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#1 SarahBell

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 09:26 AM

Please can we get our collective heads together and think of a better phrase to replace 'bedroom tax'.






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1 bed rents - 64.04, 67.25, 64.03, 80
2 bedroom 97.2, 98.08, 92, 81.85, 98.08
3 bedroom 99.8, 102.4, 102.2

So couple in 3 bedroom place that should only have 1 bedroom


From April 2013, if you live in council accommodation or other social housing and are assessed as having at least 1 extra bedroom in your house, your Housing Benefit could be reduced by:

14% if you have 1 extra bedroom
25% if you have 2 or more extra bedrooms

They'll only get about £75 in rent towards their HB and have to find the other £25 from their own money
But they'd still be getting more on average than the cost of a 1 bedroom property.
And if they can manage their money to pay for the extra bedrooms then they aren't forced to move - but some councils are offering that as an option.



And these exemptions:
https://www.gov.uk/h.../what-youll-get
Exception

If you’ve been getting Housing Benefit since before 7 April 2008, these limits only apply if you:

change address
have a break in your claim for Housing Benefit

mean some people won't be affected ...
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 09:56 AM

It is a handout reduction rather than a tax.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 09:59 AM

It's an under occupation charge but that's a bit of a mouthful so perhaps a bedroom offset?

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 10:23 AM

Is it only the amount of HB paid cut by 14% etc,or 14% of the rent.?

If it is the amount of housing benefit for instance someone who got half paid would lose £12.50,but if based on the rent itself £25.

So if they were paying £25 now towards the rent will they lose all that or only 14% of it,,anyone know?

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 10:55 AM

I think you'll find that the more expensive properties still only have 1 bedroom, but 3 reception rooms...

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 11:03 AM

From April 2013, if you live in council accommodation or other social housing and are assessed as having at least 1 extra bedroom in your house, your Housing Benefit could be reduced by:

14% if you have 1 extra bedroom
25% if you have 2 or more extra bedrooms


Why does the government always have to make things so complicated? Why not just reassess their needs and pay them the same rate that a new claimant would get?

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 11:29 AM

Please can we get our collective heads together and think of a better phrase to replace 'bedroom tax'.


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Posted 28 December 2012 - 12:29 PM

So they'll have to use some of the £300 a month they get from their lodger towards paying their rent. Diddums.
It's time to pay the piper. There is no magician who will magic away the debt. Someone is going to have to pay it. Bend over and prepare to make payment.

In this glorious nation of ours, if you work hard and keep your head down for 25 years then you too can aspire to own one-eighth of a one bedroom flat in Manchester.


My mum and day always tell me how important it is to save to buy a house. They should know, it took them nearly 6 months to save for theirs. As teenagers, they bought a 3 bed semi.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:04 PM

Is it only the amount of HB paid cut by 14% etc,or 14% of the rent.?

If it is the amount of housing benefit for instance someone who got half paid would lose £12.50,but if based on the rent itself £25.

So if they were paying £25 now towards the rent will they lose all that or only 14% of it,,anyone know?


Don't know. Sep thread for that point might attract someone who knows though.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 03:14 PM

Why does the government always have to make things so complicated? Why not just reassess their needs and pay them the same rate that a new claimant would get?

Why not require people to swap with tenants who need an extra bedroom? Give them reasonable notice - like 12 months - Pay for a bit of decorating if they are older folk. It hardly seems fair that someone in a 2 or 3 bedder who now lives alone or even with spouse, but no kids, can carry on ocupying a home indefinitely when a young couple with baby have to stay in a one bed place as there are no homes available. A council home/social housing, should not be for life and be open to review every 7 years or so. People who can afford to move into private rentals or buy should then do so on a one year notice.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:13 PM

It is a handout reduction rather than a tax.


Like the granny 'tax'.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 09:53 PM

HMM why didnt the mansion tax come about ?????? . Lets look at this for one moment , The Torys are using the oldest trick in the book " DIVIDE AND CONQUER " . The welfare state was set up for us all , and we are falling for the story that folk on Benefits are the well off . They arnt trust me i was unemployed and it was a nightmare , but if we beleive the torys there will be no safe guards for us when we lose our jobs .

THE BEDROOM TAX , it would be laughable if it wasnt so serious , Look at this way people , You have brought your family up in this house with good memorys , your kids have left home , there is no houses to down size to , and the torys are now punishing you for this .

Wouldnt it be great if they could be as vicious with the power companys and the bankers , the real benefit cheats along with the many MP`s that never went to jail . Spin doctors are great in politics , As they keep us in the dark and feed us shite , the problem is we are all eating it and turning on each other , rather than focusing our anger on them .

TO ANY LIB/DEM READING THIS GET OUT NOW BEFORE YOUR FINISHED IN POLITICS

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 10:22 PM

THE BEDROOM TAX , it would be laughable if it wasnt so serious , Look at this way people , You have brought your family up in this house with good memorys , your kids have left home , there is no houses to down size to , and the torys are now punishing you for this .


As things go that really doesn't sound that serious.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 11:24 PM

Like the granny 'tax'.


AKA eliminating age discrimination in the tax code.

Am I an evil person? The good things the coalition have done the media say are evil. The Pasty tax seems to be getting rid of a nonsensical non-inclusion, the granny tax seems to be introducing fairness into the tax code, HB reductions are a reduction to landlords, yet the media tells me these are terrible things.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 11:26 PM

HMM why didnt the mansion tax come about ?????? . Lets look at this for one moment , The Torys are using the oldest trick in the book " DIVIDE AND CONQUER " . The welfare state was set up for us all , and we are falling for the story that folk on Benefits are the well off . They arnt trust me i was unemployed and it was a nightmare , but if we beleive the torys there will be no safe guards for us when we lose our jobs .

THE BEDROOM TAX , it would be laughable if it wasnt so serious , Look at this way people , You have brought your family up in this house with good memorys , your kids have left home , there is no houses to down size to , and the torys are now punishing you for this .

Wouldnt it be great if they could be as vicious with the power companys and the bankers , the real benefit cheats along with the many MP`s that never went to jail . Spin doctors are great in politics , As they keep us in the dark and feed us shite , the problem is we are all eating it and turning on each other , rather than focusing our anger on them .

TO ANY LIB/DEM READING THIS GET OUT NOW BEFORE YOUR FINISHED IN POLITICS


Keep your shirt on, your not going to be tossed out of the old one until a home with less rooms is found.
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