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#1 User is offline   laurejon 

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Posted 25 December 2004 - 08:27 PM

It is detailed in a report that in the next 20 years 1 in three households will be immigrants. Thats a third of the UK's entire property stock over just two decades. Now that has to have a marked affect on property rescources and will ensure that a houseprice crash is a thing of the past. Its just a shame that many FTB'er will have to compete with the new arrivals who have shown a much better ability at adapting to the situation of high property prices.

A former Home Office minister has called for an independent body to be set up to monitor UK immigration.
Barbara Roche said an organisation should monitor and publish figures and be independent of government.

She said this would counter "so-called independent" groups like Migration Watch, which she described as an anti-immigration body posing as independent.

Migration Watch says it is not against all immigration and the government already publishes accurate figures.

Sir Andrew Green, chairman of the organisation, says there is no need for an independent body because Office of National Statistics data are accurate.

He says he opposes large-scale immigration "both on the grounds of overcrowding and culture".

Migration Watch comes into this debate from an anti-immigration point of view

Barbara Roche
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He said: "For example, over the next 20 years one household in three will be due to immigration.

"We are already more overcrowded than India and we are four times more overcrowded than France."

Ms Roche, Labour MP for Hornsey and Wood Green, believes legal migration is something we should welcome.

She said her proposals mean "we wouldn't have so-called independent experts, like Migration Watch, who come into this debate from an anti-immigration point of view."

She went on: "What I would like to see is there being a body which actually looked at the figures, published them, and was independent of government.

"I think that would go a long way to allaying some of the fears that are sometimes whipped up during this debate."

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Posted 25 December 2004 - 10:17 PM

According to government statistics UK population will increase by about 10% to 65 million over the next 25 years.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/population/Story...,594319,00.html

The present net population growth rate is about 0.4% per year.

Although such an increase could have some small effect on housing in the long run I can't myself believe that this will have any effect on the coming house price crash.

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Posted 26 December 2004 - 12:08 AM

Immigrants coming to UK have no money to buy anything …especially a house …and 50% of their earnings they will send back to their families to support them. :)

You are wasting your time dreaming about houses going up. They are going down. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Posted 26 December 2004 - 12:15 AM

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Immigrants coming to UK have no money to buy anything …especially a house


Have you been to London recently?.

Or are you David Blunkett?.

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Posted 26 December 2004 - 12:35 AM

laurejon, on Dec 25 2004, 12:15 PM, said:

Have you been to London recently?.

Or are you David Blunkett?.
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No I am not D.B.
Russian mafia yes. They have money… a lot of money.
Young educated kids from Poland looking for new life, opportunities and money to help their families back in Poland, they will “not” spend any money on over inflated UK house prices. :P
They will rather buy a house in their own country. If we can do it, they can do it even cheaper. :lol: :lol: :lol:
They might settle in uk, but they are going to send their hard earning cash overseas.

It will take years for them to save for any deposit to buy a house here. B)
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Posted 26 December 2004 - 12:52 AM

laurejon, on Dec 25 2004, 08:27 AM, said:

It is detailed in a report that in the next 20 years 1 in three households will be immigrants.
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Sounds ******** to me.Let's see it then.

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Posted 26 December 2004 - 12:48 PM

Seems to me that 1 in 3 people are already illegal immigrants. Let's hope the mortgage people understand their dialect, because I haven't got a ****ing clue what language half of them are mumbling on in. Time to leave the country when 1 in 3 people aren't paying tax and can't speak English. Australia has the best idea - no tolerance.
2012 predictions:

1. China will have record growth on the back of a contracting EU.
2. Sterling will finish the year at $3 even after QE mk25 and 200trillion pounds of printing.
3. UK house prices will rise 25% as unemployment grows.

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Xurbia, on Dec 26 2004, 12:48 AM, said:

Seems to me that 1 in 3 people are already illegal immigrants. Let's hope the mortgage people understand their dialect, because I haven't got a ****ing clue what language half of them are mumbling on in. Time to leave the country when 1 in 3 people aren't paying tax and can't speak English. Australia has the best idea - no tolerance.
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You make me laugh Xurbia. You are talking about emigrating to Australia in the same breath as opposing immigration here. Both cannot be correct, can they?. Also about non-tolerance of Australia, this is the news item from Migration news, Australia: Non-tolerant! :P :P :P
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For the first time since the Howard Government came to power, migrants from Britain and Ireland have outstripped those from Southeast Asia.
Settlers from English-speaking nations accounted for almost half the 111,000 new migrants in Australia last year, compared with just 37 per cent when the Howard Government took office in March 1996. New Immigration Department figures reveal an extraordinary increase in the total number of migrants from Britain and Ireland settling in Australia in the past two years, with the numbers jumping from 8749 in 2001-02 to 18,272 in 2003-04. This compared with 16,799 migrants arriving last year from Southeast Asian nations, including Vietnam, The Philippines, Indonesia and Malaysia.

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Posted 26 December 2004 - 04:22 PM

Doubtful, on Dec 26 2004, 03:30 PM, said:

You make me laugh Xurbia. You are talking about emigrating to Australia in the same breath as opposing immigration here. Both cannot be correct, can they?. Also about non-tolerance of Australia, this is the news item from Migration news, Australia: Non-tolerant! :P  :P  :P
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For the first time since the Howard Government came to power, migrants from Britain and Ireland have outstripped those from Southeast Asia.
Settlers from English-speaking nations accounted for almost half the 111,000 new migrants in Australia last year, compared with just 37 per cent when the Howard Government took office in March 1996. New Immigration Department figures reveal an extraordinary increase in the total number of migrants from Britain and Ireland settling in Australia in the past two years, with the numbers jumping from 8749 in 2001-02 to 18,272 in 2003-04. This compared with 16,799 migrants arriving last year from Southeast Asian nations, including Vietnam, The Philippines, Indonesia and Malaysia.
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Funnily enough the two do go hand in hand! Why would any erudite middle-class tax-payer want to support a sinking ship of illiterate illegal immigrants? At least I will add value to the Auz economy if I decide to go there. Why do you think so many people are leaving this country along with all the equity from their houses?
2012 predictions:

1. China will have record growth on the back of a contracting EU.
2. Sterling will finish the year at $3 even after QE mk25 and 200trillion pounds of printing.
3. UK house prices will rise 25% as unemployment grows.

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Posted 26 December 2004 - 04:46 PM

It seems to me that our government are hell bent on ensuring England becomes the most densley populated and congested country on the planet. Absolute madness.

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Posted 26 December 2004 - 05:22 PM

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England becomes the most densley populated and congested country on the planet.



The UK is barely in the top 50 most densely populated countries in the world, with our pop. density of 244.69 persons/sq.km paling into insignificance beside Macau's 20,824.38 persons/sq km.

http://www.photius.com/wfb1999/rankings/po..._density_2.html
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Posted 26 December 2004 - 05:54 PM

zzg113, on Dec 26 2004, 05:22 PM, said:

The UK is barely in the top 50 most densely populated countries in the world, with our pop. density of 244.69 persons/sq.km paling into insignificance beside Macau's 20,824.38 persons/sq km.

http://www.photius.com/wfb1999/rankings/po..._density_2.html
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ENGLAND NOT THE UK. THERE IS A DIFFERANCE

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Posted 26 December 2004 - 06:20 PM

Visiting London is like going abroad to an alien land. I was really shocked at the change in the city since I last visited it in 1983. I believe that our self-serving politicians must have a very coloured perspective of what the larger bulk of England is like by working in that city. I for one have no wish to live in an England that they are attempting to engineer. This smug, comfortable and fattening government must be flung out at the general election or we will regret it at our leisure. These oxbridge educated career politicians seem to hold the bulk of the English population in the utmost contempt. Make them pay.

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Posted 26 December 2004 - 07:23 PM

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For the first time since the Howard Government came to power, migrants from Britain and Ireland have outstripped those from Southeast Asia.
Settlers from English-speaking nations accounted for almost half the 111,000 new migrants in Australia last year, compared with just 37 per cent when the Howard Government took office in March 1996. New Immigration Department figures reveal an extraordinary increase in the total number of migrants from Britain and Ireland settling in Australia in the past two years, with the numbers jumping from 8749 in 2001-02 to 18,272 in 2003-04. This compared with 16,799 migrants arriving last year from Southeast Asian nations, including Vietnam, The Philippines, Indonesia and Malaysia


The reasons behind their thinking are simple. I lived in Oz during 1998-2000 and there was much fuss about Pauline Hanson. She was labelled a racist as she exposed the failures of the Australian Immigration Service that had at that time positively discriminated against the British.

Several reports were published that clearly showed that the average immigrant other than British Citizens were costing the Australian Taxpayer $100,000 dollars for the first three years and then reducing. It was also identified that those of middle eastern origin had massive unemployment rates particularly those from the Lebanon. The Australians then questioned the validity of the entrance procedure and found that the so called skill in demand entrance system was easily abused. Many newcomers spoke no English whatsoever and did not possess the skills on their applications.

As a result of this the whole service of DIMA was tightened up and the points system strictly enforced. Take a look at the points system and now it can be seen that the points are stacked in favour of those who speak english mother toungue and have key skills. This has quite rightly excluded those that have come to sponge off the Australian Taxpayer.

The Australian System is the fairest system in the world and they go to great lenghts to accomadate true assylum seekers and eliminate illegal economic migrants who are not wanted.

In Australia a job can only be given to an Immigrant if that job cannot be done by an Australian. The job must be advertised and it must be shown that the job was offered on a local and national level first. It is illegal to import cheap labour to oust Australian Jobs.

Australia is a true multicultural society and is not riddled with namby pambys constantly holding up the race card. Everyone is given a fair go, and those that integrate are welcomed into the community. Those that come to stir up trouble find themselves in a detention centre and are quickly exported to their homeland without leave to appeal.

Australia is a truly fair example of how people can live together however it has not been acheived by using ridiculous laws such as Incitement to Racial Hatred. It has been acheived by the people for the people.

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Posted 27 December 2004 - 06:55 AM

Supply and demand pre 2004 (offical figures).
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Most projections for 2005 are above 250,000.
[b]Brainclamp's Forecasts
2003 - Stealth Mass immigration means you have no chance in the labour or property markets (in the face of economists calling for drops).
2004 - HPI will continue with mass immigration. Modern Day serfdom will eventually result with a population register, resulting in your labour, taxes, controlled and owned by an connected elite. Inequality and mobility will collapse - maybe worse than 100 years ago. http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_brit...icle2776936.ece
2005 - HPI will rise at least 10% as millions stream in.
2007 - Mass immigration will now result in rising crime levels will unfold as the labour market is mismatched. Property will get even more unaffordable (as credit is withdrawn from ordinary people).

The past and the future?
Society divided into landlords connected to the state and high paid state jobs, immense equity, and tenants labouring under a population register and ID cards, owned by the state and its minions.

332AD European Law Edict "Any person in whose possession a tenant that belongs to another is found not only shall restore the aforesaid tenant to his place of origin but also shall assume the ID card tax for this man for the time that he was with him. Tenants who meditate flight may be bound with chains and reduced to a servile condition and forced to work" (Constantine)

http://www.britannic...ssed-in-serfdom

ID cards bill approved by the house of commons / UK information commissioner uneasy about plans for a population register / 82 yr old pensoner manhandled, detained under anti-terror laws by Labour for shouting 'nonsense' / 1/14 of UK population in 'stealth' DNA Database
The Rise in Landlord Equity, Decline of Saving and the start of the dark ages

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