Wednesday, Sep 19, 2007
chief constable has demanded more staff for her force to help cope with the effect on crime of the rise in migrant workers.
Telegraph: Police chief warns of migrant crime impact
There is also a problem with "feuds" between foreign nationals being brought across to the UK, Mrs Spence told BBC Radio 4.
We recently had a murder and it was a Lithuanian on Lithuanian and it could easily have happened in Lithuania.
"But it didn't, it happened in Wisbech, so one of my staff spent a lot of their time in Lithuania trying to get underneath what was actually happening with the crime and criminality, which brings costs that you wouldn't have had before, which means something else has to give."
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1. inbreda said...
Thanks Chris - does this mean that house prices are going to go up or down?
2. mrmickey said...
Yes I thought discussing immigration was now illegal unless you had a signed E115/C from the ministry of truth.
3. dohousescrashinthewoods said...
It means the Daily Mail will be missing the point and having paroxysms for weeks and won't be reporting on the economy so that general chavs (sorry, middle-class-wish-they-were "readers" of sensationalist, racist, far-right rags) will forget everything.
Other than that, it highlights the demise of the UK as a civilised and ordered society.
I can see the DM article now: "If we have more of this, there will be less immigrants, so house prices will fall".
4. Scott said...
Discussing immigration is perfectly legal unless you use the words Muslim or Islamification.
5. cyril said...
If we had no immigrants, the UK would virtually grind to a halt. The problem is, the GDP per capita doesn't go up so there is no improvement really. It just allows more people to lounge about while someone else does the work.
6. shipbuilder said...
Despite what the right-wing whingers and dreamers may believe, we cannot have things both ways in this country – a truly global free-market style economy and ‘closing the doors’ on immigration are mutually exclusive. There is no compromise in between that will suit everyone – cessation of immigration will lead business chiefs to ‘offshore’ to maintain all-important profits (imagining that big business has ANY loyalty to community or country is laughable). On the other hand, any level of immigration will lead to the predictable “they’re taking our jobs” nonsense.
The reality is that big business wins either way and therefore their puppet governments will do nothing to change the status quo. UK-owned and based wealth-creating business (as opposed to financial services) has disappeared, leaving us pathetically cowed and subservient to the global corporations – “we’ll do whatever you want, work whatever hours, take whatever pay, just don’t take our jobs away”.
We need to make a choice – any ideas?
7. uncle chris said...
You know when I was a child - which was not actually that long ago as I'm still in my 30's, we use to spend most of our summer in the fields picking potatoes, strawberries, helping with the wheat harvest etc. No only did it help me towards buying my first bike/tent/stereo etc., but it kept me occupied and entertained through the summer when I got to meet other local children doing the same thing. Why do we now need cheap foreign labour (I'm sure not all are involved in crime) from overseas when we have kids sitting on their fat backsides in front of the playstation complaining about being bored, or out on the streets causing mayhem. I wish I knew when it all went wrong, or perhaps I lived an unusual childhood.
8. inbreda said...
Still don't think this article should have been posted - it has next to nothing to do with HPC
9. uncle chris said...
Inbreda, I don't want to re-run past discussions on immigration that we've had, but I (like the other Chris who posted) believe immigration has had a significant impact on house prices - especially in my local area. So it could be argued that focussing on the negative aspects of mass immigration has as much relevance to HPC as posts on financial dealings and fluctuations in far-flung places like China. Right - back to work .... shhhhh
10. inbreda said...
If the article was talking about increased or reduced migration then you are right, it would be relevant.
But it isn't.
11. dbnazz1 said...
Immigration is a big part of the demand side of the equation for supply and demand theory on house prices. It should be debated but in the context of HPI. The person who posted the article should have made the link between HPI and immigration.
12. cyril said...
Chris's post is a bit irrelevant to house prices, but it does remind us of the real economy, not the ivory towrs of the finance world.
Uncle Chris's post reminds us that the knowledge economy, on which the house of cards is built, is a load of cobblers. There are plenty of low tech jobs around in Britain, the same as there always have been.
13. Robert Mugabe said...
Kids dont need to work for their money anymore. Their parents simply max out their credit cards and give them consumer itmes...
Simple. Then Prime Minister (Crash Gordon) Brown Unelect pays the bill.......
14. Drewster said...
Yes it's irrelevant to house prices, but....
Uncle Chris: I'm in my late 20s and I too have fond memories of helping out with the harvest as a child. I say "fond", but memories are selective: in reality I probably couldn't wait to get home and watch cartoons. Getting fat kids of their backsides by helping in the farm sector would be a great idea though. Maybe Jamie Oliver can pick up on it, he's always banging on about how kids don't know that burgers come from cows. These days the guilt-ridden middle-classes can actually pay to help with the harvest, look up "farmstay" in your favourite search engine.
15. su said...
Uncle Chris. Unfortunately your childhood days were very different to now. I think you may find that nowadays there are legal restrictions on child labour. I think a child has to be over 13 years and they are limited to a certain number of hours each day, which increase as they get older. Immigration gets blamed for a lot of things which are actually more to do with legal changes in our society.
The one issue I can think of where this news item is relevant to house prices is that of sudden criminal activity causing a lowering of house prices. Those who can afford to do so may well move out of the area, changing the social mix and therefore the desirability and price of the neigbourhood.
16. su said...
I've just thought of another link between this article and house prices.
If the treasury has to fund enough officers to turn the country into a police state, plus all the extra air miles they have to do (and oil is rising isn't it?) then where is the money coming from? Maybe they'll reduce the amount they would have used to bail out the banks! If the banks aren't bailed out, then surely that will have an effect on house prices, won't it?
17. Scottow said...
Silly question but if the Polish / Lithuanians are causing so much crime why don't the Cambridge police 1. get someone (try Cambridge University ) to teach them the relevant languages 2. lliaise with the Polish / Lithuanian police 3. if this fails just get the Mets to come up with some high - powered cars and Uzis. I just think this is more public servants coming up with ways to rip the taxpayer off. PS My local paper has details of an armed gang terrorising West Norfolk / North Cambridgeshire -no details of the police response. Perhaps they're all nicking the Poles for riding bikes on the pavement.PS Good point about kids doing work - I think it's time to start repatriating immigrants generally.