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nigwell
[quote name='cgnao' date='Aug 26 2007, 06:54 PM' post='744680']
If I knew exactly I would be richer than Warren Buffet. However not for long I think.

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That was my point: you do not know.
Breathless speculation is the nothing more than TEOTWAWKI prediction.

I have just discovered I have one and a half sovereigns so I'll be able to survive! wink.gif
Goldfinger
QUOTE(nigwell @ Aug 27 2007, 09:59 AM) *
I have just discovered I have one and a half sovereigns so I'll be able to survive! wink.gif

Nice try. Keep in mind, other people might have many more sovereigns than you. laugh.gif
nigwell
QUOTE(Goldfinger @ Aug 27 2007, 11:21 AM) *
Nice try. Keep in mind, other people might have many more sovereigns than you. laugh.gif


Undoubtably.

But you of all people should remember this, James Bond usually has 30 of them hidden in his suitcase and he manages to fly all around the world, stay in the top resorts and drink the best booze so what with your predicted gold rise my one and a half sovs should take care of my meagre needs adequately far at least a year.
alabala
QUOTE(BandWagon @ Aug 27 2007, 09:20 AM) *
So we get pictures of sharks and more cut-and-paste, but where's the news about credit derivatives?

Do any of the people posting here actually know the difference between a single-name cds and a cdo?

Hello????

Lets ask mr. Edward Cahill, for sure he knows better.
Goldfinger
QUOTE(alabala @ Aug 27 2007, 01:50 PM) *
Lets ask mr. Edward Cahill, for sure he knows better.

hmm, he didn't show up for our usual cup of coffee this morning... mad.gif ... laugh.gif
alabala
QUOTE
hmm, he didn't show up for our usual cup of coffee this morning


http://www.wilmott.com/blogs/satyajitdas/i...s--Credit-Crash
http://www.wilmott.com/blogs/satyajitdas/e...as(feb2007).pdf
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especially in structured credit, is “cool”.The synthetic credit market poses broad systemic risks - as we all know a “downturn” is not a
“recession” until you personally lose your job.
Goldfinger
QUOTE(alabala @ Aug 27 2007, 02:04 PM) *

Phantastic post, thank you. I understand this guy predicted exactly what we're seeing now. I think I will read the whole paper. Let's see what else he has predicted... ph34r.gif
EDIT: I couldn't print that PDF, BTW.
cgnao
Mark this date, as it is the beginning of the hyperinflation that will destroy the USD and the international monetary system.

http://www.banknet360.com/news/NewsAbstrac...id=1&bi_id=
New York Fed Will Take Asset-Backed Commercial Paper As Collateral
Posted by Riley McDermid on Aug 27 2007 06:29:06 PDT
The Federal Reserve Bank of New York said Sunday that it will allow banks to use asset-backed commercial paper as collateral under its new discount window rules.

The new standard could allow banks to use a broader range of collateral and may encourage them to take advantage of the discount window more quickly.

Goldfinger
cgnao, asset-backed paper had been accepted before. In what way is this different from what they have done before? I mean, in what sense has the accepted collateral now been broadened? Is it that we are talking commercial debt rather than mortgage-backed ones?
nigwell
Alabala - a great read! Particularly enjoyed the 'super long DONG' and the Gene Hackman quote as well as this gem:-

"The market uses a Gaussian copula to model credit correlation. The rocket scientists are copula-ing away excitedly. Bystanders need to be wary in case they get copula-ed accidentally."

Does this stuff count as asset backed paper though?
Goldfinger
QUOTE(nigwell @ Aug 27 2007, 02:59 PM) *
Alabala - a great read! Particularly enjoyed the 'super long DONG' and the Gene Hackman quote as well as this gem:-

"The market uses a Gaussian copula to model credit correlation. The rocket scientists are copula-ing away excitedly. Bystanders need to be wary in case they get copula-ed accidentally."

Does this stuff count as asset backed paper though?

Copulae are somewhat a joke. A copula is just a way to describe dependencies in a multidimensional distribution. This was just another marketing-gimmick for something that is known for ages. So, which of these copulae predicted the AAA to junk plunges we've seen recently with an (in retrospect) aproppriate confidence level?
BandWagon
QUOTE(Goldfinger @ Aug 27 2007, 02:49 PM) *
cgnao, asset-backed paper had been accepted before. In what way is this different from what they have done before? I mean, in what sense has the accepted collateral now been broadened? Is it that we are talking commercial debt rather than mortgage-backed ones?

I wouldn't ask this guy.
He barely knows the difference between 4 trillion and 120 trillion, let alone the difference between a cds and a cdo.
alabala
QUOTE(Goldfinger @ Aug 27 2007, 02:18 PM) *
Phantastic post, thank you. I understand this guy predicted exactly what we're seeing now. I think I will read the whole paper. Let's see what else he has predicted... ph34r.gif
EDIT: I couldn't print that PDF, BTW.

It was confusing as CFOs also stood for Chief Fraud Officers
I am waiting for the UFO (Unspecified Fund Obligation) a tranched portfolio of unknown assets designed as a surprise for the investor.
“Courageous Proclivity for Dangerous Overleveraging”
The rating agencies rated the CPDO ‘AAA’ (as close to divinity as rating agencies allow)
You couldn’t stay in. You couldn’t get out. CDOs quickly came to stand for “Crisis in Debt Obligations”.
How much of the profits made by the dealers from the trades would be clawed back in court actions? The traders had made their killings.
Alternatively, some event will occur – this is the one in 10,000 year event that occurs once each year in markets
HSBC(proud buyers of Household Finance)
nigwell
QUOTE(Goldfinger @ Aug 27 2007, 03:02 PM) *
Copulae are somewhat a joke. A copula is just a way to describe dependencies in a multidimensional distribution. This was just another marketing-gimmick for something that is known for ages. So, which of these copulae predicted the AAA to junk plunges we've seen recently with an (in retrospect) aproppriate confidence level?



In fact my question about the asset backed paper referred back to your question: ie is the NY bank going to accept CDOs and their ilk as assets or does it refer to the more normal direct link back to physical assets such as stock, machinery, leases and property etc. If the former, then they are totally removing moral hazard - (A Greenspan put?) - if the latter, back to olden style banking.

I couldn't see the end of the world as we know it in the NY Feds statement. Did I miss somehting?
alabala
QUOTE(Goldfinger @ Aug 27 2007, 02:18 PM) *
EDIT: I couldn't print that PDF, BTW.

http://rapidshare.com/files/51630526/satyajitdas.doc.html
.doc

http://rapidshare.com/files/51631192/satyajitdas.pdf.html
.pdf - no restrictions.
Catflap
QUOTE(alabala @ Aug 27 2007, 02:04 PM) *


Thanks for the above link - best thing I've read so far to try and understand this financial alchemy. Anyone interested in the whole credit crunch/sub-prime debacle who does'nt really understand how it all works should take the time to read this in full, as it's worth it. These 2 paragraphs really caught my attention to make me realise how out-of-hand the whole thing has really got:

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CDO2 offer higher returns to the investor by increasing leverage. It allows dealers to rid themselves of residual positions from previous transactions or inventory. No one agrees on how to model and analyse CDO2 transaction. There is overlap risk – the same names may be present in the original CDOs. If the underlying CDO is actively managed then the underlying risk may change. You have no idea exactly who you are taking a risk on. CDO2 are known as “RussianDolls”. You keep taking out the dolls one by one. Then, there is nothing there.

A former colleague and I sat through an evangelical presentation on CDO2. My colleague from yesteryear leaned across and asked seriously: “Isn’t this is how you get BSE (mad cow’s disease)? We are now on to CDO3 or CDO Cubed (A CDO of a CDO of a CDO). This is a re-resecuritisation. I am waiting for the UFO (Unspecified Fund Obligation) a tranched portfolio of unknown assets designed as a surprise for the investor.

cgnao
QUOTE(BandWagon @ Aug 27 2007, 02:13 PM) *
I wouldn't ask this guy.
He barely knows the difference between 4 trillion and 120 trillion, let alone the difference between a cds and a cdo.


Default in one derivative category will spread to every other derivative category. $4 Trillion is the fuse, $120 Trillion is the bomb.

Please review

http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/ind...showtopic=52560

Protect yourself.
cgnao
QUOTE(Goldfinger @ Aug 27 2007, 01:49 PM) *
cgnao, asset-backed paper had been accepted before. In what way is this different from what they have done before? I mean, in what sense has the accepted collateral now been broadened? Is it that we are talking commercial debt rather than mortgage-backed ones?


This toxic waste has no value; nobody will ever bid for it, so the FED lends against it. These loans will be rolled over ad infinitum, which translates in a permanent increase in the money supply, which by immutable economic law is inflationary. Given the enormous amounts involved, hyperinflation will result. This is 100% correct, guaranteed.
cgnao
Monetization gathering pace.

http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/i...27?rpc=401&
NEW YORK, Aug 27 (Reuters) - The U.S. Federal Reserve said on Monday it added $9.5 billion of temporary reserves to the banking system via a 10-day repurchase agreement.

As collateral for the operation, the Fed accepted $6.21 billion of mortgage-backed securities, $3.16 billion of agency debt and $131 million of Treasuries.

Total bids submitted were $50.15 billion, the Fed said.
Catflap
QUOTE(alabala @ Aug 27 2007, 04:11 PM) *


Ta - I'll try and read them as well ohmy.gif
Goldfinger
QUOTE(alabala @ Aug 27 2007, 03:43 PM) *

Sorry, still appears as rubbish on my computer. Well, I'll read the original file without printing it then.
cgnao
Deafening silence from the Fatherland.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/42174b7a-54c2-11...00779fd2ac.html
German banks remain silent after warning
By Richard Milne in Frankfurt
Published: August 27 2007 18:37 | Last updated: August 27 2007 18:37

German banks, locked in a crisis over the fallout from volatile credit markets, have adopted a curious strategy over their increasing image problem: silence.

After the head of a regional bank warned that the situation of German banks was critical as some foreign banks were refusing to lend to them, top executives at other financial institutions have decided to gag themselves.

“Given the situation in the financial markets, the main commercial banks have decided to refrain from commenting in public on the general market situation,” said an e-mail from the head of communications at Dresdner Bank to journalists to explain why its chief executive was cancelling a meeting.

The association of German banks, the BdB, which represents the main commercial institutions, was keen to underline that there was no formal ban on executives speaking out. But an official said: “The banks have said they don’t want to cause any more uncertainty by speaking out.”
vfr
we're getting it from both sides of the atlantic now. the bets are on for huge falls in the DJ in september as reported on cnbc

http://www.cnbc.com/id/20461003
Goldfinger
QUOTE(cgnao @ Aug 27 2007, 07:45 PM) *
Deafening silence from the Fatherland.
...
The association of German banks, the BdB, which represents the main commercial institutions, was keen to underline that there was no formal ban on executives speaking out. But an official said: “The banks have said they don’t want to cause any more uncertainty by speaking out.”

So, anything a banker could say could add to uncertainty. Hmmm, why is everyone so afraid?
bleakhouse
I wonder if the problem with the German Banks could be to do with Brussels, who would look most unkindly on further bailouts which they might deem illegal subsidies of national industries.

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,502289,00.html

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Es war Soforthilfe in Milliardenhöhe und sie ist der EU ein Dorn im Auge. Brüssel wittert bei den Notkrediten für die SachsenLB unerlaubte staatliche Beihilfen - und fordert deshalb nähere Informationen der Bundesregierung. Die aber schweigt bisher


Anyway, the article agrees that the German banks are staying stumm.
Goldfinger
QUOTE(bleakhouse @ Aug 27 2007, 09:22 PM) *
I wonder if the problem with the German Banks could be to do with Brussels, who would look most unkindly on further bailouts which they might deem illegal subsidies of national industries.

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,502289,00.html
Anyway, the article agrees that the German banks are staying stumm.

That's just ridiculous. The whole central/reserve banking system is a "unerlaubte staatliche Beihilfe". Wait only til Spain goes bankrupt. We'll see a lot of "Beihilfen" then. laugh.gif
The Ayatollah Bugheri
Brussels has no problem with state subsidies to industries, legal or otherwise (e.g. without them, Alitalia would have taken what pilots euphemistically call a Controlled Flight Into Terrain years ago), as long as the industries in question aren't British.
alabala
more on CDO & CDS.
http://www.frbatlanta.org/news/conferen/07...7FMC_mengle.pdf
Credit Derivatives: An Overview
David Mengle, Head of Research
International Swaps and Derivatives Association

http://www.bba.org.uk/content/1/c4/76/71/C...xec_summary.pdf
BBA Credit Derivatives
Report 2006

http://www.actuaries.org.uk/files/pdf/life...es_20060126.pdf
Credit Derivatives
Report by the Derivatives Working Party

http://www.naider.com/upload/imf%20the%20credit%20risk.pdf
The Credit Risk Transfer Market and Stability
Implications for U.K. Financial Institutions

http://www.banque-france.fr/gb/publication.../etud1_0605.pdf
The CDO market
Functioning and implications in terms of financial stability

http://www.securitization.net/pdf/Publications/IMF_Mar06.pdf
THE INFLUENCE OF CREDIT DERIVATIVE AND
STRUCTURED CREDIT MARKETS ON FINANCIAL STABILITY

http://www.math.ust.hk/~maykwok/courses/MA...CDOHandbook.pdf
CDO Handbook


http://www.wilmott.com/messageview.cfm?cat...amp;STARTPAGE=2
Goldfinger
http://www.jsmineset.com/
QUOTE
Posted On: Monday, August 27, 2007, 3:04:00 PM EST

The Hidden Reality

Author: Jim Sinclair




Dear CIGAs,

People do not have a clue what is really happening. All the talk everywhere, even by well placed people without a bone to grind politically and economically, keep calling this a failure in sub prime loans. This is presented as if securitized bonds (with the assumption that the collateral for the bonds were mortgages themselves) has lost all its value. This is not the case. What is worthless is a the mix of credit and default derivatives that make up the vast majority of many instruments held by financial and commercial paper dealing entities, both private and public.

Even if you forget that the economic figures recently released are whoppers and take them at face value as commentators are, you still have to ask why the equities market fails to do better. The answer is simple. Rallies in the equities are presently being supplied by those that understand the grave nature of the present problem.

This is why the attitude of the Fed is not commensurate with the gravity of the global problem being caused by the meltdown in credit and default derivatives.

If it was simple mortgages it isn’t apparent because as bad as the mortgage market is they have not all failed simultaneously as if all sub prime mortgage holders have been foreclosed on at once. That alone should give you a hint that the problem is not the advertised, but much larger.

The Fed altering their banking regulations has to give you a hint that the problem is not the advertised problem, but much larger.

The financial difficulty going global has to give you a hint that the problem is not the advertised problem, but much larger.

When you see bank after bank needing liquidity in substantial amounts, this has to give you a hint that the problem is not the advertised problem, but much larger


The hope for every central bank is that the real problem can be kept from public view. The truth is the public, even professionals in Wall Street, have no clue what the problem is. They know it has something to do with derivatives, but none realize it is a more than $20 trillion dollar mountain of unfunded, unregulated paper that has just been discovered to not have a market and therefore any real value.

This is why I have suggested you plan for the worst and hope for the best. Taking cautionary action before a problem occurs only requires some of your time. If you wait and try to clean up the mess after a problem happens usually there is no action that can be taken.

When the US dollar realizes the seriousness of this situation, be that now or sometime soon, the bottom will drop out.

The dominos are falling and only a few really know why. Sometimes I wish I did not understand derivatives. I would certainly be held in better light.
Goldfinger
Heli-Ben.
DissipatedYouthIsValuable
QUOTE(Goldfinger @ Aug 27 2007, 03:02 PM) *
Copulae are somewhat a joke. A copula is just a way to describe dependencies in a multidimensional distribution. This was just another marketing-gimmick for something that is known for ages. So, which of these copulae predicted the AAA to junk plunges we've seen recently with an (in retrospect) aproppriate confidence level?


If you think copulae are a joke, you should see the state of their kurtosis.
Goldfinger
QUOTE(DissipatedYouthIsValuable @ Aug 27 2007, 10:47 PM) *
If you think copulae are a joke, you should see the state of their kurtosis.

You better get some golds before it is too late. laugh.gif
alabala
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...&refer=home
Hedge-Fund Guy Atones for His Subprime Bond Sins: Mark Gilbert
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-- Dear investor, we'd like to take this opportunity to update you on the recent performance of our hedge fund, Short-Term Capital Mismanagement LLP.

As you know, market selection for the entire fund is guided by a proprietary investing tool we like to call ``a dartboard.'' Once the asset classes are decided, individual security selections are generated by digitizing our unique hexagonal cuboid models.

Unfortunately, it transpires that our hexagonal cuboids are not as unique as we thought. Hundreds of other hedge funds possess identical dice. The technical term for this is a ``crowded trade.'' You may also see it referred to as ``climbing on a bandwagon already headed for the wall.''

As our alpha generation collapses, our beta has turned negative, our delta hedging has gone toxic and, trust me, you do not want to hear about our gamma. We can't even find our epsilons in the dark with both hands.

You will appreciate that accurate pricing is essential for evaluating our investment strategies. This has proven to be extremely challenging in recent days. Previously, we have relied on Bob, the sales guy at Hokey-Cokey Bank. Bob assured us the securities were still worth 100 percent of face value, so everything was cool. Bob sold the collateralized debt obligations to us in the first place, so he knows what he's talking about.

Bob, however, appears to have had a nervous breakdown, judging by the maniacal laughter that greeted our requests for price verification this week. Our efforts to implement an in- house CDO valuation framework, using a technique the ancients knew as ``making things up,'' proved unsatisfactory.

Where's the Bid?

Currently, all of the portfolios we manage are undergoing a rigorous screening known as ``crossing our fingers and praying that we don't have to try and find a bid in the market.'' This is supplemented by a cross-market statistical analysis originally developed by the U.S. military called ``don't ask, don't tell.'' This ``unmarking-to-unmarket'' procedure has been the benchmark for the hedge-fund industry for the past, ooh, 72 hours.

We have, of course, been in touch with the rating companies to update our default-probability scenarios, particularly on the AAA rated investments we own. They recommended a forecasting method using stochastics to regress the drift-to-downgrade timescales for the past 100 years and throw them forward for the next five minutes. The technical term for this is ``induction,'' though those of you of a less quantitative bent may know it as ``guessing.''

AAA or Toast?

We are pleased to report that, contrary to what current market prices might suggest, all of our top-rated securities remain absolutely AAA. Provided, that is, the future performance of the underlying collateral is identical to its history. Otherwise, the rating companies say our investments are likely to be reclassified as ``toast.''

We have also been checking our back-up credit lines with our friends in the investment-banking world. As soon as they return our calls, we'll be able to update you on our emergency liquidity position. We are sure they are fine.

Some of you have written to us asking for your money back, citing clauses in the fund documentation called redemption rights. Frankly, we never expected you to actually read that prospectus, which came prepackaged when we bought the Microsoft Hedge-Fund Guy software. We certainly have no idea what all those long words mean.

We have filed your letters in a special drawer in the filing cabinet marked ``trash'' for now. Do you have any idea how much trouble you all would be in if we actually sold this stuff in the market today? At these crazy prices? Fuhgeddaboudit. You'll thank us later.

Not a Rescue

Speaking of crazy prices, we know you'll be thrilled to learn that we've invited a bunch of our rich pals into the fund to participate in this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. But this is not a rescue. Do not even think the word rescue. This is an opportunity. Not a rescue. An opportunity.

In fact, we think this is such a fantastic opportunity, we've agreed to forgo our usual management fee, and we'll only take half our usual slice of the profits. Provided there are any profits to slice. You, of course, are absolutely invited to participate in this offer by sending us yet more of your money on exactly the same revised terms as our rich pals.

Finally, a word for all of you who have been kind enough to inquire about my personal financial situation. I am relieved to report that my directors and officers insurance is fully paid up. Furthermore, my Bentley Continental was paid out of the 2 percent fee we levied when you wrote your first check to us, so I will still be able to trundle into the parking lot each morning in an open-necked shirt to ignore your telephone calls and e-mails. Yours, Hedge-Fund Guy.


laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
DissipatedYouthIsValuable
QUOTE(Goldfinger @ Aug 27 2007, 10:55 PM) *
You better get some golds before it is too late. laugh.gif


It is possible to buy Palladium coins too, you know, but I'll try to convince my girlfriend that sovereign based jewelry is back in.
Goldfinger
QUOTE(DissipatedYouthIsValuable @ Aug 27 2007, 11:15 PM) *
It is possible to buy Palladium coins too, you know, but I'll try to convince my girlfriend that sovereign based jewelry is back in.

Well, well, I hope the grocer and the guy in the pawnshop could tell it's palladium and not just stainless steel. laugh.gif
DissipatedYouthIsValuable
QUOTE(Goldfinger @ Aug 27 2007, 11:39 PM) *
Well, well, I hope the grocer and the guy in the pawnshop could tell it's palladium and not just stainless steel. laugh.gif


The guy in the pawnshop who will exchange my gold for fiat currency?
Goldfinger
QUOTE(DissipatedYouthIsValuable @ Aug 27 2007, 11:46 PM) *
The guy in the pawnshop who will exchange my gold for fiat currency?

Which you will immediately exchange for whatever you need to live at that stage (since they're too stupid in the supermarket to accept gold). But then, maybe they won't.
alabala
http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi-bi...d=ww2010.weblog
Quite Funny, ha - ha funny.
Matt Bear
Barclays Denies Exposure to Sachsen

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/08/28/ap4061846.html
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Two of the vehicles Barclays arranged - Golden Key and Mainsail II - have collapsed after breaching the terms of their structures. They are in the process of winding down and have started selling their assets at a loss.

The other two - Sachsen Funding I and Cairn High Grade Funding I - are on the verge of collapsing, according to ratings agencies, and are seeking to restructure.

The spokesman said Tuesday that no backup financing has been extended to Sachsen Funding I, and that he couldn't immediately comment on the status of Cairn High Grade Funding's liquidity line of around $442 million.

The Barclays Capital spokesman also said he couldn't immediately comment on whether Barclays had extended any funding to Golden Key before it started to wind down. The size of its liquidity facility was around $1.35 billion.

Solent Capital, the manager of the fourth vehicle, Mainsail II, last week said it had asked Barclays to tap its liquidity facility but the request was denied and it had to start selling assets.
cgnao
It won't work. The only result will be hyperinflation.

http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSP...r=1&sp=true
Subprime inflicts new damage, banks seek cash
Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:34PM EDT
NEW YORK/LONDON (Reuters) - New evidence of damage wrought by the U.S. mortgage sector surfaced in the United States and Europe on Wednesday while banks demanded a record amount of cash at a euro zone money market auction.

The European Central Bank lent out 50 billion euros for 91 days, but with banks bidding for a total of 119.75 billion euros, strong demand pushed up the cost. Later in the day the Federal Reserve added $5.25 billion in temporary reserves to the banking system through overnight repurchase agreements.
Goldfinger
Has anyone a plot of the ECB and the Fed reserves of recently?
cgnao
JPMorgan, the biggest derivative player on earth, need exemption from Federal Reserve regulations.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/le...c/20070820c.pdf
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This is in response to the request by JPMorgan Chase & Co, New York, New York, for an exemption from section 23A of the Federal Reserve Act and the Board's Regulation W. The exemption would allow JPMorgan Chase & Co.'s subsidiary bank, JPMorgan Chase, National Association ("Bank"), New York, New York, to engage in certain securities financing transactions with its affiliate, J.P.Morgan Securities Inc. LLC ("Affiliated Broker-Dealer"), New York, New York, as described below.
Goldfinger
QUOTE(cgnao @ Aug 29 2007, 09:25 PM) *
JPMorgan, the biggest derivative player on earth, need exemption from Federal Reserve regulations.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/le...c/20070820c.pdf

Deeep doo-doo.
kilroy
QUOTE(Goldfinger @ Aug 29 2007, 09:46 PM) *
Deeep doo-doo.

I make that three with 23A exemption. BofA and Wachovia slipped theirs in on Friday evening after close.
cgnao
Another one bites the dust. Funds like these were heavily financed by investment banks with huge leveraging. When the trickle becomes a flood, the monetary system will quickly collapse regardless of central bank intervention.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/bdd55c94-566a-11...00779fd2ac.html
Basis Capital fund insolvent

By James Mackintosh

Published: August 29 2007 22:54 | Last updated: August 29 2007 22:54

A troubled hedge fund run by Australia’s Basis Capital is insolvent and has appointed liquidators to wind it up in the Cayman Islands, according to court filings.

The Basis Yield Alpha Fund – until recently one of Australia’s best-rated hedge funds – collapsed after investments linked to US subprime mortgages went sour and Wall Street banks seized assets to cover debts.
Jekyll
Word is that it's no accident Countrywide received a $2bn bailout around the same time the four US banks drew down $500m from the Fed.

Looks like the Fed indirectly came to the rescue of the largest US mortgage lender.
Goldfinger
QUOTE(Jekyll @ Aug 29 2007, 11:57 PM) *
Word is that it's no accident Countrywide received a $2bn bailout around the same time the four US banks drew down $500m from the Fed.

Looks like the Fed indirectly came to the rescue of the largest US mortgage lender.

Any hard evidence for that?
cgnao
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/busi...icle2350919.ece
August 30, 2007
Landesbanks at risk as WestLB becomes latest to show strains
One of Germany’s most venerable financial institutions, the state-owned Landesbank, is beginning to crumble from within. It could signal a sea change in the way that Germany does business.

After the crisis at SachsenLB - soon to be swallowed up by the Landesbank of Baden-Württemberg - and the IKB Deutsche Industrie-bank, the German Government is nervous. Both banks were hit by the US sub-prime mortgage crisis and Berlin fears that the corrosion runs deep. “We really have to improve our supervision,” Michael Glos, the Economics Minister, said.

Bankers in Düsseldorf shared that anxiety yesterday, cutting short their lunches to return to the office and catch up on the gossip as yet another Landesbank started to wobble. “WestLB is on the block,” one said, “and there are a lot of jobs at stake.”
Jekyll
QUOTE(Goldfinger @ Aug 29 2007, 11:58 PM) *
Any hard evidence for that?

No.

Neat coincide though isn't it?

Perhaps sheds some light on the relaxation of intra-group limits though for the same group of banks. If the Fed is targeting support at particular institutions this action opens up the channels to do so.
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