Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007
So you've identifed the problem now try and execute the solution
Firstrung: New report outlines what must be done to end affordable housing crisis
The National Housing Federation and Shelter are calling on incoming prime minister Gordon Brown to commit to building 20,000 extra social rented homes each year to tackle the country's critical affordable housing shortage...
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1. Boarder said...
No way.
These homes are bribes for likely Labour voters.
2. wage slave said...
If there's 1.6 million on the housing list it'll take more than an extra 20,000 houses a year to make a difference.
3. speculatorone said...
GB was on tv this morning spouting same old crap. In my eyes we need to stop being a free 'world' NHS/housing service and support only those who pay into the system. That would soon free up resources.
4. george monsoon said...
I think the headline should read.. "So you've identifed the problem now try and execute the perpetrator!"
5. paul said...
very good george. I have a simpler solution - raise rates (after all low rates was what created the problem).
6. Scott said...
I have a better solution - no more immigrants and send the bad ones back. Have you been to Dagenham lately, it's like Basra!
7. Wario said...
twenty-thou. social rented sector gaffs = twenty-thou. homes instantly filled by those on the social.
All them pregnant chavettes and shoplifters, breeding full-bore, that seem to get folk so worked up round here.
Back to square one in the blink of an eye, having spunked away a shed-load of money gouged out of the fools that work. And can't afford housing.
Is the only way forward going to be to rip up all planning legislation and just let people build whatever they can, on whatever land they can get hold of?
8. inbreda said...
speculatorone,
I do hope you don't give birth to an invalid kid because, not having had time to pay into the system, it would be a shame to see the little tyke starving to death on the pavement.
Be careful what you wish for, eh.
9. george monsoon said...
Royston posted on a similar blog with the ultimate answer.
Tax the HELL out of second homeowners.
10. harold said...
Paul's solution is right - all this "we must build more houses" nonsense is just emotional blackmail from developers hoping to get their hands on green-belt land. As soon as prices start to fall the call to build more houses will quickly fade away.
Scott, I have a better solution - send racists to Basra.
11. The Capitalist said...
harold - to have a robust immigration policy (Oz, America, Germany etc) is to be racist? Don't be so daft.
12. mrmickey said...
Let's face it the welfare state will bankrupt this country and Europe there are just to many takers and not enough contibutors it's as simple as that. This country has two options either continue to flood the country with young immigrants to pay future welfare bills or close down the welfare state simple as that. We all love our free state hand outs so i'd get used to more immigrants and social unrest.
13. george monsoon said...
Jeesus why are they even bothering!!!! the market is going to crash. No matter what anyone does to try to stop it. Its already begun and the house crash will be the tip of a much bigger economic iceberg. We are in dire sh**, all of us and this is because politicians and bankers put personal short term interest above the wellbeing of the country economy.
This farce has been allowed to roll way beyond the control of the government or banks or EA's ... Its too late, the eleventh hour came and went about 2 years ago. Now we are on borrowed time and its going to affect each and every person, not just here but anywhere in the developed world. Once China goes bang, America will follow, Britain, most of Europe, Japan, India...etc.. I think now would be a good idea to bag any cash you have and stuff it under the matress.
I predict a massive crash on the global stock market, the likes of which has never been seen before. I can see banks desperately trying to claw back money from the increasing number of bad debts.. Intervention by the government with huge interest rates to prop up the failing pound, runs on the banks when news gets out about how shakey their future looks.
More and more companies going bust, huge unemployment which will burden the welfare state to the point of collapse.
Yes, I do believe this will happen, I don't want it to happen, but wake up and smell the coffee..!!
I wish I could have my two minutes on question time. I would be in all the papers after throwing red paint all over the panel.
14. inbreda said...
I love all the racists on here. They hate the 'haves' - those with BTL property, the immigrants, the 'have-not dolites', chavs, pregnant teenagers, anyone who doesn't like their taste in music, anyone who has used the NHS without paying up front.......the list goes on and on.
Get a life guys. If you don't like it F-off. But please stop whingeing that you're so hard done by and the world should actually owe you a living. It's pathetic.
15. waitingfor hpc said...
i hate it when ignorant people throw the term 'racist' around.
16. speculatorone said...
inbreda
This government need to stop taxing mr/mrs average to death because they are easy targets and pay all their bills. This is because they cannot get their act together and sort out all the sponger's in this country.
I think that's what we are whinging about. We are not racists.
17. Kiribil said...
inbreda - I agree with you, I've been reading comments on this site for some weeks and sometimes a latent racism is palpable. I am a spanish professional living in London for about 5 years, and I am a net tax payer, in fact I think I've only used the NHS for one GP visit. Otherwise, I work hard, I am good neighbour, volunteer in a school in a deprived area, recycle everything , blah blah.
What about all these britons that retire to Spain and France in their old age and enjoy much better health services that they never paid for? They don't even bother learning the local language and make the housing market unaffordable for the local people.
Get some perspective...
18. Hard Cheese said...
Racists? The word is used to easily and frequently only for the user to be targetted for giving there opinion on how they see and feel about a certain issue.
In many cases it is used as a smoke screen by those who abuse our servises.
Nobody needs to get a life, our services are being abused, in any case, it is your human right to draw on all the services that this Country can offer, to be honest you would be a fool not too.
To have a difference of opinion to the UK policy does not brand you a racist.
The culprit here is the UK goverment. I only have to pop out of the office in the town centre where I work to see that I am a forigner in my own country. These people have to be housed. Most of them don't work as they wouldn't be walking the streets. Maybe I don't like it, but the end of the day I know that I earn a excellent salary, I pay my taxes, I have a good NHS and I love this country. Just don't like it being abused. Doesn't make me a racist though.
Regarding a HPC, I am not so sure. Petrol is hitting £1 / litre and there is no sign of a slow down in people using it. There is a lot of money out there, this money can absorb an awful lot of price rises, be it fuel, gas, electric, council tax or mortgage. Just go down to your local restaurants, always packed by people of all ages spending money.
Sorry I blaim this labour goverment.And it will do everything to stop a HPC.
19. Rimmer said...
Inbreda
If i had 5p for every time in my life i have been told if i dont like it F**k off.
Problem is thats a totally biased view and i might just be right in my views as you may be in yours, two things are for sure, firstly we have a government that has forgotten what "Democracy" means and will not take the views of the majority as abiding any more, secondly we simply CANNOT take any more people into the UK,
I find the view that we need to build on the land of my fathers to "House Everyone" absolutely unaccepatble while we have 5 million visiters, at what point do you stop, maybe when all the land is gone and we have imported 2/3 of europe?, TB and GB will be long gone when unemployment is at 15% and civil disorder runs wild.
There is nothing "RACIST" about protection your way of life, 20 million people die to do just that 50 years ago.
20. Scott said...
Racist is a term coined by Leon Trotsky for the Soviet Revolution to stop people addressing specific issues. He used it then, some of your fools use it now.
21. sovietuk said...
Not content with p*ssing off most people in this country this stupid government has now upset virtually every person in the Islamic world with it's ridiculous honours system. New Liebour are fast becoming the most hated entity on the planet.
22. shipbuilder said...
Anyone who really believes that immigration is the cause of all this countries' woes and 'overloads' the NHS and welfare services is a naive, ill-informed idiot, pure and simple.
We contstantly argue on here that there is no 'supply and demand' issue, otherwise rents would be going up - overcrowding arguement gone. Unemployment is at an historic low - millions of benefits go unclaimed - 'welfare overload' arguement gone.
So easy to throw numbers about when the vast majority of immigrants are economically active (cutting your 'millions of scroungers' down to miniscule levels) and also helping to boost companies' profits and upping those all-important share values. Typical right-wing selfishness and hypocrisy - you can't have you're lauded free market and capitalist utopia and keep England for the English. The right-wing mantra - 'everything's good just as long as it's good for me'.
Oh and if you make generalisations about a specific group of people because they look different from you (Dagenham looking like Basra) without any knowledge of where those people were born or what they do - that's pretty much racism.
23. shipbuilder said...
Incredible to see many normally so well-informed on economic matters suckered in by the arguments of the far right, those vile bunch of knuckle-draggers and absolute traitors to the legacy of freedom and equality that our fathers and grandfathers fought wars for. We are all immigrants from somewhere and Britain's history of economic rape of the colonies isn't a great one - perhaps it's time that our we used our generations of privilege to help those fellow humans less fortunate by accident of birth.
24. Rimmer said...
Shipbuilder
Well said but not entirely true, can you really say the english born youth of today would not be better off now if the UK had restricted immigration? i think not.
Could you not also say that rents might be "Drastically"coming down were it not for immigration?
As for racism and previous comments i have long said its only a matter of time before Etta wise up and kick the brits out to protect spanish heritage, i dont condone that but i know well how the world works.
Please tell me how immigration cuts down on scroungers, i know personally of at least three polish families in the UK claiming benifits
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"also helping to boost companies' profits and upping those all-important share values"
And that helps me personally and the UK overall how? unless of course you naively imagine company profits somehow benifit other than the privaledged few.
Maybe its politically incorrect nowadays to tell the truth but if it means protecting a way of life that you call your own and always want to then racism it is and so be it.
25. Rimmer said...
Shipbuilder
I am not an immigrant from anywhere..................thank you, however i understand i think what you are saying, my comment is that if you just blindly allow migrants into the UK and build houses on any scrap of ground to suit sooner or later the structure of the country cant cope, thats a fact not an idea, the UK CANNOT and i repeat CANNOT have unlimited immigration.
If you want to know why i have these views its because i have two children and i want then to be able to have a life in the UK, is that too much to ask i hope not? do i think building endless amounts of houses will help? well not if you invite the rest of the world to come and live in them once you have them build no i dont.
26. Boz said...
Hats off to Inbreda and Shipbuilder. Spot on the pair of you.
I, along with several friends, come from abroad. We all work hard and none of us use public funds or the NHS. I am the lowest earner in the group and I paid a few tens of thousands in taxes last year. I am completely comfortable with the idea of my tax being used to support say a Polish cleaner who has four children whom he is trying to put though school.
People need to realise we are all human and just becasue someone crossed a border to get here doesn't mean they can't be of value to the economy and the country as a whole.
27. shipbuilder said...
Rimmer
Some of the points you questioned were meant sarcastically on my part - my main point was that I believe immigration is a red herring, ironically focused on by the right when the root cause for a failing welfare system and NHS is massive mismanagement of public money by an incompetent government. Of course unlimited immigration is not realistic, but my concern is that at the moment the level of increased immigration not actually a problem if you research the numbers.
There is a perceived problem - the number of 'foreign' faces in the streets has increased and is used by the far right as a target for the UK's ills - I think it is foolish to buy into this.
It would also be foolish to rely on a few 'word of mouth' reports of asylum seekers on benefits etc., when informing an opinion on the matter.
The FACT is that the vast majority of immigrants in the UK contribute financially to the country - this has been promoted by companies keen to see their wage bill decrease, and who are increasing profits as a result - I agree with you that this doesn't benefit anyone (my comment about all-important shares was sarcastic) but the priveleged few.
Yet those on the right laud the free market that this is a direct result of - my other point is that you can't have it both ways.
To sum up my rambling posts - The real enemies here are government incompetence - their idiotic schemes to run public services like private business - in thrall to the multinationals who have their own profits as number one and no social conscience.
Slave-driving CEOs and City leeches are the only ones benefitting in this 'economic miracle' and when the press they control dangle the immigration question in front of the masses, they swallow it like idiots. It's the classic ploy of setting the people against each other - creating a false enemy so that those at the top get away scot free. 'Terrorism', 'dole-scroungers' - the sacrificial lambs rolled out by the powers at be to deflect attention from their real agenda.
Wake up - how can people on here shred every utterance from a financier EA or journalist, yet swallow this crap without question or research?