House Price Crash forum > Investment In Spain

catemite

Sep 1 2006, 08:51 PM

QUOTE(rupertbear @ Sep 1 2006, 09:36 PM) [snapback]439895[/snapback]

Your talking about the suma tax. I can assure you that the tax on the Gross letting value is 25% the tax you mention is suma. This year the local town halls employed staff to check out all holiday letting advertised in newspapers, internet etc. There are strict guide lines to letting. We work within the legal field inSpain and if you take a look at my website www.racistspain.com you will find links to lawyers who will confirm all levels of taxation in Spain. Non residents tax is very very much in force thankyou , The idiots have just taken a non residents tax directly form my bank account in Spain.

Take a look at the website and click on the lawyer links and you will see all the different tax levels. Certianly they confirm that Spain is most definately not a place to wisely invest money in.

We ourselves would love to see the bubble burst with the result of high unemployment, closed businesses and a destruction of the Spanish system. Fortunately we sold our properties in spain 18 months ago before the real onset of these problems. However we remain in Spain temporarily because the Spanish owe us a great deal of money which we intend to get back at any cost. Hints to this are on the website.

regards
Rupert
We quite agree. We were lucky to sell a house in Spain some 18 months ago. It was inland about 1 hour from alicante and only took one week to sell. However we have friends all over the Costa Blanca from Denia to Torrevieja and there is a major problem all along the coast with people trying to sell their properties. Spain has become very expensive, those on a fixed income from the UK will be finding it much harder to make ends meet.

We have experienced a trend from several Spanish people towards racism against not only the English but other nationalities as well.

Many cafes and bars have closed down and many more are up for sale. Today we took a walk around the residential end of Torrevieja. Next week we will take photos which we will upload onto this forum and a website to show people how depressed the area is together with the fact that there is graffiti everywhere and run down apartments and boarded up shops.

The Spanish have brought htis upon themselves by over saturation of property building, Land Grab laws, Illegal Buildings, Corruption, Racism within the police, Violent Crime ...the list goes on.

Take a look at http://racistspain.com

This website details the latest newspaper reports plus much more

regards
Rupert

I see that some more sane people are joining the fray; as I mentioned some time back, people like adi and Allme are either taking the **** or are somehow impaired when it comes to coping with reality. Rupert, you r experience mirrors mine and that of several friends who had the misfortune to throw a couple hundred grand in Spain's direction a couple years ago.....!

paul /sally

Sep 1 2006, 09:07 PM

HI Rupert .. thanks for that ,,,,, just a quick one ... in the winter did you find it cold there in the night time ? i guess it will depend on where you come from in the uk thanks again P/S

Allme

Sep 2 2006, 07:44 AM

OK I cant do it anymore......Ya got me, I´m on a wind up....SORRYYYY

Its been fun though...lol

Cheers

ALLME

doric-woman

Sep 2 2006, 08:46 AM

QUOTE(Allme @ Sep 2 2006, 08:44 AM) [snapback]440022[/snapback]

OK I cant do it anymore......Ya got me, I´m on a wind up....SORRYYYY

Its been fun though...lol

Cheers

ALLME

adibrown

Sep 2 2006, 08:48 AM

Rupert Bear you are promoting YOUR website very well. I have sent an email to the moderators asking that your posts are taken down. We don't need Spammers on the forum.

For the sake of rational argument it would be helpful for us to have people on here who can genuinely debate issues rather than make wild generalisations or spout unsubstantiated vitriol.

Paul/Sally are genuine contributors I feel and add substance to this argument. They have moved to Spain and after a few years decided it wasn't what they though it would be. They had difficulty selling their villa, the weather was colder (in some instances colder than UK in winter), they saw crime increasing in the area with many friends falling victim, they felt cost of living was not much less than UK and that immigration was becoming a problem. This personal experience has been expressed very well and it is clear that they are looking to warn people in a similarposition to think twice before investing in their area of Spain (Costa Blanca)

Catemite is a wind up merchant who made a bad investment in Spain (according to him) but adds very little to the debate other than repeating that Spain is a bad investment. No facts or figures to back it up.

RupertBear has a website which he is shamelessly promoting. This website spouts extremist rubbish. In fact the dangerous thing about this website is that he claims to be involved in law - HE IS SPOUTING RUBBISH. What he is saying about 25%, Inheritance Tax etc etc is unbelievable BS and isnt true.

Then theres me. I have a VI in that I have a house in Spain. So I am in my own way biased. I have had one for just over 4 years but havent regretted it for a minute. My neighbours don't regret it. I have never been a victim of crime, I have never seen any racism towards Brits. My cost of living when I lived there for 2 years was 1/4 it is now in the UK. I have bought and sold and bought again and bought my second place with cash I made on my first place. So far investment has been very good. But this is of course my opinion from my area of Spain (Costa Almeria) as others such as Paul/Sally make their opinions felt from their area of Spain.

Nobody can come on here and state with any conviction backed up by FACT that the whole of Spain is "game over" only their area of Spain.

paul /sally

Sep 2 2006, 08:53 AM

allme,,,,, how can we come down and look around with

you if we dont have any way to contact you ?

adibrown

Sep 2 2006, 08:56 AM

QUOTE(paul /sally @ Sep 1 2006, 10:07 PM) [snapback]439924[/snapback]

HI Rupert .. thanks for that ,,,,, just a quick one ... in the winter did you find it cold there in the night time ? i guess it will depend on where you come from in the uk thanks again P/S

Paul/Sally the reason it feels colder in the night time may be because the drop in tempreture is much more than the UK. So if your max daytime temp in UK is 9 degrees and min nighttime temp is 0 than the difference is 9 degrees. In Spain the max daytime temp can be 19/20 and min night time temp 5-6 dgrees so the difference is 13/14 degrees. The drop makes it feel colder.

Maybe. I do believe you when you say that in the high ground areas and mountains it is colder and if you lived in one of these spots then it probably was colder than your place atsea level in the UK during winter evenings. My own experience down on the coast is that it is far warmer in Winter day and night than UK hence the vast amount of OAP's that holiday for 3 months in Benidorm etc during Dec, Jan, Feb and so many people from NEurope visiting Spain for WinterSun.

paul /sally

Sep 2 2006, 09:57 AM

HI adi ....... 5/6deg is not warm,,, ice on the pond /road [ THE WIND BLOWS THE COLD AIR DOWN FROM THE MOUNTAINS] Re, benidorm it has a mini climate , this is a well know fact...... Adi you are doing more damage to spain than Franco ever did.. The more you come back the more you will drag up what you dont want here ....and as for Ruperts LINK . I guess its the same thing again you dont like it and you dont want others to see it , After all it is just part of the big picture ..... {5/6degs is 5/6 degs } only a spanish estate agent would try to manipulate it .. game up Adi your a estate agent..just jocking your proably a very nice person ,,, just deluded and in love [ love is blind] TTFN

Allme

Sep 2 2006, 10:38 AM

QUOTE(paul /sally @ Sep 2 2006, 09:53 AM) [snapback]440037[/snapback]

allme,,,,, how can we come down and look around with

you if we dont have any way to contact you ?

Sorry mate

dazkem@gmail.com

Anytime

doric-woman

Sep 2 2006, 04:31 PM

Adi Brown has it spot on - Spain consists of many housing markets.

But it remains the case - and the ECB and Bank of Spain downwards acknowledges this - that prices THROUGHOUT Spain are above historical norms.

Add to that thousands upon thousands of new builds (more than can be filled in fact) and we have a nationwide problem.

Of course, Brits tend to focus on the Costas and the area that they live in or have a holiday home that they visit a few times a year.

paul /sally

Sep 2 2006, 06:04 PM

Doric woman ... spot on ... A quick qustion if i may .... I have friends that are trying to sell a 3 bed end terrace 2 years old,, 400 plot on a typical urbanization in La nucia C/B.... its on the market for 220keuro they wont to return home ,,,they had a buyer [spanish] he pulled out with 3 days to go , there does not seem to be any brits buying in the area ...so is there anythig they can do to boost there chances with the spanish buyers.thanks p/s

paul /sally

Sep 2 2006, 06:15 PM

Message sent to..... dazkem@gmail.com [ but message returned undeliverable]

Allme

Sep 3 2006, 07:10 AM

QUOTE(paul /sally @ Sep 2 2006, 07:15 PM) [snapback]440387[/snapback]

Message sent to..... dazkem@gmail.com [ but message returned undeliverable]

I dont see why it was returned, Please try again

dazkem@gmail.com
or
allme71@yahoo.com

Sorry again, being aGMail account you never have to delete any of your mails, and I only had 87 in there anyway, so not sure what happened there guys.

Cheers

doric-woman

Sep 3 2006, 10:54 AM

Paul/Sally,

The problem with many UK owned properties in Spain is that to sell them on you need another Northern European to buy them - the Spanish are less likely to have the money to pay ex-pat prices or indeed the desire to live among Brits.

We have created a market that needs fellow Brits to sustain it. Hence the problem with selling.

I'm sorry I can't offer any more specific advice, not knowing the exact circumstances of the property.

Cold in winter at nights? On the Costa Blanca you will certainly need heating.

adibrown

Sep 3 2006, 02:31 PM

QUOTE(doric-woman @ Sep 2 2006, 05:31 PM) [snapback]440343[/snapback]

Adi Brown has it spot on - Spain consists of many housing markets.

But it remains the case - and the ECB and Bank of Spain downwards acknowledges this - that prices THROUGHOUT Spain are above historical norms.

Add to that thousands upon thousands of new builds (more than can be filled in fact) and we have a nationwide problem.

Of course, Brits tend to focus on the Costas and the area that they live in or have a holiday home that they visit a few times a year.

Of course people concentrate on their area. I agree Spanish property as a national market is currently overvalued and in some parts such as the Costa Blanca I see 30-40% drops - Torrevieja possibly 60-70%. Other areas (and I don't just mean were I am) such as Granada, Seville etc the market is going to hold its value IMO.

Spain is no different from the UK or France. You can't compare Torquay with Scunthorpe or London with Hull or Cannes with Perpignon. Every country has its own micro markets within the national market.

With regards new builds I agree that they are over supplying the market in some areas. These developers aren't stupid though and they will follow market demand. They wont keep building in areas where they arent selling and therefore losing money. As such the market forces will correct this overbuilding in the long term.

Weather in the Costa Blanca I can't comment on but on the Vera Playa it is much warmer on average in the winter than the UK. If you want to argue this point I am happy to put £1,000 on the table and say if you can prove to me that the weather is warmer on average in the UK over any month than the coastal areas of Vera Playa, Garrucha, Mojacar, Malaga and Marbella the money is yours.

I am not blinded by love, I am just not willing to listen to the general pap that is exchanged between individuals on this section of the forum. I notice that there is this general tactic of attacking anybody who puts forward an opposing viewpoint or making them out to be "blinded" "confused" "deluded".

A recent article I read on the Euroresidentes website http://www.euroresidentes.com/Property/inv...perty_spain.htm stated that whilst Spain was still a good place to invest a minority of people find their Spanish experience fails to meet expectations. They make bad moves (Such as buy on the Costa Blanca) and as such find their investment fails or at the best is left vulnerable. I think this is where I stand in the argument. By all means I dont believe you can never lose buying in Spain in fact quite the opposite as I think many mistakes can be made in Spain (as Paul/Sally and Catemite are testiment to). At the same time IMO if you box clever you will never lose.

philippa

Sep 4 2006, 04:30 PM

QUOTE(adibrown @ Sep 3 2006, 02:31 PM) [snapback]440853[/snapback]

Weather in the Costa Blanca I can't comment on but on the Vera Playa it is much warmer on average in the winter than the UK. If you want to argue this point I am happy to put £1,000 on the table and say if you can prove to me that the weather is warmer on average in the UK over any month than the coastal areas of Vera Playa, Garrucha, Mojacar, Malaga and Marbella the money is yours.

LOL! I don´t think anyone is claiming the UK is warmer than Spain in winter so your money is safe

But having lived in Spain myself I can confirm winter nights can be very cold, especially inland, and heating is essential.

paul /sally

Sep 4 2006, 04:58 PM

Philippa ..... Thank you , Thank you , Thank you, but it wont make much difference to Adi

adibrown

Sep 4 2006, 05:45 PM

QUOTE(paul /sally @ Sep 4 2006, 05:58 PM) [snapback]441590[/snapback]

Philippa ..... Thank you , Thank you , Thank you, but it wont make much difference to Adi

It makes all the difference. I keep repeating this time and time again. I am quite happy to put my hands up and say, I am sure if you live inland and even on occassions on the coast of Spain there are nights in Winter when you will need to put the heating on. I am also quite happy to say that inland you probably even need it on for a few months over winter.

But the fact is (and I think this is what Phillipa was saying) it is warmer in Spain during the winter than the UK. Thats the point I wanted to make. I do believe that Paul/Sally saw some cold winter nights and possibly days in their part of Spain but in general the Southern coast of Spain is much warmer than the UK in winter. I don't know about inland areas, these may be colder.

paul /sally

Sep 4 2006, 05:53 PM

HI ADI and all on the site Check out www.shipit.co.uk/almeria_wherther_forcast.htm average in summer. 24 deg and in the winter.... average 10deg .......................does average mean ... one day it could be... 15deg and another day only......5deg ... think i will let ADI explain this one.... all the best

ps ...be carefull Adi i know what your going to say next.... trust me it wont look so good again

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAdi ... Go back and read that particular post again ... dont twist up what was said...

adibrown

Sep 4 2006, 06:19 PM

QUOTE(paul /sally @ Sep 4 2006, 06:45 PM) [snapback]441623[/snapback]

HI ADI and all on the site Check out www.shipit.co.uk/almeria_wherther_forcast.htm average in summer. 24 deg and in the winter.... average 10deg .......................does average mean ... one day it could be... 15deg and another day only......5deg ... think i will let ADI explain this one.... all the best

Thats the average as calculated by taking the maximum daytime temp and the minimum nightime temp. That is why the average in Summer is only 24 degrees even though the average daytime temp in June/July/August is over 30 degrees. The actual average temp is 12.6 degrees for almeria and 10 degrees is for the Valencia region. Taking the statistic of 12.6 we can pinpoint an average daytime high of around 19 degrees and an average nightime low of around 7 degrees. That sounds pretty good to me, I'd definitely take that

And just to put this into context Paul/Sally and All on the site the average English winter temp is 4.1 degrees (2.7 in Scotland Brrrrrrrr). Stats as verified by the Met Office http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pres...pr20060710.html

For your reference:

http://almeria.costasur.com/en/clima.html
http://www.altur.com/eng/sunbeach/almeria/ - This is a very accurate weather site and states an average temp of 12.6 degrees in winter.
http://www.propertysalespain.co.uk/almeria_weather.htm
http://www.travelguidesdirectory.com/coast...ida/weather.asp

paul /sally

Sep 4 2006, 07:18 PM

Ok Adi So if the average is 12degs what sort of temperature could we be looking at ...... lets say 16 to 18 in the day for that to be correct ..... the night must be 6to 8 ..... and you compared the south coast of spain to the uk average not to the south coast which is normaly a couple of degs up on the rest of the the uk

adibrown

Sep 4 2006, 07:57 PM

QUOTE(paul /sally @ Sep 4 2006, 08:18 PM) [snapback]441663[/snapback]

Ok Adi So if the average is 12degs what sort of temperature could we be looking at ...... lets say 16 to 18 in the day for that to be correct ..... the night must be 6to 8 ..... and you compared the south coast of spain to the uk average not to the south coast which is normaly a couple of degs up on the rest of the the uk

Yes you're probably right the average on the South Coast is probably about 6 degrees. So lets say 9 degrees max daytime temp and 3 degrees nightime low. So the nightime low in Spain is almost the same as the daytime high in the UK.

paul /sally

Sep 4 2006, 09:18 PM

Ok Adi Think i have got now ...... so when it gets down 7/8/9 deges min at night do you put the heating on???? ok now i go back to my post that started all this off [i quote me] we ended right on the south coast borders kent sussex where the weather has been very good. the last two winters have not been that differant to La Nucia [ perhaps less rain here] on average a bit colder , but because the properties are better built and the heating system works it does not really matter...[end quote] .... Adi now go back and look at your post look at how you twisted it all up , and then look at where we are now ......Please Please Please go back and look at your self......P/S

paul /sally

Sep 5 2006, 05:34 PM

BBC Breakfast News ....Today....The True Cost Of Retireing Abrord......And is asking for your stories.....Log on to www.BBC.co.uk/breakfast .....or tel....08707..

878787

Allme

Oct 1 2006, 08:48 AM

QUOTE(paul /sally @ Sep 5 2006, 06:34 PM) [snapback]442258[/snapback]

BBC Breakfast News ....Today....The True Cost Of Retireing Abrord......And is asking for your stories.....Log on to www.BBC.co.uk/breakfast .....or tel....08707..

878787

Where oh where is all this crap going.
Listen some do well over here some dont, in the UK some do well and some dont...............JEEEZ get over your bad choices people and STOP laying the blame on everyone elses feet..............

What is wrong with people admitting to there bad choices, I have made a few, we all have......and well KITTY you have to look at your bad choices in the mirror everyday..............

catemite

Oct 1 2006, 11:11 PM

QUOTE(Allme @ Oct 1 2006, 09:48 AM) [snapback]459265[/snapback]

Where oh where is all this crap going.
Listen some do well over here some dont, in the UK some do well and some dont...............JEEEZ get over your bad choices people and STOP laying the blame on everyone elses feet..............

What is wrong with people admitting to there bad choices, I have made a few, we all have......and well KITTY you have to look at your bad choices in the mirror everyday..............

Allme

my bad choices are substantially irrelevant in the context of my larger portfolio - I've done nicely everywhere else. Unfortunately, in Spain you just can't seem to sell (buying is easy!)

I think you need half an hour in the back room on the "tower of power", you know - a sweaty muscular guy wearing a sailor's cap, waiting with his arm greased up to the elbow! Go on, you know you want to!

ho ho ho - depravity awaits

unforgivable sodomite

Allme

Oct 4 2006, 11:28 AM

QUOTE(catemite @ Oct 2 2006, 12:11 AM) [snapback]459656[/snapback]

Allme

my bad choices are substantially irrelevant in the context of my larger portfolio - I've done nicely everywhere else. Unfortunately, in Spain you just can't seem to sell (buying is easy!)

I think you need half an hour in the back room on the "tower of power", you know - a sweaty muscular guy wearing a sailor's cap, waiting with his arm greased up to the elbow! Go on, you know you want to!

ho ho ho - depravity awaits

unforgivable sodomite

OK it takes alot to make me afraid, but you have just done it....................well at least you have come out the closet, well done you.

And again you think the BIG words, long text replies makes everything OK.............and you STILL cant admit you screwed up it still SAPINS fault and the easy to sell properties over here........have you sold your mistake, and again with the BIGGNESS....text, words, protfolio......are you trying to cover something up.....

catemite

Oct 4 2006, 11:17 PM

QUOTE(Allme @ Oct 4 2006, 12:28 PM) [snapback]461473[/snapback]

OK it takes alot to make me afraid, but you have just done it....................well at least you have come out the closet, well done you.

And again you think the BIG words, long text replies makes everything OK.............and you STILL cant admit you screwed up it still SAPINS fault and the easy to sell properties over here........have you sold your mistake, and again with the BIGGNESS....text, words, protfolio......are you trying to cover something up.....

hey Allme - I CAN admit it - here we go then - I SCREWED UP! There, I've said it, whew! But I still reserve the right to maintain that Spain is simply a disaster now in terms of capital appreciation and rental return. More importantly, I also reserve the right to fling outrageous vulgar innuendos at people who suggest otherwise - my last post being a good example.

Oh yeah, and did you hear about the un-schooled east London investor type who went to the doctor feeling rather unwell? The doctor (with some distaste) asked the person to return next Thursday morning bringing samples of his blood, urine, faeces and semen. The east london investor (caught up with trying to shift his unsellable Spanish investments) said he was very busy and if , rather than returning later, could he maybe leave the doctor his underpants instead!!!!!

Boom boom & a "ho ho ho" to you - only 10 weeks left 'til Christmas - wishing you the very best!

reprehensible coprophiliac

prophet-profit

Oct 6 2006, 12:39 PM

Hi

This is my first post on the site so Hello one and all.

My wife and I had planned to buy a property to let in the UK or Ireland within the next Year, however, a dose of reality set it and we have decided to avoid the UK/Irish market for now (we live in N.Ireland, I'm originally from S E London).

We think we may buy in Spain for many reasons:

My parents live there (Barx, nr Gandia) and we had done very well on a small studio flat before in Javea which we let full term not holiday let.

We are considering buying a small flat to let long term in a town within good distance of Alicante Airport etc. I Know that the Costas are out of the question but I was considering towns such as Elda etc, industrial towns were there will be (presumably) a demand for rented property.

Also (and this is the clincher) we could get such a property for under £40,000

I welcome all advice and whilst I personally think a crash is long overdue in the UK, Ireland, Costas etc., I still think there is value to be had with Spanish property inland and away from the Costas

Best Regards

JH

adibrown

Oct 7 2006, 05:51 AM

QUOTE(prophet-profit @ Oct 6 2006, 01:39 PM) [snapback]463101[/snapback]

Hi

This is my first post on the site so Hello one and all.

My wife and I had planned to buy a property to let in the UK or Ireland within the next Year, however, a dose of reality set it and we have decided to avoid the UK/Irish market for now (we live in N.Ireland, I'm originally from S E London).

We think we may buy in Spain for many reasons:

My parents live there (Barx, nr Gandia) and we had done very well on a small studio flat before in Javea which we let full term not holiday let.

We are considering buying a small flat to let long term in a town within good distance of Alicante Airport etc. I Know that the Costas are out of the question but I was considering towns such as Elda etc, industrial towns were there will be (presumably) a demand for rented property.

Also (and this is the clincher) we could get such a property for under £40,000

I welcome all advice and whilst I personally think a crash is long overdue in the UK, Ireland, Costas etc., I still think there is value to be had with Spanish property inland and away from the Costas

Best Regards

JH

Hi

I have to say I think Inland Spain is a bad investment. I just think you have so much cheap land and it is quite literally never ending. You would be better off looking for something smaller away from the Costa Blanca but on the coast. Try Costa De Luz or the Costa Tropical as both are still quite cheap and affordable. These areas are usually warmer in the winter and cooler in the Summer.

Saying this with £40k you could get a Finca somewhere and make a nice home. As for invesment though you have to realise the only reason 95% of people would buy inland is simply because it is cheap. If you start charging £80k+ people might as well buy somewhere in a more desirable location on the coast.

In my opinion the places to avoid are Costa Blanca, Mar Menor and Albox. Specifically the 100% place to avoid is Torrevieja!!!! Do not even buy anywhere within 20 miles of this place....you will never sell it.

prophet-profit

Oct 7 2006, 11:13 AM

QUOTE(adibrown @ Oct 7 2006, 06:51 AM) [snapback]463483[/snapback]

Hi

I have to say I think Inland Spain is a bad investment. I just think you have so much cheap land and it is quite literally never ending. You would be better off looking for something smaller away from the Costa Blanca but on the coast. Try Costa De Luz or the Costa Tropical as both are still quite cheap and affordable. These areas are usually warmer in the winter and cooler in the Summer.

Saying this with £40k you could get a Finca somewhere and make a nice home. As for invesment though you have to realise the only reason 95% of people would buy inland is simply because it is cheap. If you start charging £80k+ people might as well buy somewhere in a more desirable location on the coast.

In my opinion the places to avoid are Costa Blanca, Mar Menor and Albox. Specifically the 100% place to avoid is Torrevieja!!!! Do not even buy anywhere within 20 miles of this place....you will never sell it.

Thanks for the advice Adi - I am going out in Feb and I will look at the areas you suggest.

I think your 100% about avoiding Torrevieja (sorry to any Torrevieja speculators out there but this boat must have surely sailed by now)

Allme

Oct 8 2006, 11:31 AM

Hey and welcome.

Dont let the arguing put you off, its just some harmless fun ( well for me anyway)
Drop me an Email to djkemp@movistar.net and I can also throw some Investment ideas your way.
I have a very good Investment that requires only 39,000 sterling, and besides this we have several other investments but they need larger capital input...
I cant go into to much detaisl on here, but if you are interested then drop me a mail.....

Good luck

Allme

QUOTE(catemite @ Oct 5 2006, 01:17 AM) [snapback]461864[/snapback]

hey Allme - I CAN admit it - here we go then - I SCREWED UP! There, I've said it, whew! But I still reserve the right to maintain that Spain is simply a disaster now in terms of capital appreciation and rental return. More importantly, I also reserve the right to fling outrageous vulgar innuendos at people who suggest otherwise - my last post being a good example.

Oh yeah, and did you hear about the un-schooled east London investor type who went to the doctor feeling rather unwell? The doctor (with some distaste) asked the person to return next Thursday morning bringing samples of his blood, urine, faeces and semen. The east london investor (caught up with trying to shift his unsellable Spanish investments) said he was very busy and if , rather than returning later, could he maybe leave the doctor his underpants instead!!!!!

Boom boom & a "ho ho ho" to you - only 10 weeks left 'til Christmas - wishing you the very best!

reprehensible coprophiliac

Catemite

Good luck mate, and I do really mean that.
Whatever other investments you are into or getting into WILL be a success, as what dont kill ya, makes you stronger.
Sorry Spain was´nt the ticket for you, but best of luck with your other investments

Cheers
Allme

backtoparents

Oct 8 2006, 12:59 PM

QUOTE(Allme @ Oct 8 2006, 01:31 PM) [snapback]463916[/snapback]

Hey and welcome.

Dont let the arguing put you off, its just some harmless fun ( well for me anyway)
Drop me an Email to djkemp@movistar.net and I can also throw some Investment ideas your way.
I have a very good Investment that requires only 39,000 sterling, and besides this we have several other investments but they need larger capital input...
I cant go into to much detaisl on here, but if you are interested then drop me a mail.....

Good luck

Allme

Allme

Do you post as Daz01 on SingingPig?

btp

backtoparents

Oct 8 2006, 01:53 PM

Based on the post below I appear to be wrong. Daz01's first post in Jan '05 on singing pig certainly doesn't correlate with someone who has been "here/hear" for 3 years, as one of the earlier posts included below does.

Other details are an almost remarkable coincidence though.

DYOR! (do your own reading)

Best of luck / karma / hugs

btp

QUOTE

Cocacolalight (living in spain i take it, or have lived)...firstly thank you for a genuine reply, first one on this board i have´nt seen instantley flaming someone.....
I am 34 years old (born 16th sept 1971), and no i have´nt been riding the old wave, i have been hear for 3 years, and YES i do make a good income.............Is there anything like a surefire investment....NO, i most definatley agree back in the old days...whenever they were....it was much harder to lose money on an investment.....and Cat (whatever) blah blah blah - utterly ridiculous..please grow up.....

I am having my say, which correct me if i am wrong is what this board is about....i have listened to most of you and have taken into account what you have said, so at least have the honour to do me the same.....
Guarenteed sales within 18 months i think is something to boast about, purely because of the returns on investment MY investors get.
Again i am not here to sell Spain, or myself but i am entitled to my facts/history whatever you wish to call it.

Anyway i´m finished with my input on this post, and yes some bright spark will say its about time or hoooray so be it.
I wish you all the best with your investment in whatever shape they take...

Lets be honest, any investment should take alot of hard work, knowledge, researching etc to be effective.

Good luck
Allme

gasket37

Oct 8 2006, 04:52 PM

QUOTE(backtoparents @ Oct 8 2006, 01:59 PM) [snapback]463961[/snapback]

Allme

Do you post as Daz01 on SingingPig?

btp

certainly seems illiterate enough to be the same bod.

however daz01 favours lots of CAPITAL LETTERS in the WRONG PLACES.

most excellent cyberstalking again BTW!

Allme

Oct 9 2006, 07:44 AM

[quote name='gasket37' post='464082' date='Oct 8 2006, 06:52 PM']
certainly seems illiterate enough to be the same bod.

however daz01 favours lots of CAPITAL LETTERS in the WRONG PLACES.

Well well well, Is this a GraMmer and SpeeeeelInG Zone
Allme

backtoparents

Oct 14 2006, 09:23 AM

Greenbelt anyone?

btp

spanman

Oct 15 2006, 10:32 AM

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Greenbelt anyone?

btp

Tip of the iceberg methinks.

adibrown

Oct 15 2006, 10:49 AM

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Tip of the iceberg methinks.

This is great news. These people knew the risks but sheer greed made them go for it. I hope to see this across the board in Spain with thousands upon thousands of homes demolished that have been built illegally. It is only great news for Spanish Property prices as the government cracks down all over on illegal building and actually starts preserving green belts and natural parks.

It is common knowledge that building on this type of land is illegal in Spain and these people would have been told that "oh it doesnt matter they never enforce it". What idiots. That would be like walking in Tescos and somebody saying "go on stick a steak in your pants, they never arrest you if they catch you". These people knew but believed that they could get away with it. Fools.

Allme

Oct 16 2006, 07:21 AM

QUOTE(adibrown @ Oct 15 2006, 12:49 PM) [snapback]467873[/snapback]

This is great news. These people knew the risks but sheer greed made them go for it. I hope to see this across the board in Spain with thousands upon thousands of homes demolished that have been built illegally. It is only great news for Spanish Property prices as the government cracks down all over on illegal building and actually starts preserving green belts and natural parks.

It is common knowledge that building on this type of land is illegal in Spain and these people would have been told that "oh it doesnt matter they never enforce it". What idiots. That would be like walking in Tescos and somebody saying "go on stick a steak in your pants, they never arrest you if they catch you". These people knew but believed that they could get away with it. Fools.

Im sorry but this comment is the straw that broke the camels back, how in the hell can you be happy that people have LOST anything, yeah it was a stupid move but come on this is´nt on.
Thats someones parents, grandparents, it could have ben yours...........

You read an article and thats it "sheep" thats all I can say about you all.

I do NOT want to be associated with this board or you people anymore, hurray most of you will say, fine by me.

I´ll continue to lead the good life over here and I´ll continue to help those that want my help.

I´m outta here

catara

Oct 16 2006, 08:12 AM

QUOTE(Allme @ Oct 16 2006, 08:21 AM) [snapback]468270[/snapback]

Im sorry but this comment is the straw that broke the camels back, how in the hell can you be happy that people have LOST anything, yeah it was a stupid move but come on this is´nt on.
Thats someones parents, grandparents, it could have ben yours...........

You read an article and thats it "sheep" thats all I can say about you all.

I do NOT want to be associated with this board or you people anymore, hurray most of you will say, fine by me.

I´ll continue to lead the good life over here and I´ll continue to help those that want my help.
I´m outta here

Don't forget to take your pills before you go to bed and also in th morning.

adibrown

Oct 16 2006, 09:20 AM

QUOTE(Allme @ Oct 16 2006, 08:21 AM) [snapback]468270[/snapback]

Im sorry but this comment is the straw that broke the camels back, how in the hell can you be happy that people have LOST anything, yeah it was a stupid move but come on this is´nt on.
Thats someones parents, grandparents, it could have ben yours...........

You read an article and thats it "sheep" thats all I can say about you all.

I do NOT want to be associated with this board or you people anymore, hurray most of you will say, fine by me.

I´ll continue to lead the good life over here and I´ll continue to help those that want my help.
I´m outta here

I didnt call anybody sheep.

Lets look at it like this. Its like somebody buying a house in the middle of the New Forest and they are told that it is actually illegal to build there but they are getting a great house in the middle of a natural beauty spot for a lower than normal price and the government never action against this so all is OK. If your solicitor is saying "of course it is illegal to build in the New Forest but the council will rarely do anything about it, and look now other people are building as well so you will be alright".

You sit there thinking "Yeah look at me with my house in the middle of a natural beauty spot for less than people pay for normal plots". Of course you have no conscience about the consequences of your action. The fact that you are destroying an area of natural beauty and encouraging more developers to build there and in turn slowly destroying that area is of no concern to you.

Then a year later a government official takes his family up to this area of natural beauty and sees it has been turned into some kind of Ex Pat Brit Community club for collective back slapping. And in turn he decides to put a stop to this and in turn put a stop to general flouting of the planning laws with regards greenbelt and National Parks.

All of a sudden the Brits are up in arms and complaining about over zealous Spanish officials. Its not rocket science. It is very simple.

"You broke the law, you knew you were breaking the law so shut up and put up"

What I dont understand about you Allme is why you dont see this as a good thing. If you live in Spain then why are you upset that finally building on areas of natural beauty has been stopped. Why is it bad that green belt laws have finally been enforced. This severely restricts the areas developers can build on and in turn decreases supply which can only be good for spanish property prices. It also means Spain retains its areas of natural beauty and doesnt lose them to Polaris World.

Dont feel sympathy for people who knowingly and arrogantly flout planning laws for their own greedy ends and then when it goes t*ts up they throw there dummy out the pram and blame everyone else other than themselves.

catemite

Oct 17 2006, 11:16 PM

QUOTE(adibrown @ Oct 16 2006, 10:20 AM) [snapback]468307[/snapback]

I didnt call anybody sheep.

Lets look at it like this. Its like somebody buying a house in the middle of the New Forest and they are told that it is actually illegal to build there but they are getting a great house in the middle of a natural beauty spot for a lower than normal price and the government never action against this so all is OK. If your solicitor is saying "of course it is illegal to build in the New Forest but the council will rarely do anything about it, and look now other people are building as well so you will be alright".

You sit there thinking "Yeah look at me with my house in the middle of a natural beauty spot for less than people pay for normal plots". Of course you have no conscience about the consequences of your action. The fact that you are destroying an area of natural beauty and encouraging more developers to build there and in turn slowly destroying that area is of no concern to you.

Then a year later a government official takes his family up to this area of natural beauty and sees it has been turned into some kind of Ex Pat Brit Community club for collective back slapping. And in turn he decides to put a stop to this and in turn put a stop to general flouting of the planning laws with regards greenbelt and National Parks.

All of a sudden the Brits are up in arms and complaining about over zealous Spanish officials. Its not rocket science. It is very simple.

"You broke the law, you knew you were breaking the law so shut up and put up"

What I dont understand about you Allme is why you dont see this as a good thing. If you live in Spain then why are you upset that finally building on areas of natural beauty has been stopped. Why is it bad that green belt laws have finally been enforced. This severely restricts the areas developers can build on and in turn decreases supply which can only be good for spanish property prices. It also means Spain retains its areas of natural beauty and doesnt lose them to Polaris World.

Dont feel sympathy for people who knowingly and arrogantly flout planning laws for their own greedy ends and then when it goes t*ts up they throw there dummy out the pram and blame everyone else other than themselves.

Hey Allme, keep your leather hotpants on, you know, the ones with the zip on the BACK!!

As for you AdiBrownAppendage - Allme's right, who are you to judge these people who just indulged themselves in a spot of harmful fantasy; their only mistake was to believe that they could be safe in the "land of corruption". I'm outta here same as Allme - but I'll be back - with a Gimp helmet to adorn your unworthy head!!

Happy Tuesday

Lubed-Up Luddite

backtoparents

Oct 22 2006, 12:59 PM

QUOTE(Allme @ Oct 16 2006, 09:21 AM) [snapback]468270[/snapback]

Im sorry but this comment is the straw that broke the camels back, how in the hell can you be happy that people have LOST anything, yeah it was a stupid move but come on this is´nt on.
Thats someones parents, grandparents, it could have ben yours...........

You read an article and thats it "sheep" thats all I can say about you all.

I do NOT want to be associated with this board or you people anymore, hurray most of you will say, fine by me.

I´ll continue to lead the good life over here and I´ll continue to help those that want my help.

I´m outta here

As long as it was nothing to do with the inconsistencies in your stories, and was a matter of principle, then I fully understand.

Best of luck in your ~~new~~, sorry, mature business venture.

btp

Julian

May 30 2007, 05:15 AM

I need the experience in Spain too. Having been to Spain for quite a few times on travel, I want to move to there for living and working. But When I was in Spain, I only accommodated in some small hotels and I don't know the property and the process of buying a house in Spain very well. I only find some related sites there, property in spain and spanish property . I hope someone could give me some help or suggestion about it. Any help would be much appreciated!

Pablo-silver or lead?

May 30 2007, 07:26 AM

Julian

try these sites

http://britishexpats.com/

http://www.spanishpropertyinsight.com/forums/

margesimpson

May 30 2007, 07:33 AM

QUOTE(Julian @ May 30 2007, 07:15 AM) [snapback]652614[/snapback]

I need the experience in Spain too. Having been to Spain for quite a few times on travel, I want to move to there for living and working. But When I was in Spain, I only accommodated in some small hotels and I don't know the property and the process of buying a house in Spain very well. I only find some related sites there, property in spain and spanish property . I hope someone could give me some help or suggestion about it. Any help would be much appreciated!

Pablo, I think "Julian" has only found the two sites he mentions because he owns them . . .

GCM

May 30 2007, 08:56 AM

QUOTE(Pablo-silver or lead? @ May 30 2007, 08:26 AM) [snapback]652656[/snapback]

Julian

try these sites

http://britishexpats.com/

http://www.spanishpropertyinsight.com/forums/

This site is also good.

http://www.costablancauncovered.com

Mark

backtoparents

May 30 2007, 09:18 PM

QUOTE(margesimpson @ May 30 2007, 09:33 AM) [snapback]652661[/snapback]

Pablo, I think "Julian" has only found the two sites he mentions because he owns them . . .

http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=buypr...in&tld=info

http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=prope...nca&tld=org

I think you may be correct.

Mods - you know where to send the advertising bill

btp

Newtonhuanying

Aug 2 2007, 01:18 AM

QUOTE(Julian @ May 30 2007, 05:15 AM)

I need the experience in Spain too. Having been to Spain for quite a few times on travel, I want to move to there for living and working. But When I was in Spain, I only accommodated in some small hotels and I don't know the property and the process of buying a house in Spain very well. I only find some related sites there, property in spain and spanish property . I hope someone could give me some help or suggestion about it. Any help would be much appreciated!

Spain is really a beautiful country in the world to visit. And it's a good idea to live in Spain. Spain is really a beautiful country in the world to visit. I spent several days in Barcelona and Madrid, and I'd love to go back for awhile. I think if you're in Barcelona be sure to check out the Picasso museum as well. I can recommend you some hotel related sites that has ever given me more help before I make the trip to Spain. They are lake tahoe hotel and palmas real estate . And I deem that the best way to get around Spain is by train and you can enjoy the beautiful landscape along the way.

Hoping you have a good time in Spain!