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Goldfinger
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Posted On: Thursday, January 17, 2008, 5:45:00 PM EST

The Panic Starts

Author: Jim Sinclair




Dear CIGAs,

There is no doubt the Fed and the PPT are meeting right now. A drop of over 300 points on the Dow after the Chairman of the Federal Reserve speaks publicly presages a $1000 break in gold coming quite quickly, if not tomorrow.

Unless the equity markets can be calmed, a panic is about to happen, making the statement "This is it" a horrible reality.



If the equity markets cannot be calmed then:

* Recognize this is the Formula happening like everything else much sooner and much bigger in its implications than anticipated.
* Gold will rise to $1650 as an almost immediate effect of what will be done to attempt to fend off a total panic starting to take place in general equities, therein threatening to be followed by all credit markets of all kinds.
* The funds and hotshot short term traders in gold shares will be killed by the upward explosion of the gold price about to occur.
* The PPT and the Fed will step out of gold’s way because gold is one of the tools used in 1930 by Roosevelt and in 2000 by Bush. It will be used again now on the upside.
* Gold is the only insurance there is against what all this means because a panic in equities will blow the financial system, already coming apart, to smithereens.
* All country funds would shut down on any further investments in "at the wall" financial institutions.
* The rollover in credit and default derivatives would exceed the entire foreign debt of the USA.
* The rest of the $450 trillion dollar mountain of derivatives would start a disintegration like nothing you have every seen in your lifetime.
* Consumer demand would slam shut.
* The auto industry might as well go into liquidation this coming Monday, avoiding the June 2008 rush.
* The US dollar would burn a hole in the floor going directly to .5200 or lower.
* As the dollar disintegrates gold would rocket to and through $1650 in days.
* The markets for general equities would all have to institute total trading halts every 100 points on the downside for 30 minutes each.
* All commercial call loans would be called.
* All debtors one day late on any payment, lacking grace period, would be liquidated. All debtors over one day of the grace period would be liquidated.
* It is clearly visible to anyone with eyes or a mind to think that the PPT has lost all semblance of control in the equity markets and will soon in all remaining markets.
* The commercial paper credit market which is almost dead will die totally.
* Should no emergency action take place soon, you will see an old fashioned panic of the 1929 variety.
* Just as emotional fools sell gold and gold shares, be assured that more emotional general equity fools will unload and bring the averages down more than ever in history in one day.
* Recognize this is the Formula happening like everything else much sooner and much bigger in its implications than anticipated.
* Emergency action will be all splash and theatrics but truthfully the cat is out of the bag. It buys some time but corrects nothing. It makes the Formula 100% correct.
* There now must be EMERGENCY ACTION because the Chairman of the Fed has BOMBED OUT PUBLICLY and a PANIC is about to occur. Expect EMERGECNY ACTION in days, not weeks.



If you have not protected yourself, you may only have days to do so now.
thefinalbear
Just one more day............its all I ask........



and the Creamer vid is on another thread...............its a very good watch.
ruisort7
* Emergency action will be all splash and theatrics but truthfully the cat is out of the bag. It buys some time but corrects nothing. It makes the Formula 100% correct.
If you have not protected yourself, you may only have days to do so now.


These phrases sound familiar ...
the end is nigh
I suppose shorting gold at 904 was a bad idea then!
Goldfinger
QUOTE (the end is nigh @ Jan 17 2008, 11:33 PM) *
I suppose shorting gold at 904 was a bad idea then!

You'll be wiped out. As Sinclair says, gold will be the only insurance.

But this is not about gold. This is about the end of American financial dominance, the end of the US-Dollar, the end of Bretton Woods II.

This is not good if it all happens NOW.
The General
QUOTE (Goldfinger @ Jan 17 2008, 11:28 PM) *

F***ing hell, I might start taking Prozac before i come to this board 8(

This is all starting to get very very scary. The fear is palpable in the City at the moment; except for the fools in denial.....
john84
QUOTE (Goldfinger @ Jan 17 2008, 11:28 PM) *



Now is a lot different to the crash of 1929. The banks will want their money back but not straight away. The US and UK financial - including property - market will just stagnate for about 10 years or so. This article makes sense. UK house price crash in http://www.hiday.net/



Goldfinger
QUOTE (john84 @ Jan 17 2008, 11:41 PM) *
Now is a lot different to the crash of 1929. The banks will want their money back but not straight away. The US and UK financial - including property - market will just stagnate for about 10 years or so. This article makes sense. UK house price crash in http://www.hiday.net/

Wake up. This is not about houses anymore. This is very serious and very urgent. The whole system seem to be coming unglued. If the they don't impose emergency action NOW and wait until the monoline insurers go to the wall, 1929 will look like a piece of cake.
the end is nigh
QUOTE (Goldfinger @ Jan 17 2008, 11:38 PM) *
You'll be wiped out. As Sinclair says, gold will be the only insurance.

I've got a stop on at 900 now. Showing good support at 880 to date.
Goldfinger
QUOTE (the end is nigh @ Jan 17 2008, 11:46 PM) *
I've got a stop on at 900 now. Showing good support at 880 to date.

You better get a few smaller coins.
Captain Coma
QUOTE (Goldfinger @ Jan 17 2008, 11:43 PM) *
Wake up. This is not about houses anymore. This is very serious and very urgent. The whole system seem to be coming unglued. If the they don't impose emergency action NOW and wait until the monoline insurers go to the wall, 1929 will look like a piece of cake.


Listen to Goldfinger. It could all go very quick. I thought March-April, but if panic really sets in ...
cgnao
QUOTE (ruisort7 @ Jan 18 2008, 12:32 AM) *
* Emergency action will be all splash and theatrics but truthfully the cat is out of the bag. It buys some time but corrects nothing. It makes the Formula 100% correct.
If you have not protected yourself, you may only have days to do so now.


These phrases sound familiar ...


Over the past few months I emailed him several times links to hpc and he never bothered to reply or publish them.

At least now I know he read them.

Sweet.
thefinalbear
Bugger.....I just wanted a few more weeks. I knew it would unravel fast but damn - first 2 weeks of Jan. The fear really is setting in now. Sinclair didnt mention it but we could see emergency Fed rate cuts as early as tomorrow (if you saw the Cramer vid then I think someone just yelled FIRE).
ruisort7
QUOTE (cgnao @ Jan 18 2008, 12:52 AM) *
Over the past few months I emailed him several times links to hpc and he never bothered to reply or publish them.

At least now I know he read them.

Sweet.

I throw down my best wrong 'un, just short of a length, and still it gets dispatched to the boundary. Props bro.
thecrashingisles
QUOTE (Goldfinger @ Jan 17 2008, 11:28 PM) *
T H I S _ I S _ I T !


Time for some Dannii: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAPSS4J5PJ8 smile.gif
FLASH_2007
QUOTE (cgnao @ Jan 17 2008, 11:52 PM) *
Over the past few months I emailed him several times links to hpc and he never bothered to reply or publish them.

At least now I know he read them.

Sweet.


I have a feeling a few more poeple on this site will start taking you alot more seriously from now on!
Charlie The Tramp
Cue 1987

Footsie, was it a 10% fall in one day and the Dow 22% ?

Did the World end, not as I remember.

IIRC the Markets soon recovered, any idea the price of Gold on that infamous Black Monday.

As the RSA said in November 2005 that shares, bonds, and housing were overvalued.

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The RBA believes the boom in markets for shares, bonds and housing in many countries is unsustainable.


wink.gif
Pluto
QUOTE (cgnao @ Jan 17 2008, 06:52 PM) *
Over the past few months I emailed him several times links to hpc and he never bothered to reply or publish them.

At least now I know he read them.

Sweet.


Bernanke had fear in his eyes today. All he said was a financial stimulus had to be quick. He knows time is running out. He wants to wait until the end of the month before he cuts rates - but he cant. The markets want more cash today.
thefinalbear
Well....the worlds not going to end......I'll still get up and have my tea and toast in the morning.......but its really getting going now.....

you can just taste it around the corner........whatever happens.......it aint going to be boring.
thefinalbear
"Bernanke had fear in his eyes today."

I think he always did....its like when Greenspan left...... his best friend was gone and he was left all alone.
Fudge
Just watched Brown on prime ministers questions, the Lib Dem guy asked what was he going to do about
all the repossessions expected this year. Brown kept going on about keeping interest rates down and thats why it is important
to keep inflation down by keeping public sector wage inflation at 2%. It seemed to me that Brown is desperate for this very simplistic ploy to work. He has no plan B. Same thing watching Bernanke today asking for tax cuts, he looks calm but if you look at his lips they are trembling.
Goldfinger
QUOTE (Charlie The Tramp @ Jan 18 2008, 12:00 AM) *
IIRC the Markets soon recovered, any idea the price of Gold on that infamous Black Monday.

Bart of Darkness
QUOTE (Charlie The Tramp @ Jan 18 2008, 12:00 AM) *
Did the World end, not as I remember.

Having slept through at least 2 earthquakes, I could easily have missed it.

Interesting to look back at the events of 1987.
enrieb
QUOTE (Bart of Darkness @ Jan 18 2008, 12:21 AM) *
Having slept through at least 2 earthquakes, I could easily have missed it.

Interesting to look back at the events of 1987.


Ooo 1987 Dow Jones fell from $2700 to $2000 with gold somewhere between $400 - $500. Almost makes todays gold price of $880 look cheap.
enrieb
Only got data in pounds but on 1987 October 19th (Black Monday) Gold jumped to £285

Oct 14th £278
Oct 15th £280
Oct 16th £278
Oct 19th £285
Oct 20th £280
Oct 22nd £285
Oct 26th £280
Oct 28th £278
Oct 29th £273
Nov 10th £257

Gold peaked in august of 1987 at £300 then fell after black monday to around £250. Though if you look at the entire 80s gold held it value on average.

http://www.margin-call.com/en/historical/sterling-gold.php



Bart of Darkness
QUOTE (enrieb @ Jan 18 2008, 12:47 AM) *
Ooo 1987 Dow Jones fell from $2700 to $2000 with gold somewhere between $400 - $500. Almost makes todays gold price of $880 look cheap.

Given how much other things have gone up in the last 20 years, you might be right.

crash2006
Feb and March is the turning point, the big one will not come till the end of the year, i see gold dropping too 750 but then shooting up.

Minos
I just have one question. On the day after the world ends, will I still be able to get some breakfast ? I can't start the day without some breakfast.

I got a sneaking suspicion that today will be like the other 1,000 odd days before - nothing much will happen.
bulltraderpt
QUOTE (thecrashingisles @ Jan 17 2008, 11:57 PM) *

Silly Bugger! laugh.gif
bulltraderpt
QUOTE (Minos @ Jan 18 2008, 08:09 AM) *
I just have one question. On the day after the world ends, will I still be able to get some breakfast ? I can't start the day without some breakfast.

I'd try another cereal if it makes you turn yellow and your eyes glaze over green.
Justice
Looks like i blinked and mist all the fun and all i got from the TV was about a plane crashing at heathrow.

must not panick the sheep i guess.

i'm starting to run out of storage room for my food supplies so what shoulod i do next


Minos
QUOTE (Justice @ Jan 18 2008, 08:47 AM) *
Looks like i blinked and mist all the fun and all i got from the TV was about a plane crashing at heathrow.

must not panick the sheep i guess.

i'm starting to run out of storage room for my food supplies so what shoulod i do next

Lock yourself in a dark room with no electricity, no internet connection etc and don't come out until all the food has been eaten. We'll be waiting to hear from you when you come back out.
Noel
QUOTE (The General @ Jan 17 2008, 11:38 PM) *
F***ing hell, I might start taking Prozac before i come to this board 8(

The fear is palpable in the City at the moment



Is it?
loafer
QUOTE (Noel @ Jan 18 2008, 09:33 AM) *
Is it?


People are worried about redundancies but not armageddon.

The monoline situation could be fixed in extremis by one call by the Fed - just nationalise and instead of it costing $250bn, it costs $10bn.

Simple really.
Noel
QUOTE (loafer @ Jan 18 2008, 09:45 AM) *
People are worried about redundancies but not armageddon.


Agreed
Goldfinger
QUOTE (loafer @ Jan 18 2008, 09:45 AM) *
People are worried about redundancies but not armageddon.

The monoline situation could be fixed in extremis by one call by the Fed - just nationalise and instead of it costing $250bn, it costs $10bn.

Simple really.

Exactly. How to cause a hyperinflation - Chapter 1.

They will do it. Read your Bernanke.
Sour Mash
QUOTE (loafer @ Jan 18 2008, 09:45 AM) *
People are worried about redundancies but not armageddon.

The monoline situation could be fixed in extremis by one call by the Fed - just nationalise and instead of it costing $250bn, it costs $10bn.

Simple really.


....and then the state becomes liable for effectively unlimited potential losses. Not good - there's a reason why the monolines are floundering.

What sort of government would be stupid enough to prop up an unviable financial enterprise and guarantee all its liabilities to the tune of unlimited billions? wink.gif


I think it'd be better for the banks who face being hurt by the fallout to inject some cash - if they have any to spare. But wasn't that why they were hoarding it in the Credit Crunch?
nowthenagain
I completely disagree with the article at the start of this thread regarding gold.

My interpretation of Bernanke yesterday was that the Fed is doing all it can do to NOT inflate it's way out of this crisis. With the data we've had since Christmas and the collapse of the DOW, how easy would it have been to announce an emergency rate cut? It's not happened! And Bernanke yesterday sounded like it's not going to happen. Hence the DOW falling further. This week has suprised me to be honest because before this I saw a rapid inflationary period in which the Fed slashed rates a la 2001. My mind has now been changed. I think they are scared of the falling $ and inflation so are going for a short sharp crunch. This will be deflationary and I think the action in Gold over recent days supports my view.

I am heavily short gold at 894. Originally this was simply hedging my physical gold position but now I am heavily short.
loafer
QUOTE (Goldfinger @ Jan 18 2008, 09:52 AM) *
Exactly. How to cause a hyperinflation - Chapter 1.

They will do it. Read your Bernanke.


You don't half talk alot of crap, Goldfinger.

It would simply prevent deflation, not create hyperinflation.

Minos
QUOTE (nowthenagain @ Jan 18 2008, 10:04 AM) *
I completely disagree with the article at the start of this thread regarding gold.

My interpretation of Bernanke yesterday was that the Fed is doing all it can do to NOT inflate it's way out of this crisis. With the data we've had since Christmas and the collapse of the DOW, how easy would it have been to announce an emergency rate cut? It's not happened! And Bernanke yesterday sounded like it's not going to happen. Hence the DOW falling further. This week has suprised me to be honest because before this I saw a rapid inflationary period in which the Fed slashed rates a la 2001. My mind has now been changed. I think they are scared of the falling $ and inflation so are going for a short sharp crunch. This will be deflationary and I think the action in Gold over recent days supports my view.

I am heavily short gold at 894. Originally this was simply hedging my physical gold position but now I am heavily short.

Fat and short. Not a very attractive proposition. You're not bald too are you ?
Wlad
QUOTE (Goldfinger @ Jan 17 2008, 11:38 PM) *
You'll be wiped out. As Sinclair says, gold will be the only insurance.


But where is it best to get this commodity from - i.e. somewhere that is reputable and won't default on payment in the future?
Wlad
So come black Wednesday gold only rose by 15%? That's not quite the same as the suggested doubling by Sinclair. Having some gold is not a bad idea, but I don't think gold is the solution to all ills (although silver does have some antiseptic properties tongue.gif )
Goldfinger
QUOTE (nowthenagain @ Jan 18 2008, 10:04 AM) *
I completely disagree with the article at the start of this thread regarding gold.

My interpretation of Bernanke yesterday was that the Fed is doing all it can do to NOT inflate it's way out of this crisis. With the data we've had since Christmas and the collapse of the DOW, how easy would it have been to announce an emergency rate cut? It's not happened! And Bernanke yesterday sounded like it's not going to happen. Hence the DOW falling further. This week has suprised me to be honest because before this I saw a rapid inflationary period in which the Fed slashed rates a la 2001. My mind has now been changed. I think they are scared of the falling $ and inflation so are going for a short sharp crunch. This will be deflationary and I think the action in Gold over recent days supports my view.

I am heavily short gold at 894. Originally this was simply hedging my physical gold position but now I am heavily short.

Has something hit you on the head?

Bernanke is at the place where he is because he is known as someone who thinks he could have avoided the Great Depression by reinflating the system. So, what the heck do you think he will do NOW that the Greater Depression seems to be starting?

And shorting gold with this volatily and rate cuts around the corner is just dangerous. Short term speculation. Might work, might not.
Goldfinger
QUOTE (loafer @ Jan 18 2008, 10:05 AM) *
You don't half talk alot of crap, Goldfinger.

It would simply prevent deflation, not create hyperinflation.

We'll see. If they find more and more black holes, and SWFs and sheiks don't want to make up for them anymore, they have to effectively create this money to make up for it. Since the sentiment changes, USD will flow back into the US at high speed as foreign investors get out of anything US. This will create a lot of inflation IMO.
Wlad
QUOTE (Goldfinger @ Jan 18 2008, 10:24 AM) *
We'll see. If they find more and more black holes, and SWFs and sheiks don't want to make up for them anymore, they have to effectively create this money to make up for it.


That would be avoiding deflation, though, not creating hyperinflation. I can see that there is a risk, though, of too much liquidity being created, with the attendant of the creation of another bubble (which got us into this mess) or inflation.

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USD will flow back into the US at high speed as foreign investors get out of anything US. This will create a lot of inflation IMO.


This sounds plausible, but that could happen if the Fed sits on its hands too.

So perhaps the worst case scenario is that the Fed puts in liquidity in some form to avoid deflation, just fails to stave off a recession, but then the rest of the world gives up on the dollar anyway, and there are more dollars to come home to roost than would have been the case if the Fed had done nothing. Returning the dollars would be a game of chicken - you wouldn't want to be the first to do it in case the dollar strengthened, but you also wouldn't want to be the last holding them either.
nowthenagain
QUOTE
Bernanke is at the place where he is because he is known as someone who thinks he could have avoided the Great Depression by reinflating the system. So, what the heck do you think he will do NOW that the Greater Depression seems to be starting?


Not cut rates. If he was going to slash rates as a way out we would have seen cuts already this year. I agree it's suprising given his helicopter reputation but the events are telling their own story.

At this stage a shock rate cut would cause more panic than it would cure. After his statement yesterday, just imagine what would happen if he then emerged today and cut by, say, 50 basis points? We would see true panic. It would indicate a Fed in dissarray.

I am betting he will not do this. If the Fed hold steady then I say markets will stabilise of their own accord. We will also see the Dollar firm up a little, which I am sure Bernanke/The US politically also dearly want.

The price of gold at the moment has built into it an expected helicopter reaction from the Fed. If/when this does not transpire we will see gold plummet, as it is just beginning to do now.

I'm not stupid. I realise I may be wrong and have a stop in place. So if I am wrong I lose a small amount but if I am right I make a large amount.
loafer
QUOTE (Goldfinger @ Jan 18 2008, 10:24 AM) *
We'll see. If they find more and more black holes, and SWFs and sheiks don't want to make up for them anymore, they have to effectively create this money to make up for it. Since the sentiment changes, USD will flow back into the US at high speed as foreign investors get out of anything US. This will create a lot of inflation IMO.


Are you saying inflation through devaluation of the dollar?

If so, perfectly possible, although not hyperinflation.

However last time I checked, it was pounds in my pocket so I can't see the relevance of localised currency led inflation.

I haven't seen any UK banks running to the SWFs, have you? BTW Northern Rock was about liqidity, not capital before you use that one...
Ursus Helvetica
QUOTE (Justice @ Jan 18 2008, 09:47 AM) *
Looks like i blinked and mist all the fun and all i got from the TV was about a plane crashing at heathrow.

must not panick the sheep i guess.

i'm starting to run out of storage room for my food supplies so what shoulod i do next

Start rotating them, eating the ones with the nearest sell by date. Here's a cheery tale of what happened in Argentina to keep you going:
http://www.frugalsquirrels.com/cgi-bin/ubb...=1;t=044387;p=1
Goldfinger
QUOTE (nowthenagain @ Jan 18 2008, 10:30 AM) *
Not cut rates. If he was going to slash rates as a way out we would have seen cuts already this year. I agree it's suprising given his helicopter reputation but the events are telling their own story.

So that they slashed them by 1% last year is not enough evidence?

The Fed is playing a dangerous game here. If they don't cut rates and one of the bond insurers gets downgraded at the same time, you could see all hell breaking loose.

I think they will cut soon. Not necessarily today or tomorrow. But they will cut.
hotairmail
QUOTE (loafer @ Jan 18 2008, 09:45 AM) *
People are worried about redundancies but not armageddon.

The monoline situation could be fixed in extremis by one call by the Fed - just nationalise and instead of it costing $250bn, it costs $10bn.

Simple really.


That is just rubbish.

Did you get that idea from the BBC's Robert Peston's blog?

What happens once the $10 billion is burnt through by default?

(Edited to add - sorry - was that irony?)
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