[guitarman001]

Hey, it was a genuine question; you're telling me you'd pay it if you also planned to emigrate in a few years' time anyway?
And I don't need benefits; although I'm only on 28k for now, I make 40 squid an hour doing extras at home, though unfortunately that doesn't come in all the time. Anyway, you've got a right negative attitude, get it sorted and stop judging folks. If you really want to help, answer the question.

This post has been edited by thomasross20: 21 May 2008 - 02:30 PM

[Pacific State]

deus ex machina, on May 21 2008, 03:12 PM, said:

Oh dear Pacific, how can one even begin to argue with the indoctrinated.

On the grounds that what can be had free of charge is generally the less regarded, I should be happy to introduce fees for all secondary education. Only then will folk demand and possibly obtain a higher standard and the current truancy rates will be reduced.

" Brains " are not created by nuture and the intelligent, left to the dynamism of the individual allowed to flourish in a society which does not pay slavish regard to levelling in the mistaken belief that somehow a spurious equality may be established, will always pay dividends.

Scrap the welfare state and release people from the bondage of taxation that will allow them the opportunity to make their own decisions. Once they understand no one will help them save themselves then perhaps we will have a society of some worth instead of the current sterility.

I love the opening tone of a weary professor with his not-too-bright students!

I understand that the education system, particularly up until A-Level qualification, is not meant to produce the brightest thinkers in the world. It is merely a societal construct to train citizens for a life of simultaneous gratitude to and oppression from the state and its cheerleaders, particularly the meeja.

I understand that History is the Government's officially sanctioned version of events, as are all educational activities within primary schools, secondary schools and further education.

The people now paying £30,000 for a devalued qualification are the least likely among us to pay, as you put it very eloquently, "slavish regard to levelling in the mistaken belief that somehow a spurious equality may be established". On the contrary, those that drown themselves in debt for, in most cases but not all, dumbed-down, educational qualifications seek to distance themselves from what many consider the hoi-poloi, the great unwashed of contemporary society.

I say get student numbers down to the levels 20 years ago. Let's train those that wish to follow a non-academic route with the skills they need to perform society's tasks. Let's fire those up that wish to act on a different level and encourage the individualism and skills of those better able to express it and perform it.

To function successfully, society needs the Outer Party, those willing to knuckle down and get on with it, knowing they'll never achieve much. But it needs the Inner Party too, those who dare to push themselves (and society behind it) to bigger and better ideas, free from the Nanny State.*

* apologies to George Orwell for slightly bastardising what he meant by Inner and Outer.

[deus ex machina]

thomasross20, on May 21 2008, 03:29 PM, said:

Hey, it was a genuine question; you're telling me you'd pay it if you also planned to emigrate in a few years' time anyway?
And I don't need benefits; although I'm only on 28k for now, I make 40 squid an hour doing extras at home, though unfortunately that doesn't come in all the time. Anyway, you've got a right negative attitude, get it sorted and stop judging folks. If you really want to help, answer the question.

Honour your contracts and pay your debts.

The rest, as they say, is really up to you.

[deus ex machina]

Pacific, I rather think you wish to agree with me.

[Pacific State]

deus ex machina, on May 21 2008, 03:44 PM, said:

Pacific, I rather think you wish to agree with me.

I do to a point, deus ex machina, but I can't make the leap of faith from the current shambles of an education system to a system where all, including those perhaps not intelligent enough to, decide for themselves the education they want. That's why my solution is so perfect.

The decision to choose one's own educational path can only really be left, at a later point in life, to those capable of understanding the world around them at a deeper level.

[Caribbean Beauty]

Rick62, on May 21 2008, 05:17 AM, said:

Caribbean Beauty, I'm curious, which Island were you on? The Islands tend to have very different cultures, although the things you describe are common to varying degrees.

I Lived in St Lucia for nearly 7 years, it was probably best I left when I did, looking at people who stay much longer most of them would not be able to adjust to life back in the UK (I found it hard). Of the Islands Barbados is probably the most civilised (if you are Enlish, plus the most expensive!).

The smart thing is to have a business where you can spend part of the time out there (particularly in our winter) and part here, as maybe you can with your business?. That way you might not go so crazy!

Hi Rick

I am a VI in Caribbean tourism hence I cannot reveal which island we mainly market, but thanks for the tips. I agree with your suggestion hence we are renting our micro-resort out to long term tenants (being unable to sell it due to the credit-crunch/global collapse of MEW-ing first-world buyers) and shall visit annually for a lick of paint etc. Finding a good property manager is the next headache....but at least the internet now enables us to live in rural Norfolk and export people to the Caribbean rather than import them. But your observations on the "leather-necks" who have lived there many years are so accurate, these people would be flummoxed at UK life now, assuming they were sober long enough to realise where they were.

[expatowner]

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[rainydaysrhere]

Firstly hello to all, I am new to this forum and this is my first post. Anyway, as most of the people leaving the UK go to Oz i thought i would contribute. I emirgrated to Oz (Perth) last year and hoped that i would be living the Australian dream after watching this country go down the pan with youth crime, drugs, immigration and general feeling that being British does not count for much anymore. So off i went and after 2 months of sun, sea and sand began to miss the UK, you see Perth is a beautiful place if you like constant sunshine and the sea but believe me it wears a bit thin after a while and blimey is it boring. Then there's the shops all owned by a few companies that sells cheap crappy imports from China. There is no choice in WA as its operates like a seperate country. It is very expensive and wages compared are a lot lower there so the standard of living is much more expensive as everyday items are not cheap i.e. mars bar about £1. You pay for everything, no NH but a Medicare system where you pay and then get rebates, but most people have private healthcare, it's a very american sytem. Houses generally are built in the middle of no-where with no infustructure to deal with growing populations.

The problem is though that when people go over to Oz they take all their cash and naturally want to settle and fit in so within days they have bought a brand new car and within a couple of months a house. But being in the holiday mode it seems all ok then of course the boredom starts, you start missing family, friends and yes, the rain. But because they are tied up financially they keep on trying to believe that its really great place to be and yes it is but most people i knew had second jobs to make up the money, so having a lay-in on the weekend forget it the noise soon wakes you up, but your probably be at work anyway!

I knew quite a few families and although they dont admit it out loud they do admit it (reading between the lines) that they should not of put their eggs in one basket and not of got so bogged down, financially.

So, what has this post got to do with the UK well as I said it can be a great place and some people do generally like it but they are normally younger people, with not many ties and no family in toe. If you are thinking of going to Oz then its a good time as the boom in property is over and bargains are to be had but a word of warning, rent (expensive) at least for 6 months and resist buying as you may be a lot worse off than UK sellers are now. I got to say though that Oz give $7k rebate to first time buyers and no stamp duty, what does the UK government do? money grabbing gits who continue to undermine the hard workers of this country when most families are struggling, it's a bloody disgrace but the UK with all it's faults still is home and sometimes the grass isn't that green elsewhere and although theres a lot of people leaving, theres a lot cominig back, you just dont here about it in the media.

[deflation]

rainydaysrhere, on Jun 19 2008, 10:47 PM, said:

.... the UK with all it's faults still is home and sometimes the grass isn't that green elsewhere and although theres a lot of people leaving, theres a lot cominig back, you just dont here about it in the media.

I do seem to remember reading somewhere last year that 50% of UK citizens who emigrated, or at least intended to live abroad permanently, return within 2 years. With such a fluid workforce, especially within Europe, precise figures on emigration may not ever be exact in the future, especially since no visas are required in the EU.

[Caribbean Beauty]

rainydaysrhere, on Jun 19 2008, 06:47 PM, said:

Firstly hello to all, I am new to this forum and this is my first post. Anyway, as most of the people leaving the UK go to Oz i thought i would contribute. I emirgrated to Oz (Perth) last year and hoped that i would be living the Australian dream after watching this country go down the pan with youth crime, drugs, immigration and general feeling that being British does not count for much anymore. So off i went and after 2 months of sun, sea and sand began to miss the UK, you see Perth is a beautiful place if you like constant sunshine and the sea but believe me it wears a bit thin after a while and blimey is it boring. Then there's the shops all owned by a few companies that sells cheap crappy imports from China. There is no choice in WA as its operates like a seperate country. It is very expensive and wages compared are a lot lower there so the standard of living is much more expensive as everyday items are not cheap i.e. mars bar about £1. You pay for everything, no NH but a Medicare system where you pay and then get rebates, but most people have private healthcare, it's a very american sytem. Houses generally are built in the middle of no-where with no infustructure to deal with growing populations.

The problem is though that when people go over to Oz they take all their cash and naturally want to settle and fit in so within days they have bought a brand new car and within a couple of months a house. But being in the holiday mode it seems all ok then of course the boredom starts, you start missing family, friends and yes, the rain. But because they are tied up financially they keep on trying to believe that its really great place to be and yes it is but most people i knew had second jobs to make up the money, so having a lay-in on the weekend forget it the noise soon wakes you up, but your probably be at work anyway!

I knew quite a few families and although they dont admit it out loud they do admit it (reading between the lines) that they should not of put their eggs in one basket and not of got so bogged down, financially.

So, what has this post got to do with the UK well as I said it can be a great place and some people do generally like it but they are normally younger people, with not many ties and no family in toe. If you are thinking of going to Oz then its a good time as the boom in property is over and bargains are to be had but a word of warning, rent (expensive) at least for 6 months and resist buying as you may be a lot worse off than UK sellers are now. I got to say though that Oz give $7k rebate to first time buyers and no stamp duty, what does the UK government do? money grabbing gits who continue to undermine the hard workers of this country when most families are struggling, it's a bloody disgrace but the UK with all it's faults still is home and sometimes the grass isn't that green elsewhere and although theres a lot of people leaving, theres a lot cominig back, you just dont here about it in the media.

Welcome aboard the forum, an excellent post which sums up the feelings of homesickness etc very well, I have also been warning people who whimsically talk about emigrating, we are returning from "paradise" Caribbean later this year, we too miss the (cold) rain of the UK! Your advice to try before you buy is spot on - it might suit some folks, but they need a trial run before blowing all the cash