QUOTE (jac @ Oct 12 2008, 07:17 PM)

i'm particularly interested in the hbos/lloyds situation
You and me, too. If Lloyds go, there's only HSBC left as a credible provider of business banking accounts. Both RBS and Barclays are clearly in trouble... both seem to have over-stretched themselves in spectacular acquisitions and expansion over the last decade.
In my opinion, HBOS have already fallen - and are temporarily defying gravity only with the concerted intervention of government. I think that the 'short selling' malarkey was all a cover-up to keep HBOS' share price from highlighting the problems in such a way that they can't be ignored. I think the deal with Lloyds and Brown is one that stinks. While we are lead to believe that Lloyds is one of the stronger banks, it seems preposterous to agree to buy a massive liability of unquantified risk profile on a whim at Brown's request... unless, of course, Lloyds knew they would soon be insolvent without government support anyway.