Financial Planner
Jun 30 2008, 12:10 PM
Nationwide stats (I know them but embargoed...) and comment from moi
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Thucydides
Jun 30 2008, 12:13 PM
QUOTE (Financial Planner @ Jun 30 2008, 01:10 PM)

Nationwide stats (I know them but embargoed...) and comment from moi
Thanks FP, I'll watch with a cup of tea, I should think. Rooibos, probably.
tigsrenting
Jun 30 2008, 12:26 PM
Good luck FP. Can't wait to see you telling Declan how it really is.
pete.hpc
Jun 30 2008, 12:28 PM
QUOTE (Financial Planner @ Jun 30 2008, 01:10 PM)

Nationwide stats (I know them but embargoed...) and comment from moi
I think its safe to have a guess at what they might be indicating then if they asked you to go on
Paddles
Jun 30 2008, 12:28 PM
QUOTE (Financial Planner @ Jun 30 2008, 01:10 PM)

Nationwide stats (I know them but embargoed...) and comment from moi
This will be a good one!
Will Melanie Bien be there again? She was cannon fodder last time you two met on TV.
Prof
Jun 30 2008, 12:28 PM
I know you can`t say, but I hope the figures are so bad that you hardly have to say a word !
(Not that I dislike hearing you on national TV, FP !).
PhoneyMcRingRing
Jun 30 2008, 12:28 PM
I am gonna watch it with a coffee, no South African tea for me.
I think it will be a great result for us. Possibly -10% yoy, those last few summer boom months in the figures are slipping away.
FP, If Declan says that all this is bad for first time buyers (as is the media line) tell him I will be putting my foot through the TV and sending him the bill!
Phone
JohnnyB
Jun 30 2008, 12:43 PM
Will be up bright and early for it. Weren't these figures supposed to have come out last Friday though???
twatmangle
Jun 30 2008, 12:53 PM
QUOTE (Financial Planner @ Jun 30 2008, 01:10 PM)

Nationwide stats (I know them but embargoed...) and comment from moi
I'm going on holiday tomorrow, could you let me know now?
Khayl
Jun 30 2008, 01:20 PM
If the figures are anywhere near as bad as last months, I would expect Declan to be really annoyed and blaming the likes of you and all on HPC.co.uk for "talking down the market". The 'doom-monger' argument.
If accused of this, maybe a good reply would be "Well the media weren't afraid of 'talking up' the market for over a decade with property porn shows etc... Maybe if they hadn't done that we wouldn't be in this mess. And besides this market doesn't need talking down, it's doing it all by itself."
But if you do say that, get ready to duck when Declan throws his clipboard at you.
Good luck and good work!
The Last Bear
Jun 30 2008, 01:23 PM
QUOTE (PhoneyMcRingRing @ Jun 30 2008, 01:28 PM)

I am gonna watch it with a coffee, no South African tea for me.
quite agree with you, we should refuse to buy any products from all countries that support mugabe, maybe then they'll stop their hero worship of him and take notice at this outrage
The Last Bear
Jun 30 2008, 01:25 PM
QUOTE (Khayl @ Jun 30 2008, 02:20 PM)

If the figures are anywhere near as bad as last months, I would expect Declan to be really annoyed and blaming the likes of you and all on HPC.co.uk for "talking down the market". The 'doom-monger' argument.
If accused of this, maybe a good reply would be "Well the media weren't afraid of 'talking up' the market for over a decade with property porn shows etc... Maybe if they hadn't done that we wouldn't be in this mess. And besides this market doesn't need talking down, it's doing it all by itself."
But if you do say that, get ready to duck when Declan throws his clipboard at you.
Good luck and good work!
declan's generally only interested in hot air ballooning and cakes, in that order (obviously has to be in that order)
Paddles
Jun 30 2008, 01:34 PM
I think it's time for a new tactic from you now, FP; anyone with half a brain must surely know now that the crash is very much locked and loaded (borrowing figures tell us that).
Rather than repeat the true but already stated facts about how screwed the market is, I reckon you should capitalise on the credibility they now realise you have. Tomorrow morning I dare you, in fact I double dare you to say;
"but these figures are no surprise to Fionaula; a simple trend analysis of her company's published data in March would have told her that today's figures were to be expected. However, if she had admitted this at the time the Nationwide would have had to write down their asset book further, which is why their predictions should always be taken with a pinch of salt in a falling market"
Go on, scaredy cat!
The Masked Tulip
Jun 30 2008, 01:37 PM
You probably will only have the chance for 1, perhaps 2, soundbites so rehearse a couple of 5 or 10 seconds phrases on points that you wish to get across and then, like all politicians and celebs, just say them no matter what question you are asked.
Personally, I would used "Doomed! We're all doomed! Well, not me because I sold to rent but all you greedy so and sos... Doomed! You're all doomed!" (Practice your best Private Fraiser accent.)
And then quickly add that you new book on surving in a credit crunch will shortly be out in W. H. Smith for £4.99
Best of luck.
moosetea
Jun 30 2008, 01:39 PM
QUOTE (Thucydides @ Jun 30 2008, 01:13 PM)

Thanks FP, I'll watch with a cup of tea, I should think. Rooibos, probably.
Ohh, i think Ill brew a red one up now, fancy one?
we the sheeple
Jun 30 2008, 01:53 PM
FP, in a couple of months they'll wheel you in for the bullish point of view .... only -35%
Financial Planner
Jun 30 2008, 02:29 PM
QUOTE (Paddles @ Jun 30 2008, 02:34 PM)

Go on, scaredy cat!
Miaow...
Paddles
Jun 30 2008, 02:33 PM
QUOTE (Financial Planner @ Jun 30 2008, 03:29 PM)

Miaow...

Go on, you know you want to. You must be missing the smell of cordite and rush of battle since the last mission at the Estate Agents' conference.
OLDFTB
Jun 30 2008, 03:11 PM
QUOTE (twatmangle @ Jun 30 2008, 01:53 PM)

I'm going on holiday tomorrow, could you let me know now?
I can make up some figures now if that will help?
Little Professor
Jun 30 2008, 03:14 PM
Go FP! Make 'em weep.
Bosh
Jun 30 2008, 03:22 PM
Give us a secret nod FP
Tap the desk twice just before your killer quote, if no desk tap Declans head really hard twice with your foot. This will be our little secret.
sshhh
Paddles
Jun 30 2008, 03:24 PM
QUOTE (Bosh @ Jun 30 2008, 04:22 PM)

Give us a secret nod FP
Tap the desk twice just before your killer quote, if no desk tap Declans head really hard twice with your foot. This will be our little secret.
sshhh

Mike Catt always used to touch his left ear during the national anthem when he played for England to say hi to the rellies in erm, South Africa.
Maybe FP can do the same.
Bosh
Jun 30 2008, 03:28 PM
QUOTE (Paddles @ Jun 30 2008, 04:24 PM)

Mike Catt always used to touch his left ear during the national anthem when he played for England to say hi to the rellies in erm, South Africa.
Maybe FP can do the same.
Shows the difference between rugby and football, I say kick someone in the head and you say rub your ear.
Worrying really
CharlieChuck
Jun 30 2008, 03:32 PM
QUOTE (Financial Planner @ Jun 30 2008, 01:10 PM)

Nationwide stats (I know them but embargoed...) and comment from moi
If you tell me what they are, I promise I won't say anything to anyone.
Best of luck, please try hard to catch Declan out or make him look stupid.
JohnnyB
Jun 30 2008, 03:35 PM
Damn, I just realised got an early 9.00 meeting in the City tomorrow and will have to leave by 7.30. Do they put that stuff on BBC iplayer? If not could someone screen-cap and youtube it?
thermo
Jun 30 2008, 03:44 PM
QUOTE (Financial Planner @ Jun 30 2008, 01:10 PM)

Nationwide stats (I know them but embargoed...) and comment from moi
Someone mentioned that the NW figures would be "BAD BAD BAD", without saying what the figure would be... Looks like they were correct....
Paddles
Jun 30 2008, 03:48 PM
QUOTE (Bosh @ Jun 30 2008, 04:28 PM)

Shows the difference between rugby and football, I say kick someone in the head and you say rub your ear.
Worrying really

Yeah, fair point. Wendyballers are way tougher; what with all those snipers in the stadium shooting at them. I reckon I saw at least 5 players get hit by bullets in the Euro final last night, I hope they survive.
OLDFTB
Jun 30 2008, 03:54 PM
QUOTE (Paddles @ Jun 30 2008, 04:48 PM)

Yeah, fair point. Wendyballers are way tougher; what with all those snipers in the stadium shooting at them. I reckon I saw at least 5 players get hit by bullets in the Euro final last night, I hope they survive.
You can take the mick Paddles but have you ever been lightly brushed on the face by another footballers fingers?
Well, it bloody hurts i sh*t you not!
sbn
Jun 30 2008, 04:11 PM
It seems pretty clear that the figures are going to be ugly and that they have got FP on for this reason. But watch out FB, they will be looking for you to gloat in a smug way
"i got it right - wasn't I clever" sort of response. They will be trying to make you (& the rest of us) out as a scapegoat for all of this with our "missed-the-boat, doom-mongering, talking down the market etc"
At some point he's going to ask
"what have you got to say to all those hardworking families who will be ruined by the coming-to-pass of your HPC prophesy?"
At this point, the following line comes to mind....
"They are a product of your profession Declan, not mine!"
(apologies to Dalton Trumbo)
Cue Hammet solo and lots of headbanging
Khayl
Jun 30 2008, 04:34 PM
QUOTE (sbn @ Jun 30 2008, 05:11 PM)

It seems pretty clear that the figures are going to be ugly and that they have got FP on for this reason. But watch out FB, they will be looking for you to gloat in a smug way
"i got it right - wasn't I clever" sort of response. They will be trying to make you (& the rest of us) out as a scapegoat for all of this with our "missed-the-boat, doom-mongering, talking down the market etc"
At some point he's going to ask
"what have you got to say to all those hardworking families who will be ruined by the coming-to-pass of your HPC prophesy?"
At this point, the following line comes to mind....
"They are a product of your profession Declan, not mine!"
Spot on..
This is the predictable mood for housing bulls now. They're going to resent the hell out of anyone who spotted and avoided the biggest elephant trap in the history of mankind. In fact they won't just resent it, I think they'll be furious, verging on violent. Rosie Millard has spouted off at reluctant FTBers being like 'vultures' recently. Much more of this to come I think.
So watch out FP. You're could well be singled out as a hate figure by these BTL, MEW types, for doing nothing more than speaking some much needed common sense.
As the great Lance Corporal Jones so wisely said. "They don't like it up em."
Daddy Bear
Jun 30 2008, 05:20 PM
QUOTE (Khayl @ Jun 30 2008, 05:34 PM)

Spot on..
This is the predictable mood for housing bulls now. They're going to resent the hell out of anyone who spotted and avoided the biggest elephant trap in the history of mankind. In fact they won't just resent it, I think they'll be furious, verging on violent. Rosie Millard has spouted off at reluctant FTBers being like 'vultures' recently. Much more of this to come I think.
So watch out FP. You're could well be singled out as a hate figure by these BTL, MEW types, for doing nothing more than speaking some much needed common sense.
As the great Lance Corporal Jones so wisely said. "They don't like it up em."
I have to agree with this - but I am sure FP is well prepared. Having seen FP a number of times on the TV he is pretty sharp. I have every confidence in you FP - I am sure you don't need us telling you how to suck eggs!
What buzz words can people think of that you should be using?
3 each please!
"biggest asset bubble ever"
"burst"
"deflation"
My favourite - "I would'nt touch property with a barge pole"
as I started it i can have 4
DB
markinspain
Jun 30 2008, 05:32 PM
Ask the useless fat git if he has a BTL portfolio and if he has, tell him he's too late to sell it now!
Whoslaughing?
Jun 30 2008, 05:36 PM
Good luck FP.
Can you slip in the expression "I told you so!". Have you ever been pitted against Miss Allsop?
wellandpower
Jun 30 2008, 05:53 PM
Good luck FP!
Knock them dead!
correction
Jun 30 2008, 06:26 PM
Good luck from me as well FP.
Remember you don't need to be angry.
it is obvious to everyone now that we are in for one almighty fall in prices. Just keep cool and emphasise how it should have been foreseen and controlled by the government, the banks, and the media. Also emphasise that the correction, ahem.. is healthy in the long run, and try to explode the myth of the shortage of housing.
LowestoftBoy
Jun 30 2008, 06:56 PM
Will Declan release the stats before 7.00? He was doing a feature from Lowestoft Docks this morning, if I'd have known, I'd have got myself down there and heckled him.
SlumpmonkeyII
Jun 30 2008, 07:10 PM
Good luck FP!
If BTL boy Declan starts to blame you for "talking the market down" then just remind him that HPC.co.uk has been one of the few rational information sources in the crazy asset bubble we have just experienced. We warned people for years and they simply did not listen (including the BBC).
As for buzz phrases - I love "biggest asset bubble in history" and you could slip in the "Tulip Bubble" if you want to compare the madness and stupidity of the 2001-2007 UK house price boom to other equally stupid and reckless economic manias in the past.
EDIT - to include BBC
moonriver
Jun 30 2008, 07:17 PM
Good luck FP.
I am sure you will easily get your point over in your normal calm, but confident manner.
Paddles
Jun 30 2008, 07:22 PM
QUOTE (Daddy Bear @ Jun 30 2008, 06:20 PM)

I have to agree with this - but I am sure FP is well prepared. Having seen FP a number of times on the TV he is pretty sharp. I have every confidence in you FP - I am sure you don't need us telling you how to suck eggs!
What buzz words can people think of that you should be using?
3 each please!
"biggest asset bubble ever"
"burst"
"deflation"
My favourite - "I would'nt touch property with a barge pole"
as I started it i can have 4
DB
"I wouldn't touch it with yours". Oh, that's for a different situation.
mayjay
Jun 30 2008, 07:41 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtm...mortgage230.xmlFigures due on Tuesday from the Nationwide, the country’s biggest building society, are likely to confirm that the housing down turn has turned into a full-blown slump, with prices falling nine months in a row and with the average property price having fallen £14,200 from its peak last summer.
Bloo Loo
Jun 30 2008, 07:45 PM
I think you should turn up in full length black robe with over the head cape, a scythe in one hand, and say to the bull "ive come for you"
Bearfacts
Jun 30 2008, 07:50 PM
Go for it FP - enjoy your moment. If you can, try and emphasise that the correction is good news for the majority of people. On the topic of buzz phrases, if you can slip the phrase 'grotesquely overvalued' into your slot then I will mail you a crispy £5 note.
Well done.
endgame
Jun 30 2008, 07:51 PM
Do your best FP. Prepare well and make the most of the time you get. Ramp gold if you get a chance. Explain how sellers would be best to drop 50% before they have to drop 80% or something. Thanks
the primitive
Jun 30 2008, 08:00 PM
QUOTE (mayjay @ Jun 30 2008, 08:41 PM)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtm...mortgage230.xmlFigures due on Tuesday from the Nationwide, the country’s biggest building society, are likely to confirm that the housing down turn has turned into a full-blown slump, with prices falling nine months in a row and with the average property price having fallen £14,200 from its peak last summer.
If that's exactly true, can someone deduce the real figures? Is there a link to last month's NW figures?
confused.don
Jun 30 2008, 08:06 PM
FP….I thought that it might amuse you to know that our teenage children have set their 'phone alarms for 07:45 (ish) tomorrow so we might see an unprecedented early working day morning family gathering in the living room…Goodonya!
Our VCR (well…you never know) has also been dialled in to record the event.
Bearfacts
Jun 30 2008, 08:07 PM
QUOTE (the primitive @ Jun 30 2008, 09:00 PM)

If that's exactly true, can someone deduce the real figures? Is there a link to last month's NW figures?
I think it would equate to a little over 7% YOY and down between 2 and 3%
MOM ... those are just figures out of my head based on the data I can remember, so treat with caution !
Bearfacts
Jun 30 2008, 08:16 PM
OK - just did my research and dug the calculator out , if the figures are correct then that equates to a YOY fall of 7.5% and MOM of just over 2%. I'd settle for that ... looks like we're on track for at least 15% this year. This is when the fear will set in and things really start to motor.
Angry Sheeple
Jun 30 2008, 08:24 PM
All the best FP. I will be tuning in at work.
SlumpmonkeyII
Jun 30 2008, 08:29 PM
Oh the irony - I can hear Phil and Krusty in the background ramping up the market as I type this! (repeat on More4)
Mention Kirsty and eating her hat FP - that would be pure class XXX rated bear porn!!!
wellandpower
Jun 30 2008, 08:35 PM
QUOTE (the primitive @ Jun 30 2008, 09:00 PM)

If that's exactly true, can someone deduce the real figures? Is there a link to last month's NW figures?
It looks about like they are using the expected figure of 1% decline.
Very very hopefull IMHO. This article is bullish.
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