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#16 User is offline   libspero 

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Posted 31 August 2008 - 11:18 PM

View PostIP Newcomer, on Aug 31 2008, 11:30 PM, said:

I just need links in the mainstream media that reference hpc prominently or name things that hpc does.


Just from googling for 15 mins I have the following.. not sure how many we already have.

http://charteredsurveyors.blogspot.com/200...ecrashcouk.html

http://news.bbc.co.u...ess/6549299.stm

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/housepri...60907/216380727

http://video.google....644413905431416

http://www.lets-make...y.co.uk/?p=1064

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/blog/2008/...eelingconfident

http://www.independent.co.uk/money/loans-c...ket-408088.html

http://www.citywire.co.uk/Adviser/-/blogs/....aspx?ID=282806

http://www.stride.co.uk/property-insurance...ere%3F-nav34-47

http://www.fool.co.uk/news/property-home/2...e-unlikely.aspx
(Note: Fool considers us a reliable enough source to reference)
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Posted 31 August 2008 - 11:25 PM

http://www.google.co.uk/search?source=ig&a...earch&meta=

not too many links to hpc according to google. Odd.

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Posted 01 September 2008 - 12:53 AM

Wikipedia is a very strange best. It's odd the way it allows itself to be taken over by people with a particular interest.

I once edited an article to include the number of threatograms TV Licensing send out each year (23.5 million a year - a really shocking number of dead trees). For seem reason it made someone livid and they did everything to take it out.

First it wasn't well enough sourced, then it wasn't neutral point of view, then it was in the wrong article, then it was first hand research, then.... It's only still there because someone else cared more than I did about keeping it there.

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Posted 01 September 2008 - 08:28 AM

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And I tell you we have learned from past mistakes.
Just as you cannot spend your way out of recession, you cannot, in a global economy, simply spend your way through recovery either.
(Gordon Brown, Labour Party Annual Conference, 29 September 1997)
So, housing affordability is better than it has ever been, but no-one can take advantage of this because they can't afford the houses. I see.
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Posted 01 September 2008 - 08:33 AM

Sorry, agree with deletion. HPC is non-notable.

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Posted 01 September 2008 - 08:41 AM

View PostX-QUORK, on Sep 1 2008, 12:14 AM, said:

Let's just carry on doing what we do, if Wikipedia miss out for whatever reason...who cares?


Exactly its wikipedia's "loss." And there are plenty of other places on the web to publish HPC articles where you are not subjected to idiotic censorship by teenagers more interested in Doctor Who. Also where a link back to this site would actually count, as far as Google is concerned.

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Posted 01 September 2008 - 09:43 AM

View PostSir Talbot Avenger, on Sep 1 2008, 09:33 AM, said:

Sorry, agree with deletion. HPC is non-notable.


I think we are notorious enough to be notable :D
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So, housing affordability is better than it has ever been, but no-one can take advantage of this because they can't afford the houses. I see.
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Posted 01 September 2008 - 09:51 AM

View PostCogs, on Aug 31 2008, 10:32 PM, said:

Basically someone wants it deleted. As usual in "Wikilawyering" circles a bizarre argument is being cooked up re: FP.
What it needs is a long paragraph, heavily hyperlinked (aim for every third word) discussing the impact, notoriety, Krusty's outbursts etc.
Put FP in a seperate para.

What we really need though is a sympathetic "Wikipaedo" editor, experience shows you are up against powermad 13 year olds who will not listen to reason, just Jimbo's Hallowed Rulebook.

Edit: Sponsor for deletion is an "administrator". So it going to go, despite the fact that by his logic, Wikipedia itself would be un-notable and should delete its own page because most mentions of it go via Jimbo Wales.

I agree politically the article is going, and nothing can be done. The reasons behind the deletion are probably to do with someone Portfolio (or there mums/dads portfolio) and a believe they can erase a crash by deleting the article

This post has been edited by moosetea: 01 September 2008 - 09:52 AM

I have bought a newish (5 years) house in November 2006. I talked the vendor down 30% off peak 2004 price am am paying less than the 2002 price. I feel prices will continue to drop down to the 2001 price but saving for 5 years hopefully means i wont be stung. The price i am paying isn't much above the price the vendor paid for the place when it was new in 2000. However some idiot is trying to flog an identical house on my road for 55k above the price i paid, one month later!?!?! The housing market is frothy, no-one ever knows what the value of a house is, the value is what someone is willing to pay, make sure you pay alot less than the asking price.

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Posted 01 September 2008 - 10:32 AM

In the deletion discussion, it says FP owns HPC. I believe this is not the case and very relevent.

Can FP or someone confirm?
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Posted 01 September 2008 - 10:36 AM

The article could probably do with some fleshing out, but it's probably not worth a big fight. However I disagree with the assertion that all the mainstream press articles mention HPC "in passing". That must be true for thousands of sources, for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Which%3F (that's Which? magazine if you don't read hexadecimal).
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Posted 01 September 2008 - 10:40 AM

View PostSir Talbot Avenger, on Sep 1 2008, 09:33 AM, said:

Sorry, agree with deletion. HPC is non-notable.


3rded or whatever. This place is getting a bit self important for my liking.

The site is self explanatory and can easily be found by any web search. Listing in a factually corrupt "encyclopaedia" is irrelevant.

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Posted 01 September 2008 - 10:49 AM

Not bothered either way. Wikipedia's loss. Incidently I am starting to see more and more errors occuring on wikipedia. Not as many as Symo's GF who had one student argue with her that "..but it said so on wikipedia!". Pity that she wrote one of the definitive texts. :D
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Posted 01 September 2008 - 10:55 AM

View Postwellandpower, on Sep 1 2008, 11:32 AM, said:

In the deletion discussion, it says FP owns HPC. I believe this is not the case and very relevent.

Can FP or someone confirm?

FP is not the owner, however he has been quoted in media as owner....

Fubra is the owner of HPC
http://www.fubra.com/
I have bought a newish (5 years) house in November 2006. I talked the vendor down 30% off peak 2004 price am am paying less than the 2002 price. I feel prices will continue to drop down to the 2001 price but saving for 5 years hopefully means i wont be stung. The price i am paying isn't much above the price the vendor paid for the place when it was new in 2000. However some idiot is trying to flog an identical house on my road for 55k above the price i paid, one month later!?!?! The housing market is frothy, no-one ever knows what the value of a house is, the value is what someone is willing to pay, make sure you pay alot less than the asking price.

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Posted 01 September 2008 - 01:11 PM

Keep dragging this thread up, but couldn't we just provide a link to this page:

http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/ind...hp?showforum=24

There are over 150 links to different articles in the MSM.. while it may not alter what appears to be an emotively driven deletion request, it does at least demonstrate that HPC is well referenced and widely acknowledged by the media.

If it still gets deleted, it will not be because sufficient evidence was not provided.

This post has been edited by libspero: 01 September 2008 - 01:13 PM

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Just as you cannot spend your way out of recession, you cannot, in a global economy, simply spend your way through recovery either.
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So, housing affordability is better than it has ever been, but no-one can take advantage of this because they can't afford the houses. I see.
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Posted 01 September 2008 - 01:16 PM

View Postmoosetea, on Sep 1 2008, 11:55 AM, said:

FP is not the owner, however he has been quoted in media as owner....

Fubra is the owner of HPC
http://www.fubra.com/


Well if they are they dont even include HPC in their portfolio section.

Who cares about wikipedia? Good points earlier, power in the "web" is just about links. If someone wants to know about HPC, they can come straight here. How many people read a wikipedia article about a website before going there?

On that note, the front page could be cleaned up a bit...

After today's posts about FP, if HPC really does want to take itself seriously as some political entity, the front page should at least try and reflect that with more professional design etc. At the moment its, well.. spammy, in my opinion. Something tells me this is a foolish idea though, delusions of grandeur. The site does just fine, and serves its purpose (now its working, well done techies).

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