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gone west
Looking bad for sterling. With oil remaining above $55/bbl real inflation should be creeping up.
war
QUOTE(gone west @ Jul 6 2005, 03:33 PM)
Looking bad for sterling. With oil remaining above $55/bbl real inflation should be creeping up.
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Sterling seems to be on a sliding slope ph34r.gif .

Sterling hits new 19-mth low vs dollar

We have been talking about how the dollar is going to fall but totally forgot the weakness of sterling that has been happening over the recent weeks. I am sure it is going to cause severe inflation pressures.

I wonder what measures the MPC and BOE has in their sights at this time. Or, is it going according to their plans? thus providing a way to dilute the infamous trillion pound debt and also bring the house price crash to fizzle out?

I saw the following tiny bit of research article.

Sterling's Past, Dollar's Future

Does any one have access to the full article? In which case, could it be posted here please?
Sir David Jason
It collapsed before the UK bombings from 1.82 on the 7th June, to 1.75 on the 6th of July. Now 1.73
Troubleatmill
Look at it this way....goods costing $60 barrel in USD would have translated to £31.27 at 1.92 (rate as of 01.jan.05) Now it's £34.52 at 1.74 (rate as of 10.jun.05)

This, if my maths is correct, is an increase of 10% in 6 months.

A falling pound will hurt importers who will have to increasew their prices to cover the currency hit (or cut costs further)
Sir David Jason
QUOTE(Troubleatmill @ Jul 10 2005, 07:56 PM)
Look at it this way....goods costing $60 barrel in USD would have translated to £31.27 at 1.92 (rate as of 01.jan.05) Now it's £34.52 at 1.74 (rate as of 10.jun.05)

This, if my maths is correct, is an increase of 10% in 6 months.

A falling pound will hurt importers who will have to increasew their prices to cover the currency hit (or cut costs further)
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Don't we import loads of stuff and rely on our services sector for GDP
zzg113
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Don't we import loads of stuff and rely on our services sector for GDP


Yes.

http://www.optimumpopulation.org/opt.more.economy.html


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Nearly 70 per cent of GDP in the UK is accounted for by private consumption... the share of manufacturing in the UK economy has declined relative to the services sector faster than in most other industrialised countries, and manufacturing now represents less than 20% of national output... The services sector now accounts for two thirds of GDP, and the financial and business services sector contributes almost one-fifth of GDP. There was a deficit of $24 billion on the current account balance of payments for 2001. (See Economist Intelligence Unit Country Data - Britain.)
Catch22
QUOTE(zzg113 @ Jul 10 2005, 09:26 PM)



Considering the thisismoney.co.uk article Economy 'on brink' as pound braces for fall would converting your GBP's to Euro's and depositing it in an account like This make sense, assuming you prepared to take the currency fluctuations gamble.

Lets say for arguments sake you have 200K GBP waiting to be invested in the UK housing market, and you believe it is headed downwards, so no need for the cash for a year or two. And considering the pound is on the silde as per the linked article.

£200K at todays X rate to the Euro [69P] would be 290,00 Euros @ 2% interest is 295800 Euros in twelve months time. Now if the pound slides and in a years time you get 76p for the Euro, its worth £224,808 and at 82P to the Euro it would be £242,556.

I don't know the likely commission rates for converting GBP's into Euros and back to GBP for any house purchase. I fact Im clueless in that regard so I would be interested to hear from those clued up in these currency matters.
Catch22
I was quoted a rate to convert GBP to Euro's by A&L International that was a touch below -1.25 % of the cross currency rate on the day. So if you factor in say slightly less than 2.5% to convert to Euro's and back to GBP's, but if the Euro hits 82p as against its current 69p value against the pound, on low UK interest rates, it could be a profitable gamble. But that is what it would be at the end of the day a gamble ....well do feel lucky...do ya ph34r.gif
Sir David Jason
I read today about bullish "induvidual currency traders" defending slumps in their currency, but how do they do this when they feel under attack ?. Surely they lose money by buying at a higher rate or do they just buy and dump to each other like a reverse pyramid scheme and sell when it gets back up.
JustYield
What would be the likely impact on GBP vs. USD if rates are held next month (against market expectation)?

JY
Riser
Maybe just wishful thinking but I think the pound is about to get a kicking:

BBC Sterling Intraday

Probaly as much to do with a stronger dollar but I expect to see $1.60 inthe nextfew months. The City are starting to wake up to Browns tricks, if that mythycal beast, the derivative markets start to get nervous then all hell could break lose. ph34r.gif
tune2001
[quote=Riser,Aug 19 2005, 07:33 AM]
Maybe just wishful thinking but I think the pound is about to get a kicking:

I'm on it...

£1 a point from 17936.5

My first ever spread bet!
tune2001
Jeez this is a volatile game.

I've been £9 up and £10 down in about 1/2 an hour!
dazw01842
for 30 mins, thats pretty tranquil.
Flick
QUOTE(dazw01842 @ Aug 19 2005, 01:59 PM)
for 30 mins, thats pretty tranquil.
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Yes its a fantastic way to win or lose money very quickly smile.gif

For anyone else that fancies a flutter, you can do it at the expense of cityindex.co.uk. They are offering a £75 free bet for all new accounts (they dont advertise it on the site, it's advertised in moneyweek).

The £75 cant be withdrawn for 6 months, but a free bets a free bet...
JustYield
QUOTE(Riser @ Aug 19 2005, 07:33 AM)
Maybe just wishful thinking but I think the pound is about to get a kicking:

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I'm out (of sterling). Feels great.

Don't know what's holding it at these levels, but suspect it won't last.

JY
Riser
QUOTE(JustYield @ Aug 22 2005, 02:46 PM)
I'm out (of sterling).  Feels great. 

Don't know what's holding it at these levels, but suspect it won't last.

JY
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The Strength of sterling is now very sensitive to housing market indicators, as the crash unfolds sterling will continue to fall.

Sterling falls to 3-week low vs dollar

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LONDON, Aug 30 (Reuters) - Sterling fell to its lowest level in three weeks against the dollar on Tuesday after Bank of England data showed the lowest rise in mortgage lending in three years in July.

Mortgage lending rose by 6.45 billion pounds last month, compared with June's 7.06 rise and forecasts for a 7.1 billion increase. Net consumer credit also rose less than expected.

"Sterling is a little shaky and the market is trying to push it lower against the dollar and the euro," said Peter Fontaine, currency analyst at KBC in Brussels.

"It does show that the Bank of England is a bit too optimistic regarding the data and a reality check needs to be done."

Sterling fell to $1.7876 before reboudning slightly to $1.7887 by 0850 GMT. It was at 68.28 pence per euro, down a quarter of a percent on the day.
the end is nigh
if you are into charting then it is worth looking at the 6 month charts for $vs£, EU and Yen - all charts show the $ as a sell - the obvious risk is that charts are based on what has happened historically and any asset may find a higher low, lower high etc.
the end is nigh
QUOTE(the end is nigh @ Sep 9 2005, 06:54 PM)
if you are into charting then it is worth looking at the 6 month charts for $vs£, EU and Yen - all charts show the $ as a sell - the obvious risk is that charts are based on what has happened historically and any asset may find a higher low, lower high etc.
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well, just to prove my point, a very strong day for the $, all charts now on the edge of a turnaround!

isn't charting wonderful
gone west
Just thought I would refresh this thread. We are now at 1.7437 and descending.
the end is nigh
famous last words but £v$ is about the most bullish chart i have seen for a while (and we all saw where my last effort at charting went!)
muttley
QUOTE(gone west @ Oct 12 2005, 02:52 AM) [snapback]211206[/snapback]

Just thought I would refresh this thread. We are now at 1.7437 and descending.


The Fed raised their interest rates yesterday and we're at 1.7756 and ascending.

What's the reason?
the end is nigh
Fed rises are expected - the debate is, are there likely to be more than previously thought? i think there is also enough uncertainty about the future direction of UK IRs to make it interesting

i think this chart is very bullish - a short termtriple bottom, a short term double bottom, both of which make a mid term double bottom

opinions welcomed

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the end is nigh
ok - anything i highlight, do the opposite
gone west
QUOTE(the end is nigh @ Nov 4 2005, 02:46 PM) [snapback]228010[/snapback]

ok - anything i highlight, do the opposite

Good try!
gone west
QUOTE(gone west @ Nov 4 2005, 06:13 PM) [snapback]228095[/snapback]

Good try!

Sterling now US$1.7374 in the overnight markets. CAD$2.066
tommyboy
where do you think this can get to


how low??
gone west
QUOTE(tommyboy @ Nov 15 2005, 05:23 AM) [snapback]234554[/snapback]

where do you think this can get to
how low??

Probably below $1.70 sooner rather than later. Look for CAD to move to about $2.15+ on political grounds. Back to 2.05 after the election.
tommyboy
ok 1.72 i am getting very worried now
Buylowsellhigh
QUOTE(tommyboy @ Nov 16 2005, 08:39 AM) [snapback]235048[/snapback]

ok 1.72 i am getting very worried now

The Pound has only traded a penny lower than it was on the 8th of July, so not much to panic about really. The next resistance is around 1.70 so it might hold there for a time ...but I think it will go lower eventually.

My opinion.


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oracle
yeah my thinking also.

I'm going for the bounce from $1.71...back up to $1.75 by year-end.

...2006 am going for dollar weakening vs yen/euro.
.......but sterling to weaken more...going for $1.60's next year.

...I'm long yen at this juncture!!!
wayneL
OH MY!

New lows not that far away...and from hod @ 174.08c to lod @ 171.28c on the march futures, thats a big move down. MOMO ++++

Cheers
Golden Shower
Touching the trendline again, may be time to place a short on GBP vs USD. I shall wait until the afternoon and make my decision when the US PPI data is released. Resistance at about 1.77.

Mr_Sminty
So how are all you big shot currency wheeler dealers doing today? Did the budget affect Sterling at all? Any update to outlooks for 2006 and the next few months?
RobertPaulson
QUOTE(Golden Shower @ Jan 13 2006, 09:39 AM) [snapback]273644[/snapback]

Touching the trendline again, may be time to place a short on GBP vs USD. I shall wait until the afternoon and make my decision when the US PPI data is released. Resistance at about 1.77.


ouch..

I am at a complete loss as to why the £ is still soaring against $. Granted people have to put their money somewhere, but why bother with £ we are nearly as screwed as the US. £vs€ as a play makes no sense either.

At least this will keep inflation at bay for a while longer, unfortunately by killing of the last of any productive UK industry to let us fall that much harder once fundamentals come back into play.

One interesting point of view on the situation

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- "The recent strength of sterling," muses Tom Tragett,
your editor's expert currency contact, in a note. "It
seems most unusual - leaving aside the M&A flows -
especially given the extremely poor political domestic
backdrop and our pretty innocuous economy. But it all
makes sense if you figure that central banks are
conducting 'reserve adjustments'...getting out of US
dollars...and that some - mostly Middle Eastern banks -
clearly favour the Betty Grable."

- The Betty Grable? Cable is the name forex traders give
to buying sterling when selling dollars. Geddit? But
still this doesn't explain the almost phenomenal
strength of the proud pound in your pocket. Sterling has
risen from $1.73 to $1.86 in the past month alone. How
come?

- "Greenspan's famous conundrum has all but gone," Tom
notes. "Thirty-year US bond yields have surged as the
price of the bond itself has dumped from 97.25 at the
mid/end March to 89.50 at the close last week. This fall
in the 30-year bond price as coincided with the rise in
sterling over the same period. So someone's exiting US
Treasuries and piling into pounds. I reckon it's the
Japanese..."

- Regular readers will recall that the Bank of Japan has
an open position of some several hundred billion
dollars, bought when it wanted to depress the Yen and
stoke Japan's runt of an export-led recovery in 2003/4.
But they might not know what next-door's 'For Sale' has
got to do with Japan's post office savings accounts.

- "Naturally, Japan's intervention to buy dollars was
stuck into US Treasurys," says Tom. "Even when yields
dipped below 4%, they still paid a whole heap more than
Japan's own zero-rate bank deposits. Now of course, with
the Japanese economy on the up-tick, they might have
decided it's time to lighten up on their dollar
holdings. The world and his dog know the greenback is
due another tumble. Why play sucker and keep hanging
on?"

- Tom Tragett: "But the Japanese are the biggest holders
of US Treasury debt in the world. So they could never be
seen selling dollars and buying yen in the open market.
It would be like screaming fire in a crowded pub. The
dollar/yen would collapse into free fall. And this makes
their position unmanageable..."

- So the only way for them to remove the risk of a
dollar fall versus yen, says Tom, is to switch the
position slowly into another currency. "For example,
they would sell their Treasuries - and then sell the
subsequent dollar receipts for, say, sterling, for want
of a better protagonist. In order for this not to show
up immediately in their official reserve figures they
could use Kampo – the Japanese Post Office's life
insurance pot - to buy the sterling discretely in the
market over a period of several weeks/months."

- Take heed, warns Tom. "I am not saying that the BOJ is
buying sterling – and I'm certainly not advising anyone
goes long GBP/JPY just yet. But clearly someone very big
is getting into the pound...and it could be that the
Chinese, US, UK and Japanese have done a deal to get
Tokyo out of jail when the Chinese Yuan does finally
float and sink the dollar."
notanewmember
you re all wrong

1.9 thereabouts
Night
QUOTE(notanewmember @ Aug 12 2006, 08:28 AM) [snapback]427449[/snapback]

you re all wrong

1.9 thereabouts


It seems you were right smile.gif
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