting steadily better.
Maybe the definition of "complete" is the discovery and testing of the "unified theory"?
I was merely stating that it is a coincidence that my conclusions from 200 years of economic analysis seem to agree with the final outcome of the Mayan Calendar.
This coincidence alone is no big deal but when you add in the discovery of the inner workings of E8 and the chance of testing a unified theory in the Large Hadron Collider next year things get more interesting.
17. george monsoon said...
I don't think we have reached the climax of economic growth? we just need a good war / famine / depression to give it a good ol kick start..!
18. drewster said...
George, we just need a good war? Is your last name "Bush" by any chance? ;-)
We might actually be reaching the climax of economic growth. It depends largely on peak oil. There are three broad camps:
1) Oil isn't running out, stop scare-mongering;
2) Oil will run out but we'll find something else to replace it;
3) Oil is running out, the economy is screwed and we're all doomed.
The third camp is growing. There's an excellent new film "A Crude Awakening" out now at your local independent cinema, I recommend it to everyone.
One barrel of oil provides 25000 man-hours of labour. By extracting and using more oil every year, the world economy has kept growing for the last hundred years. If peak oil hits and oil production declines, the world economy will almost certainly decline too. Alternatively some amazing new technology might come to the rescue and replace oil. Place your bets now!
19. george monsoon said...
I do get taken out of context quite a lot in here. Must be my twisted northern sense of humour.
Necessity is the mother of all invention, but necessity will only come about because we are all in deep sh*! So I would lean towards Camp 2, but only if the third school of thought had become reality already. A possible trigger would be a war, causing a lot of economic hardship for everyone.
The biggest solution has to be Electricity, - public transport using electricity and better, more efficient batteries for electric cars.
If we can remove the need to burn fossil fuels in land vehicles, and go "nuclear" with our electricity needs, which is very controvertial, but givne the choice of no electricity and a very, very slim chance of a meltdown, i would wear my sellafield badge with pride.
God knows how we would solve the problem with Air traffic, unless the scram jet technology "takes off" commercially (sorry!)