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DrBubb
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I find this intriguing


Dr.Rinehart has done alot of cyclical work to arrive at this forecast,
and it believable.

Over the next few weeks, a range of $400-430 seems possible,
followed by a push up around yearend. January is often a good month
for gold, and if we are stuck in the $400-430 range for several weeks,
that would be likely IMO

Here's DrR's comment:
"Chart shows the predicted price of Gold thru 2008 based on assuming a linear trend line with the current cycles in Gold. There should be a strong push upwards in the price of gold from Dec 2004 thru April/May 2005 followed by a sideways trading pattern with an upward bias. The real fun starts after June/July 2006 with the bottom of the huge 86-month cycle in gold. A number of longwave cycles will form a bottom in this timeframe leading to a Mega-Bull Market in the price of Gold (and Silver). Also, it is possible “political events in mid-2006 (Iran/North Korea?)” could also support a gold rush. The Commercials also know this is coming and they are not about to step in front of the train they have been riding all along. Now everybody knows what is coming? Got gold? Now, if they can just fend off GATA for another 18 months – the problem may disappear. “Houston, we are completing refueling of Apollo Gold at this time – all systems are Go for Launch. You may start the Launch Sequence in Dec 2004.” Eighteen…Seventeen….Sixteen….
Van
Bloody hell. Does Dr Reinhart have a crystal ball or a time machine? I know what I'll be researching in the coming weeks...
DrBubb
Van,

FOR GOLD:
a number of indicators that i watch have suggested...

A low in August, rally in October, sideways/down for two months,
and a sharp rally beginning sometime in December

Watch for a move here to test $430 high.
I guess it will hold, and then be broken in a surge starting in Dec.

I also think the dollar can hold its levels for another few weeks,
before crashing
Lou G
Dr Bubb,
May I ask, in your opinion, how is the best way to invest in gold please.
I was talking to my father this week with regard to investing in gold. He use to buy Kugerands many years ago but told me not to bother investing in gold as he thought we had missed the boat so to speak. He does not invest in gold now.
Appreciate any advice you can offer,
Best Regards,
Louise..
housepricepooper
QUOTE(Lou G @ Oct 17 2004, 07:59 PM)
Dr Bubb,
May I ask, in your opinion, how is the best way to invest in gold please.
I was talking to my father this week with regard to investing in gold. He use to buy Kugerands many years ago but told me not to bother investing in gold as he thought we had missed the boat so to speak.  He does not invest in gold now.
Appreciate any advice you can offer,
Best Regards,
Louise..
*


Hi I can't advise you I am afraid but 2 possible routes smile.gif are via the Merrill Lynch Gold and General Fund or via the CF Ruffer Baker Steel Gold Fund

Both can be reviewed on the web and even invested vis the web I think.

A
Lou G
Thank you.
DrBubb
The "best" way to invest will depend on your circumstances, risk appetite,
and the amount of time you have to devote. I dont know any of those
things about you.

For me, it is through investing in Junior Gold mining & exploration shares:

1/ I have substantial means, and can afford the risks,

2/ I have been at the game over over a decade, and know where many of the pitfalls lie,

3/ I have contacts with mining executives, and can meet face-to-face with those who run the companies that I invest in

4/ I diversify, not putting more than 10% of my capital into a single stock (apart for the very rare exception)

5/ I have the time to devote to following the market, and researching the individual companies that I am interested in

- -

Some sources of info:

Kitco website
Financial Sense
Goldstock website, see the Links
DrBubb
A BREAKOUT is certainly possible / Next week should be interesting



UpdatedWeeklyChart
BBB
DB

great thread DB,some real good info. what i ask you here is out of genuine interest, and genuine ignorance. having always lost money on any investments other than property you can hopefully appreciate my questions.

how come in early 88 the price of gold was actually quite a bit higher than it is now?




also the value of gold has gone up an awful lot over recent years , so why would it keep pushing up? is it not a bubble in itself? especially being as though it does'nt really have much use other than jewellery and semi conducting.


i'm the sort of person who would stick a good few k in it and before you know it be left with tons of the stuff @ $250 an ounce, you must admit the five year chart looks pretty ripe, why do you feel it would'nt do an ''a la' 88 dive''?




regards BBB.
willf
Trite answer is demand and supply.

Trouble with gold is there is no "dividend", so capital growth/ store of value is your only long term strategy. Can't advise you on whether to invest or not, but can share with you a ramble of the most significant factors as I see them.

Currencies have been the big diversion in terms of store of value for past 20 years, with USD as the main paper of choice. Trouble with USD is that US has $500bn trade deficit and as Dollars are only legal tender in US, so whether foreigners continue holding them is entirely dependant on confidence in the dollar. Hence dollar vulnerable to a correction.

Another reason gold shoots up is uncertainty. It's a good guard against inflation, and for US investors a good guard against fall in USD. For UK investors however, gold is generally quoted in USD so you have to bear in mind this currency risk.

Supply of gold does increase slowly as more is mined out of the ground, but demand is increasing at a faster pace.

Some would tell you that gold is greatest as a medium of exchange, as it's the only comparable "token" which isn't simultaneously someone else's liability. But main factor is strength of the dollar. If this goes down people will panic and move funds elsewhere. Where? Anyone's guess. But gold generally does well during the bleaker times.

Most of what I know I've picked up with help of http://www.dailyreckoning.com (no connection with me).

Will
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BayAreaBear
If you want exposure to the metal rather than gold miners you can now purchase Gold Bullion Securities (GBS) on the LSE. Each share represents 0.1 oz Gold stored in a warehouse. Much more convenient than buying Krugs
DrBubb
How to invest?
I buy gold shares rather than Gold.
They do tend to trade like in-the-money Call options on gold.

Here are some good link for Chart updates:
Kitco
Goldstock

...and a HOT chatboard: CanuckDave's
-- -- --

LONGER TERM Perspective:

GOLD=$500 Here we come?

Chart with Channels


My reading?:
If we break $430, we may move towards $480-500 fast
Swervin Mervyn
QUOTE(BayAreaBear @ Nov 3 2004, 08:35 PM)
If you want exposure to the metal rather than gold miners you can now purchase Gold Bullion Securities (GBS) on the LSE.  Each share represents 0.1 oz Gold stored in a warehouse.  Much more convenient than buying Krugs
*



Excuse my ignorance here, but GBS listed on the LSE tracks the price of a tenth of an ounce (teenth:-) From this I presume the price is in US$ and fluctuations in the exchange rate have to be taken in a decision to buy?
DrBubb
One Tenth of an Gold Ounce..

Can be priced in whatever currency you like

see also; GoldMoney
Van
Gold closed at $432.90 yesterday, presumably on news that the Dollar has hit a new low against the Euro.

Is this the long anticipated breakthrough?

I think another interesting week lies ahead.
DrBubb
INVEST in Junior Companies
... But first understand the RISK

JIM PUPLAVA on...
Dillution... Pumping & Dumping

Keeping shareholder dilution to a minimum can impact investment returns in a major way. Companies should either negotiate better terms from the start with their brokerage firm or renegotiate the terms as the project is developed and the risks are removed from the property. It is better to negotiate fair and equitable terms from the start. If that can’t be done, the company should try and break away and secure better terms from an investment bank, fund managers, or large private investor/shareholders. This is possible if the project is economical or if the property has been drilled enough to remove most of the geological and metallurgy risks. The other possibility is the depth and reputation of management. An experienced, proven, and reputable management team can often negotiate favorable terms right out of the gate when going public.

Pump, Dump, and Short Cycle

There is another aspect to the finance cycle that most investors—and in many cases junior mining executives—may not be aware of. This is the pump, dump, and short operations conducted by some of the brokerage firms that underwrite junior exploration companies.

On a daily and weekly basis, there are numerous financings that come to the market. Most of these companies will never make it, despite the high hopes of the founders and the brokerage firms that take them public. The odds of a junior mining company making it into actual production are about 1 in 2,000. Many of these companies will survive by either consolidating, locating another property, or starting the process over again. In addition to the high risks involved in exploring for gold and silver, generally there aren’t enough buyers to absorb all of the selling that comes into the market from new financings. This is where the pump, dump, and short cycle comes into play.

The Pump
In order to sell shares to the public, the brokerage firm will promote the new offering with a high degree of hype in order to induce investors to buy into the offering. Once the offering is complete, the mining company now has the funds to begin drilling and exploring for gold. As drill results start to come in, enthusiasm for the stock heightens. With most investors having little understanding of how to read a drill or assay report, they tend to get overly hyped. The brokers tend to get everyone excited and talking about the stock. Often the hype can build into a frenzy with the new company being" talked up" as the next big mining play because of their discovery of the “The Dream and Fantasy Mine.” At this point enthusiasm for the stock is at a peak and the brokerage firm that sponsored the company starts unloading their broker shares, which they received as a fee for doing the financing. These shares are acquired at a very low cost. Since many of these shares are acquired on an option basis, the firm can sell the shares as broker warrants as their inducement to do the financing. So these are shares that can be easily sold into the market, because there is very little cost associated with the shares. The brokerage firm has no cash at risk. It is pure profit.

The Dump
The brokerage firm takes advantage of the enthusiasm and hype as an opportune time to unload their shares to an unsuspecting public. Investors at this time are caught up in all of the hype, believing they are going to make a fortune in the stock. That enthusiasm by the public creates demand for the shares, which are unusually bid up in spectacular fashion. Eventually, the brokerage firm has sold enough shares to absorb all of the buying and the stock starts to crater with individual investors losing big money. The brokerage firm may also begin to spin the firm’s biggest clients out of the stock in preparation for selling them the next “Penny Dreadful” (the firm’s next offering).

During the pump phase of operations, a penny stock can often climb to heights in the market that can mesmerize investors with thoughts of making large fortunes. The brokerage firm and its brokers are talking the stock up and talk on the street can fuel a stock rally that resembles the Internet boom in the U.S. in the late 90’s. However, during this time as the stock price gets elevated through hype, the company’s management—along with the brokerage firm and large shareholders who acquired their stock earlier at lower prices—use this opportunity to dump their shares. Eventually the news starts to fade, the price of the shares start to fall, and small investors, who bought into the market at the top on hype, are stuck with high prices shares.

In some cases the pump and dump operations are conducted in collusion with the brokerage house that took the company public.

If it is a reputable company with good prospects, an investor simply needs to hold and ride the cycle out. Eventually, more drill results and favorable news on the company will help to elevate the shares again as the company expands its drilling operations with successful results. However, this does not always happen. Most drilling will result in some degree of mineralization—most of it will not be worth much. It may simply be iron ore, which is worth less than actual gold, silver or other base minerals. The hype was over the possibility of finding large gold and silver deposits. The company may find some gold and silver, but it may be so small or uneconomical that it is virtually worthless.

The Short
In addition to pumping and dumping a stock, a brokerage house will often begin shorting the stock after a brief time period following the initial financing. They do this to make money. They sell the stock short into the hype phase when the price of the stock is rising and investor demand is at its peak. Eventually, enough selling comes into the stock to absorb all buying and the stock then begins to fall due to additional selling pressure. The brokerage house will stop talking up the stock and eventually the news dries up and the stock craters. At this point, they will quietly start buying shares and cover their short position at a nice profit from disappointed investors who, are now selling their high-priced shares at a lower price.

Some brokerage firms make more money shorting the shares of companies they underwrite than what they actually made in financing the company. It is all part of the business and the brokerage house makes money on either side of the trade. In Vancouver, the mindset of some brokerage firms is based on failure. Most of the junior mining companies that are taken public will never reach production. The vast majority of companies will fail. Given the odds of failure, brokerage firms have found it more profitable to bet on failure than to bet on success. The simple fact is that most junior mining companies will fail or never reach the production stage. Even then, very few companies will ever become profitable as most mines don’t make money.

Only a very small group of companies ever break out of the pack or the vicious pump, dump, and short cycle. Those that do are the real winners and they are rare. Finding these companies is not an easy job, which is why most advisors recommend buying a large basket of juniors to protect and diversify a portfolio. All you need is one spectacular company to make up for all of the ones that don’t work out. Because of the high degree of failure of most junior mining companies and the shenanigans that take place in the finance cycle, an investor is better off investing in a mutual fund or dealing with a knowledgeable advisor.

...MORE: Financial Sense article
DrBubb
Gold at $438 today.

Mining shares (esp.Juniors) looking GOOOOD in North American trading
Van
Gold now @ 446. Greenspan practically conceeds "The dollar is F****D".

Post election euphoria is fast receeding. DJIA down 1% today.

Onwards and upwards. 480 by Christmas?
DrBubb
GOLD SHOOTING UP
No wonder, look at today's news:

- Greenspan: 'US deficit may scare off investors from overseas'
. and 'I don't see any easy answer to this'.

And look: GOLD is set to break IN EUROS too !


DrBubb
NO STRAIGHT UP in the Gold Market...

In fact, some of the indicators are flashing warning signs NOW

.

A correction of $10-20 over the next 3-4 weeks (if it comes) is not
impossible, and it would not be a bad thing, since it would set the market
up for fresh gains in early 2005

Those indicators ARE at an extreme level, and there is often a correction
from such an extreme.

SO I am taking a little "off the table" here
Pompey
from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4042451.stm


Gold surges as dollar falls again

The dollar has slumped to a new low against the euro, fuelling concerns about future European economic growth.

Fears that the strong euro could have a serious effect on European economies in 2005 were sharpened by data showing a fall in business confidence in Germany.

The euro jumped to a high of $1.3237 on Thursday on suggestions the US may tolerate a weaker dollar, while gold prices surged to sixteen-year highs.

The dollar also fell to a new four-year low against the yen of 102.61 yen.

Growth fears

Concern over America's yawning trade and budget deficits have been behind the dollar's slide in recent months, but analysts said there was no specific reason behind Thursday's fall.

The dollar's decline has led to fears that growth across Europe's leading economies could be badly stunted in the early part of 2005.

The weak dollar makes it more expensive for European exporters to sell their goods in the US.

We have moved into a new stage of the dollar's decline
Jim McCormick, Lehman Brothers

Fears over future productivity were highlighted by the decline in German business confidence to its lowest level in more than a year.

According to the monthly Ifo business outlook published on Thursday, confidence among German firms is at its lowest since September 2003.

Rising oil prices - back above $49 a barrel on Thursday - and growing indications that the US government is not prepared to intervene to halt the dollar's slide have sapped confidence.

The dollar's decline has been accompanied by a sharp rise in the price of gold and European bonds.

Gold soared above $452 a troy ounce, its highest level since 1986, benefiting from its status as a safe haven investment.

Policy response

"We have moved into a new stage of the dollar's decline," Jim McCormick, head of foreign exchange research at Lehman Brothers, told Reuters.

"The move is very much a fully fledged policy event. Until policy-makers truly protest, what's going to stop the trend?"

There has been little sign from Washington in recent weeks that the US government is willing to take immeditate action to reinforce its traditional "strong dollar" policy.

Policy-makers are mindful of recent remarks by Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan who said last week he believed the US current account deficit is unsustainable.

Mr Greenspan also warned that foreign governments might lose their appetite for dollar assets, given the size of the US current account deficit.

Some analysts believe the euro - introduced in 1999 - could rise as high as $1.40 next year.

"The dollar-bearish sentiment, not only against the euro but also other currencies, remains firmly in place," Minoru Shiori, senior foreign exchange manager at Mitsubishi Securities, told the Associated Press.

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DrBubb
I have had a number of emails and private messages from people
asking for specific stock tips.

Is anyone reading this thread?
If so, I may post a few ideas here, rather than responding to
individual messages. Just drop a little note here if you are lurking,
and want to know more about December tax selling and how that
effects the price of North American stocks
muttley
QUOTE(DrBubb @ Nov 27 2004, 04:04 AM)
I have had a number of emails and private messages from people
asking for specific stock tips. 

Is anyone reading this thread?
If so, I may post a few ideas here, rather than responding to
individual messages.  Just drop a little note here if you are lurking,
and want to know more about December tax selling and how that
effects the price of North American stocks
*


I'd be interested DrBubb.
I currently hold two stocks related to gold,Oxus and Oxiana (the second one is a NZ company quoted on the Australian Stock Exchange which mines mostly copper,but some gold)
Pete
I'm also interested in your views DB - have a large portion of my STR fund saved in a GoldMoney holding and trying to learn more about gold stocks in general,
Bit worried about extremely high gold sentiment right now...
cheers,
Pete
Van
Gold now at ~$455.

Gold shares doing well. Any OXS or AFG holders out there? tongue.gif
DrBubb
BELLWETHER
Newmont Mining ... daclyyay[de][pb55!d377,2][vc60][iUb14!La12,26,9]&pref=G]upmove


NEM-to-Gold ratio ... daclyyay[de][pb55!d377,2][vc60][iUb14!La12,26,9]&pref=G]update


The ratio suggests we may be close to an important BUY signal.
But not just yet- I think

The Coming Sharp UPMOVE, will come (if it comes) as NEM breaks out
above $50 on big volume (over 8.8million shares, I hope.)
And that could kickoff a big upmove in all gold shares

BUT IT MAY be worth waiting a few more days to buy.
Watch and see what happens on the imminent test of $46
Daily chart ... update
DrBubb
Pete,
I am also in Oxiana
muttley
QUOTE(DrBubb @ Dec 1 2004, 09:04 PM)
Pete,
I am also in Oxiana
*


Was me,not Pete. How long have you held these shares DrBubb? I bought in Aug 2002 at 32 cents. Do you have any thoughts on this company?


Van....I have OXS. It's been a good week due to the Jerooy license!!

I didn't fancy AFG....would have been the best of the lot!!

Any thoughts on TSG?
Van
Gold and other metals taking a beating today. I hope this is just a healthy pullback to allow the market to take a breather.

GOLD -3.19%
SILVER -9.34%

Crude is also falling.. nearly back to $40. Cheap as chips, really, when you consider the £/$!


Muttley.. I also only hold OXS.

Been eyeing AFG and also CNM recently.

TSG.. I'll have to check them out..
muttley
Van....How long have you held OXS. I bought in Aug 2002...quite a rollercoaster ride since!!
I don't know CNM,but wished I'd heard about them 6 months ago.

I upped my stake in MKD this week,though purely speculative.
DrBubb
Oxiana,
I have traded in and out, pocketing almost 200%.
My last buy was A$0.86

CANADIAN "Tax-Selling" Candidates

Here are some Canadian Juniors that I am looking at.
I am buying a basket, not just one. And the list changes as I do
research, adding and subtracting names. But the list is a good
starting point. Do you understand the tax-selling game?

Symbol Company..... Price. ShsFD MktCp* Yr.L...Yr.H Comments
v.ADA Acadian Gold. c$0.19 36.8M $5.94M $0.14-$0.48 1mn oz.Reso
v.AMS Amera Res.... c$0.67 19.7M $11.2M $0.35-$1.12 :
t.APG Apollo Gold.. c$1.15 79.5M $77.7M $0.65-$3.42 :
v.ARU Aurelian Res. c$0.90 26.0M $20.0M $0.80-$2.54 $6.5mn cash :
v.BM- BacTech...... c$0.38 50.0M $16.1M $0.24-$1.30 :
t.CZN Canadian Zinc c$0.62 69.3M $36.5M $0.51-$2.04 :
v.CNU Continuum Res c$0.27 39.5M $10.7M $0.24-$1.20 :
v.DVV Dunsmuir Ven. c$0.14 xx.xM $x.xxM $0.13-$0.49 :
v.DYG Dynasty Gold. c$0.39 37.7M $12.5M $0.36-$1.11 :
v.FFR Fairstar Expl c$0.15 41.2M $5.25M $0.11-$0.38 :
v.--- Goldpoint Exp c$0.xx xx.xM $x.xxM
v.GPR Great Panther c$0.39 20.0M $6.60M $0.35-$0.77 :
v.IM- Island Mtn.Gd c$.065 xx.xM $x.xxM $0.05-$0.22
v.IAU Intrepid Minl c$0.60 52.2M $31.3M $0.54-$1.43 :
v.ITS Int'l Taurus. c$0.14 102.M $12.1M $0.13-$0.62 :
v.IWA Int'l Wayside c$0.10 xx.xM $x.xxM $0.09-$0.39
t.MAE Miramar Mng.. c$1.56 157.M $208.M $1.11-$3.74 :
v.MUM Mustang Minls c$0.40 45.0M $19.1M $0.32-$1.25 :
v.NSM NorthStar Mng c$0.54 27.3M $12.5M $0.44-$1.14 :
t.NSU Nevsun Mining c$2.53 80.0M $172.M $1.90-$7.70 :
v.QRL Queenstake Ex c$0.47 450.M $180.M $0.38-$0.95 :
t.PFN Pacific Nwest c$0.40 40.0M $13.6M $0.40-$1.20 :
v.SGC Sunridge Gold c$0.66 22.5M $12.6M $0.60-$4.60 :
t.THT Thistle Mng.. c$0.03 600.M $15.3M $0.03-$0.41 :
v.TK- Tinka Res.... c$0.29 15.0M $3.70M $0.22-$0.60 :
v.VAN Vangold Expl. c$0.24 25.0M $5.31M $0.21-$0.88 :
USGL- US Gold...... .$0.45 20.4M $9.16M $0.38-$1.85 :
shell
v.AGC.H Amarillo
*Note: Conv.to US$ at c$0.85
DrBubb
Key Support? Between here and $430.
This chart shows it clearly: ... update



Canadian juniors hit bt Tax Selling should be a good buy
between here & christmas
zzg113
DrB, could you elaborate on the reasons for Canadian tax-selling? Do people have to sell to escape/pay end-of-year CGT bills/escape CGT bills?
DrBubb
TAX-LOSS SELLING CREATES OPPORTUNITIES

(Here's how Mike Swanson explains it):

"The January effect, if you don't already know, is the tendency for small cap stocks, which performed horribly all year long, to rally in January.

What happens is that tax-loss selling swamps these stocks in November and December. Once that selling runs its course, most of the sellers are out of the stocks and they tend to rally. If these sellers are heeding the wash sale rule then they are selling out in November and buying back 45 days later.

This trend is well known and has been publicized for over 20 years. I have noticed a tendency for this trend to start earlier and earlier every year - probably due to the fact that mutual funds are required to report their holdings in October (this makes them sell earlier than in November or December). Also, the fact that the trend is now so well-known, may be causing investors to buy ahead of it.

For the rest of the month I'm going to search for small cap stocks that were the worst price performers in the first 11 months - those most vulnerable to tax loss selling - for January effect candidates. I am then going to look for the ones that have built bases and have decent fundamentals. "
Bubble Pricker
DrBubb, would you share the result of your efforts? Is there a basked of about 5-8 you can extract and recommend?
muttley
QUOTE(DrBubb @ Dec 13 2004, 05:58 AM)
TAX-LOSS SELLING CREATES OPPORTUNITIES


For the rest of the month I'm going to search for small cap stocks that were the worst price performers in the first 11 months - those most vulnerable to tax loss selling - for January effect candidates. I am then going to look for the ones that have built bases and have decent fundamentals. "
*


Any tips gratefully received.
DrBubb
BP
Your:
"basket of about 5-8 you can extract and recommend"

I havent analysed all of them yet.
I will tell you in a few days which I have bought

Some charts: http://www.webspawner.com/users/cexstocks/index.html
DrBubb
HOW DID I GET ON?

I really DID BUY a number of those shares.
Want to see how I get on?
Click here: 50% gain thread
DrBubb
GOLD IS A CURRENCY, still in up trend...
NEM has broken some support, and as the Dollar has strengthened, Gold-in-Dollars has fallen below $430, and is now threatening to test next support at about $420.

This is the time to watch the price of gold denominated in other currencies, such as the Euro and Yen:


If gold is going to stay in its Dollar Channel, it should hold its trends in the other currencies as well. If gold can survive this test over the next few days, then we may soon see a breakout, with money pouring into gold from all currencies. but it needs to survive this important test.

Charts: Four Currency Gold : waclyyay[df][pb48!d200,2][vc60][iUb14!La12,26,9]&pref=G]Gold-in-Yen
Lurker at the pleasuredome
I have an original and unique gold indicator. It shows the true nature of peoples desire for exposure to the gold sector. Its quite unambiguous, unlike the action of indexes like the HUI which tend to disguise whats happening. The gold market progress can so far be divided up into segments about 3 to 4 months each.

Base
Markup
Consolidation
Markup
Dist (ending around Jan 04 - Profit taking time)
Markdown
Base
Markup
Consolidation 5 weeks so far.

Well its acting like high level consolidation. We shall see if the next phase is a markup starting in about 6 weeks time taking us to new highs.
DrBubb
I am adding to my gold-stock & silver-stock longs.

Here's why:
SILVER TEST coming:


while: this interview says:
CURRENT PARTY WILL END SOON
"The U.S. is consuming 82% of the world's savings"
and
"Largest source of capital are pension funds... (is at risk).
$37trillion of Debt and $51trillion of Unfunded Pension Liabilities, growing at $2tr. a year, cannot be repaid."
"Alot of promises are going to be broken. We have to prepare for that.
... You want to do that by getting out of dollar-denominated assets."

How do investors survive?
+ Reduce your exposure to the US dollar
+ Switch your savings to Swiss francs, gold grams, & other currencies
+ Buy gold and silver stocks as an investment
+ Most US stocks will drop, but some, like US-based manufacturers of aircraft parts will do well

...MORE, in interview with John Rubino & James Turk:
<a href='http://mirror3.netcastdaily.com/broadcast/fsn2005-0108-2.asx' target='window'>http://mirror3.netcastdaily.com/broadcast/fsn2005-0108-2.asx</a>
Van
I have listened to the entire broadcast. It certainly makes you think about inflation in a whole new light.

The price of gold is now down to $418. From what I've read, we could be near the end of the correction, ready for the next leg up, with the recent US employment figures signalling the end of the profit taking for now.

OTOH, $411-$412 200-day MA has also been mooted as a resistance level - do you think we could test that this week?

As well as gold juniors, I'm looking to take a long spreadbet on the price of gold when the correction is over.
DrBubb
another Golden BUY opportunity... ? Now-ish?

These Long Term charts are compelling to me

10 years Gold-in-DMarks..... since the inception of the Euro
.

Closer:


Closer still / update:
http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/SC.web?...LD:$XEU,uu[m,a]daclyyay[de][pb55!d377,1.5][vc60][iUb14!La12,26,9]&pref=G
Fingers
Could someone post a list of silver stocks traded on LSE? i.e. silver equivalents of LSE:GBS

Cheers

Fingers
DrBubb
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COT: Commitments Of Traders Report
At 1.67 Ratio, we are back in a "Buying Window"

(this chart is not up-to-date, but shows sweet spots)


-LONG- -SHORT- : ComlNet RATIO-DATE :=Price=: SpecNet
GOLD
93,319 156,259 :- 62,940 1.67 01/18 :$421.75 + 29,566
94,433 164,780 :- 70,347 1.74 01/11 :$421.35 + 36,787 -20.2%R,-49.8%NS
89,301 195,043 :-105,742 2.18 01/04 :$427.75 + 73,243 -19.6%R,-25.8%NS
85,507 223,002 :-137,496 2.71 12/28 :$442.20 + 98,753
84,261 210,579 :-126,318 2.50 12/21 :$440.95 + 93,017
SILVER
20,620 074,229 :- 53,609 3.59 01/18 :$ 6.580 + 32,646
19,423 073,934 :- 54,511 3.81 01/11 :$ 6.523 + 33,118
18,843 077,637 :- 58,794 4.12 01/04 :$ 6.390 + 38,350
21,040 082,284 :- 61,238 3.91 12/28 :$ 6.885 + 38,994
xx,xxx xxx,xxx :- xx,xxx x.xx 12/21 :$ 6.850 + xx,xxx

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Gold-in-Euros has tested a long term trendline ... update
Here's the Long term Chart expressed as: DMarks per Gold Gram


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Gold stocks, as represented by the Gold Bugs Index (HUI), now needs to break above HUI-210, and HUI-220 with Volume, to confirm the upturn

HUI chart updated: HUI, last 6 months
DrBubb
LONG TERM LOOK
Dow-to-Gold Ratio: Back to the Future; Like's Nixon's Second term?


EXCERPT:
"Understand that the Dow to gold ratio has a perfect forecasting record. Whenever the ratio is trending higher, the economy and the nation prospers. When it is trending lower the nation becomes split. And when it breaks down there are riots in the streets..

In times past the government has always taken actions that unintentionally accelerate the downtrend and thus the negative forces affecting the society as a whole. Looking at this chart, a student of market history would conclude that Bush is the antithesis of Reagan in nearly every respect, but a perfect amalgamation of Wilson and Nixon with a dash of Hoover for good measure.
...
Finally, observe how Nixon was first elected in 1968 near a peak in the Dow to gold ratio. His decision to escalate the War in SE Asia and to not tighten the fiscal belt to pay for it was the primary reason the Dow to gold ratio declined so rapidly during his time in office.

President Bush was also elected shortly after the all time high in the Dow to gold ratio and it has been going down ever since. This is mainly due to the soaring budget deficits that cannot be financed by savings-short US citizens.
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Perhaps the easiest reason to explain why the Dow to gold ratio will decline is not the "real value of gold" as so many like to point out. To us the reason the Dow gold ratio will decline over the coming year is that finance now makes as big a percentage of the S&P 500 as oil stocks did back in the 1970s. We feel confident that gold may not rise this year but the Dow to gold ratio will decline as interest rates rise. Therefore, the chart above argues for a cyclical decline in financial stocks relative to hard assets. As this happens and costs rise in the US bond prices should decline"

...MORE: http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_05/black012605.html
Yonmon
EXCERPT:
"Understand that the Dow to gold ratio has a perfect forecasting record. Whenever the ratio is trending higher, the economy and the nation prospers. When it is trending lower the nation becomes split. And when it breaks down there are riots in the streets.."


Read at face value they are saying the Dow to gold ratio PREDICTS social unrest. That's perhaps the most bizarre notion I've ever read. Astrology seems mainstream by comparison.

Perhaps they should read David Hume on causality/contingent connection.
DrBubb
Y.,
Your:
"Read at face value they are saying the Dow to gold ratio PREDICTS social unrest. That's perhaps the most bizarre notion I've ever read. Astrology seems mainstream by comparison."

I DIDNT WRITE that.
If I had, I would not have written "perfect forecasting record"- which sticks in the eye. I would have written something like "impressive track record"

ANYWAY,
are you familiar with the field of Socionomics?
The practicianers in this field believe that there ARE connections between stock market behaviour and social moods. To put it simply, stock markets rise when people feel good, and they fall when people are depressed. It may be hard to separate cause and effect (ie. low stock prices may help cause depressed emotions rather than vice versa). But ultimately, there IS evidence of a correlation between mood and market.

So it is not crazy to say: If you can predict markets, you can predict changes in social mood. I do not find this bizarre at all.

Do you want a link?
I think it may be: http://www.Socionomics.org (or something similar)
Jake
Dr Bubb. I have a few questions for you.

What caused the sudden rise and fall of gold between Jan and Feb 1980?

Also how much would the gold price then be worth today, adjusted for inflation?

I may be wrong but is not the price of gold good value today, despite being 70% up since 2001?

Many thanks. Jake.
DrBubb
Jake,
Your:
"a few questions for you.
What caused the sudden rise and fall of gold between Jan and Feb 1980?"

(Changes in market psychology. But if that answer doesnt suit you, look at the news background; US hostages were taken in Iran. President Carter reacted in a clumsy way)

Also how much would the gold price then be worth today, adjusted for inflation?

(There are various ways to answer that, depending on the starting point. Do a Google search on that question together with the name "Paul Van Eaden" and you will get a more articulate answer than I can give.)

I may be wrong but is not the price of gold good value today, despite being 70% up since 2001?

(My opinion is that Gold is still good value, particularly if the dollar falls. Try looking at Gold in terms of Euros or Dmarks- see above)
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