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#1 OnlyMe

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:48 PM

On all fronts too.

Shocked, for once. Background - software by the sounds of things, not PPE and lying for a job.


Edited by OnlyMe, 06 January 2013 - 10:48 PM.

"Asians make things and sell them to Americans, who borrow money from their suppliers (on the inflated value of their houses) in order to continue living beyond their means. Asians take their profits and either relend them to Americans...or use them to buy more productive capacity, in America and elsewhere.

For those who wonder where this trend will lead, we offer a guess: The average American will be left with a shoeshine kit and instructions on how to say 'please' and 'thank you' in Chinese...."

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:50 PM

On all fronts too.

Shocked, for once. Background - software by the sounds of things, not PPE and lying for a job.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AljEp0XDRvc



Do we have to listen to all of this or is there a succinct 30 second section? I can't take listening to politicians for longer than 30 seconds.
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The political triumph of the American Right has been to advance relentlessly the economic interests of the country's richest people, while emphasising a swath of moral, social and foreign policy issues that motivate and certainly distract middle-class and poor voters.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:52 PM

Do we have to listen to all of this or is there a succinct 30 second section? I can't take listening to politicians for longer than 30 seconds.



Have a listen, you may be surprised, covers too many elements to summarize, but he gets it.
"Asians make things and sell them to Americans, who borrow money from their suppliers (on the inflated value of their houses) in order to continue living beyond their means. Asians take their profits and either relend them to Americans...or use them to buy more productive capacity, in America and elsewhere.

For those who wonder where this trend will lead, we offer a guess: The average American will be left with a shoeshine kit and instructions on how to say 'please' and 'thank you' in Chinese...."

Bill Bonner.

Socialists want socialism for everyone else, but capitalism for themselves, while capitalists want capitalism for everyone else, but socialism for themselves.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:53 PM

Do we have to listen to all of this or is there a succinct 30 second section? I can't take listening to politicians for longer than 30 seconds.


Impatience is the devil within us. ;)
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In an interview,( on holiday in the exclusive Swiss ski resort of Davos ) the Liberal Democrat leader was asked whether he was in charge while the Prime Minister was away from Britain travelling in the Middle East. Sipping from a mug marked “Deputy Prime Minister,” he said: “Yeah, I suppose I am. I forgot about that.( Proves what a total berk he is )

Cameron must learn the basic rule in politics and life ( Put brain in gear before putting mouth in motion ) and Miliband with no direct British Lineage should dig a hole and disappear down it.

Is Nicholarse Elcleggski ( 25% British ) insane? Who, in their right mind would willingly appease the French and Germans?

In our Country today THE TRUTH MUST NEVER BE SPOKEN, I will leave you all with your very bleak future as I will be gone.

The Lib/Dems who over the years have supported the demise of the moral and accepted standards we were all brought up to respect. The party who would lead us the way of the Ancient Greek and Roman Empires. We can Add David Cameron and Ed Miliband as Leaders of their parties who are heading for the buffers

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:12 PM

Steve Baker does a lot for the Cobdon Centre. I've also seen him admit on video that he is an anarchist at heart.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:16 PM

His P45 is in the post

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:16 PM

Do we have to listen to all of this or is there a succinct 30 second section? I can't take listening to politicians for longer than 30 seconds.


It's definitely worth listening to.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:19 PM

Very good.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:22 PM

Wow - just, wow.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:25 PM

He's one of the few Tories I could bring myself to vote for.

Does seem a lot more switched on than his colleagues on the front bench.

Shame he went to the wrong school and so isn't allowed to sit next to them (most of the buggers should be sitting behind him).

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:25 PM

The man talks sense! Never thought I's hear all that from a politician!

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:33 PM

Here's his presentation at the 2011 Positive Money Conference:

http://www.positivem...n-money-reform/
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Imagine a society that recognizes for the first time its need for a universal medium of exchange.

Someone offers to run this new system, on condition that he alone issues the necessary tokens of exchange. He proposes to lend out the tokens for everyone else to use to conduct their business, but only if they pay him interest for this use.

Would you support his proposal or would you think he was trying to scam you? Why would you think that his tokens were better than anyone else's?

Should the medium of exchange be issued collectively and debt-free as a utility for productive enterprise and trade, or should it be lent into existence at interest by a privileged but essentially unproductive minority, as a cost to and as a drag on everyone else?


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#13 The Knimbies who say no

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:48 PM

Here's his presentation at the 2011 Positive Money Conference:

http://www.positivem...n-money-reform/


Excellent stuff, he comes across very well too. I presume Dave and George think he's a fruitcake.


Look out Dave, you will soon be handing the keys back mate.



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Knimby of No: We shall say "No" to you... if you do not appease us.
Arthur: Well what is it you want?
Knimby of No: We will allow you to build your precious high density shoeboxes, so long as you do not move so much as....

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 12:07 AM

He talks about doing away with central banks

Woodrow Wilson signed the 1913 Federal Reserve Act. A few years later he wrote: I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.

http://www.themoneym...ons-on-banking/


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If you say "Democorruptcy" quickly, it sounds a bit like "Democracy". In a "Democracy" people vote for politicians who represent their interests. In the UK's "Democorruptcy" people can only vote for expense fiddling thieving MPs who are in the hip pocket of big business and the finance sector.

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A "Governbankment" is a Government that has no line between itself and it's banks. The UK's Governbankment does policies to enrich bankers at the expense of the public. The more money people are encouraged to borrow, the more money bankers make.

The Funding for Lending Scheme (FLS) is stealing from savers to make them pay for crimes by bankers. Via lower interest on savings, all the bank fines for PPI, LIBOR and interest rates swaps are now being paid by savers so that bankers can keep pocketing bonuses.

"We need to make a really big change: from an economy built on debt to an economy built on savings" - David Camoron Jan 2009
"Printing money is the last resort of desperate governments when all other policies have failed" - George Osborne Jan 2009
- So what do Camoron & Osborne do? Print money and leave interest rates at 0.5% when inflation is over 5%

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 12:09 AM

Steve Baker (I think he's MP for High Wycombe), he's one of the few politicians I have respect for in the UK, along with Douglas Carswell (MP for Clacton-on-Sea), and Daniel Hannan (MEP for South East).

Mr. Carswell made a speech in the Commons regarding the problems of fractional reserve banking:

Douglas Carswell on Banking




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